Since there are so many liberal states that have cities, or the whole state itself, declared a sanctuary city/state, every illegal that is caught shouldn't be sent back to the country of origin- ship them to those sanctuary states and let them take care of them. Of course the flip side of that move would be for all federal money to stop flowing into states that refuse to enforce federal law. Let the states put their money where their liberal mouths are and let's see how long that lasts. Since they are so compassionate let them feed and house them.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostThat would be a huge expense and not solve the problem.
Build the wall, stop chain migration, stop lottery, enforce current immigration laws.
If you're already here illegally you're safe unless you violate any laws. You violate a law you booted out.
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Originally posted by Razrbk89 View PostProsecute and jail people who employ them. Problem solved.
No job market for them, no illegal immigration problem.
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Originally posted by Russ79 View PostSince there are so many liberal states that have cities, or the whole state itself, declared a sanctuary city/state, every illegal that is caught shouldn't be sent back to the country of origin- ship them to those sanctuary states and let them take care of them. Of course the flip side of that move would be for all federal money to stop flowing into states that refuse to enforce federal law. Let the states put their money where their liberal mouths are and let's see how long that lasts. Since they are so compassionate let them feed and house them.
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Originally posted by Razrbk89 View PostProsecute and jail people who employ them. Problem solved.
No job market for them, no illegal immigration problem.
I've said it before, as I have lived through it. The illegals ( native Mexicans) have filled a void in the workforce. Entitlements became way too easy to acquire, and going to work became not worth the effort. The government actually knows this, and that is exactly why nothing has been done about illegal immigration.Last edited by Ironman; 01-25-2018, 11:22 AM.
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Originally posted by Ironman View PostYou would simultaneously have to end entitlements in order to have a labor force. Who is going to actually do the work?
I've said it before, as I have lived through it. The illegals ( native Mexicans) have filled a void in the workforce. Entitlements became way too easy to acquire, and going to work became not worth the effort. The government actually knows this, and that is exactly why nothing has been done about illegal immigration.
To your second point. I'm not arguing that they don't. But If the government knows this and isn't going to do anything about illegal immigration....why would we want to waste more $$ on a wall and BP??? If we aren't going to crack down on the employers, there will always be the number of illegals here to fill that number of jobs. Might as well quit with the charades and wasting $$.
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Originally posted by Russ79 View PostSince there are so many liberal states that have cities, or the whole state itself, declared a sanctuary city/state, every illegal that is caught shouldn't be sent back to the country of origin- ship them to those sanctuary states and let them take care of them. Of course the flip side of that move would be for all federal money to stop flowing into states that refuse to enforce federal law. Let the states put their money where their liberal mouths are and let's see how long that lasts. Since they are so compassionate let them feed and house them.
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Originally posted by LWC View PostThe work will get done. Cost will go up for sure. But supply and demand dictate that there is a price point where the work gets done. I'm all for taking away/fixing entitlements to able bodied Americans that can work for their $$.
To your second point. I'm not arguing that they don't. But If the government knows this and isn't going to do anything about illegal immigration....why would we want to waste more $$ on a wall and BP??? If we aren't going to crack down on the employers, there will always be the number of illegals here to fill that number of jobs. Might as well quit with the charades and wasting $$.
Listen, back in the 70's and some of the 80's, most of your labor intensive trades were performed by black crews. Concrete, masonry, roofing etc. Who are the crews performing those trades now? Why is that? And to insist that people hire illegals in order to save on labor cost, is speaking from pure ignorance. That BS statement may hold true for a homeowner picking up day labor hanging around 7-eleven or Home Depot, but that is definitely not the case in the large scheme of things.
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I would also like to propose that any snowflake millennial that thinks Socialism or Communism is better than a representative Democracy, will be sent to what ever poop hole county practices the government of they think is best. I would also like to propose this for the gays and women in support of Sharia.
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Originally posted by Ironman View PostIf you look at the rise in entitlements, it is in direct correlation to illegal immigration. As I stated, there was a void filled. By simply stating that the work will get done, doesn't make it true.
Listen, back in the 70's and some of the 80's, most of your labor intensive trades were performed by black crews. Concrete, masonry, roofing etc. Who are the crews performing those trades now? Why is that? And to insist that people hire illegals in order to save on labor cost, is speaking from pure ignorance. That BS statement may hold true for a homeowner picking up day labor hanging around 7-eleven or Home Depot, but that is definitely not the case in the large scheme of things.
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Originally posted by LWC View PostI guess I don't understand your point. Do you think we need illegals or certain jobs will not get performed? Do you think our country should enforce our illegal immigration laws?
Of course immigration laws should be enforced. The major problem is, it's not NEAR as easy to get citizenship in this country as most people think. If you recall in, in one of these threads, there was an Immigration Officer that replied on the requirements of becoming a citizen. Basically, if you had a skill or expertise in certain fields, you could proceed through the process. Labor doesn't fall in that criteria. You are always attempting to get me to say that illegal immigration is ok. It is not! I'm simply stating what THE FACTS ACTUALLY ARE. Whether you like, or agree with the facts, I'm not sure, but the facts seem to elude most people.
Mike Rowe is pushing hard for younger people to learn trades. He ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS what the problem is, as far as the labor force and illegal immigration, in this country. Too many people push for the younger generation to go to college and get a degree. In times past, that meant a whole lot more than it does today. When "everyone" (sarcasm) has a degree, then what is a degree really worth? How many people with degrees are unemployed or unhappy, because they aren't getting paid what THEY think they are worth? I mean, go to college and get a degree, and you will make great money, right? Yeah? No, not necessarily.
How many kids go to trade school right out of high school these days? What about in the 70's and 80's. There is a direct correlation to the issue we have today, and to assume I'm ok with the way it is, is simply not true. But the truth is what it is.
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Originally posted by Ironman View PostThere's not a doubt in my mind that if you could somehow magically remove all illegals at one time, this countries economy would collapse.
Originally posted by Ironman View PostMike Rowe is pushing hard for younger people to learn trades. He ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS what the problem is, as far as the labor force and illegal immigration, in this country. Too many people push for the younger generation to go to college and get a degree. In times past, that meant a whole lot more than it does today. When "everyone" (sarcasm) has a degree, then what is a degree really worth? How many people with degrees are unemployed or unhappy, because they aren't getting paid what THEY think they are worth? I mean, go to college and get a degree, and you will make great money, right? Yeah? No, not necessarily.
How many kids go to trade school right out of high school these days? What about in the 70's and 80's. There is a direct correlation to the issue we have today, and to assume I'm ok with the way it is, is simply not true. But the truth is what it is.
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