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    RNC Delegate Counts and Primaries are for Show?

    Since this isnt directly from Trump's mouth, i am not saying he is in charge of the gentleman who is stating these actions are going to be taken. However, how does it affect Trump, and will he have to do damage control?



    Longtime Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is threatening to make public the hotel room numbers of Republican National Convention delegates who switch from Trump to another candidate.
    "We’re going to have protests, demonstrations. We will disclose the hotels and the room numbers of those delegates who are directly involved in the steal," Stone said Monday in a discussion with Stefan Molyneux on Freedomain Radio, as he alleged that Trump's opponents planned to deny the democratic will of Republican primary voters.
    "If you’re from Pennsylvania, we’ll tell you who the culprits are. We urge you to visit their hotel and find them. You have a right to discuss this, if you voted in the Pennsylvania primary, for example, and your votes are being disallowed," Stone said.
    Now, having said all of that, it appears that the rules are actually different for delegates than every news agency is reporting. This means the delegates can choose who they want per a delegate from ND. Read it, because it is really fascinating from a historical standpoint!



    In 1976, the Ford campaign, afraid of losing "pledged" delegates to Reagan
    forces and having the strength of delegate numbers needed, forced the
    adoption of the "Justice Resolution" which amended the convention rules to
    bind the delegates to cast their convention votes according to the results of
    binding primaries.
    This historic event was the first convention in the history of the Republican
    Party where the delegates were denied the freedom to vote as they wished in the
    nomination vote for President. And, 1976 was also the last time delegates have
    been bound by convention rules to cast their votes according to the results of
    binding primary elections, since the 1980 convention rescinded the Justice
    Resolution entirely restoring the prohibition of binding.
    So, if the delegates vote their conscience and Donald doesnt get their pledge, is it really someone stealing his votes? If Kasich ends up with the nomination after the first vote fails to produce a nominee, is the whole place going to melt down since he only won two states? If Cruz plays the rules better than the rest and gets the nomination, is everyone going to accept he was a better hustler than the Donald?

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    When a candidate does not get to 1237 it is the job of the delegates at the convention to do what they feel is in the best interest of the party in November's general election. There will be delegates who personally prefer a different candidate from the one they will be forced to support in the first vote. Most, but not all delegates become unbound after the first vote - some after the second. Remember that for the most part, these people are hard core grass roots activists within the party. Job one for them is to elect a nominee they think has the best chance of winning. Like it or not, that is how it works. Many may not like those rules, but as long as it's done within that structure, nobody is "stealing" the nomination. If it comes to that, it favors Cruz IMO. Unlike Mr Trump he and his people understand the process, have the ground game and have been preparing for this contingency for a long time.
    Last edited by jerp; 04-13-2016, 08:40 AM.

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      #3
      The main thing I don't understand is how individual people are able to "vote their conscience". Say what you want about rules being rules, but I don't see how that makes any sense. A fraction of a percent of each state's population decides what the entire state wants?

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        #4
        Originally posted by Ham Slammer View Post
        The main thing I don't understand is how individual people are able to "vote their conscience". Say what you want about rules being rules, but I don't see how that makes any sense. A fraction of a percent of each state's population decides what the entire state wants?
        If no candidate hits the number on the first vote, there has to be a mechanism to work it out by people changing their votes. "The candidate with the most primary votes wins" sounds simple but it is a problem in a large field of candidates. Mr. Trump has gotten the most votes but his percentage is only around 36%. That means an overwhelming majority - 64% - want someone else. The delegate system is designed to put success of the party first - to nominate who they think republicans and swing voters are most likely to rally around. If Mr. Trump could get a majority and not just a plurality they would have no choice but to nominate him.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ham Slammer View Post
          The main thing I don't understand is how individual people are able to "vote their conscience". Say what you want about rules being rules, but I don't see how that makes any sense. A fraction of a percent of each state's population decides what the entire state wants?
          thats the jist of it all. they, like our congress, are representative of the overall vote. if you dont vote, you dont have a count. heck, according to the rules, the delegates arent even bound by your vote to begin with.

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            #6
            Originally posted by Ham Slammer View Post
            The main thing I don't understand is how individual people are able to "vote their conscience". Say what you want about rules being rules, but I don't see how that makes any sense. A fraction of a percent of each state's population decides what the entire state wants?
            States have their own interests. These people are citizens of their state just like you and I and they are voted in by other citizens of their state to be their voice. This isn't some crazy conspiracy that some are making it out to be. They have been entrusted to speak for their precinct (not entire state). About as grass roots at the local level and of the people as you can get.

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              #7
              Originally posted by BuckRage View Post
              States have their own interests. These people are citizens of their state just like you and I and they are voted in by other citizens of their state to be their voice. This isn't some crazy conspiracy that some are making it out to be. They have been entrusted to speak for their precinct (not entire state). About as grass roots at the local level and of the people as you can get.
              Surely this can't be correct, this has to be a conspiracy to deny trumph the nomination....even though 99% of the voters love trumph.

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                #8
                Looking at the OPs post, it seems that Roger Stone is engaging in intimidation tactics and maybe even implying that violence be directed at any delegates ditching Trump in a second round of voting.

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                  #9
                  There are only about 115 delegates who can vote for whoever they want to on the first ballot. That is because they come from states with no primary or caucus. I think that a few are "bound" to a candidate through 2 or 3 votes but the vast majority can switch after the first vote. Much of the vote chaos will depend on how close Trump is to the 1,237 "magic number" at the start of the convention.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by grizzman View Post
                    Looking at the OPs post, it seems that Roger Stone is engaging in intimidation tactics and maybe even implying that violence be directed at any delegates ditching Trump in a second round of voting.
                    Roger Stone and his tactics may be popular with some fringe elements of Trump supporters but IMO he is not doing the campaign any favors with those kinds of threats and bullying. Team Trump would be wise to shut him up or at least publicly distance from him.

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                      #11
                      I believe trump is trying to put distance between them, but they are too close to be easily dismissed. Everyone knows who trump has whispering in his ear.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by jerp View Post
                        Roger Stone and his tactics may be popular with some fringe elements of Trump supporters but IMO he is not doing the campaign any favors with those kinds of threats and bullying. Team Trump would be wise to shut him up or at least publicly distance from him.
                        I dont think it will matter to any of trump's supporters that he is doing this. They haven't balked at anything he has said or done at this point.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Tommyh View Post
                          I dont think it will matter to any of trump's supporters that he is doing this. They haven't balked at anything he has said or done at this point.
                          True.

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                            #14
                            Will the Trump whining ever stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                            Just like many elections, if you don't get 50% there is a runoff. When someone gets 50+% they win. Not that complicated.

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                              #15
                              Originally posted by BrianL View Post
                              Will the Trump whining ever stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                              Just like many elections, if you don't get 50% there is a runoff. When someone gets 50+% they win. Not that complicated.
                              That's what I don't understand. Of no one gets to 1237 why not have a run off between the two top candidates? Seems a simpler and easier solution than these convention rules.

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