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Old 05-03-2019, 12:19 PM   #1
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I have always put all-terrain tires on my trucks, but I’m thinking about mud tires for the next set. A good 95% of my driving is on-pavement, but the places I hunt get real muddy. I would very much like some better traction on the ranch roads. I’m not concerned about road noise. But I have heard your traction on wet pavement suffers with mud tires. How noticeable is it, as compared to all-terrains? Enough to be dangerous at high speed during Texas downpours? Anything else to consider?

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Old 05-03-2019, 12:22 PM   #2
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High speed and downpour is a recipe for disaster.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:27 PM   #3
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They will grab puddles hard, be ready if driving in heavy rain.

My current set seem to be getting slippery in wet conditions, weren't like that when I first got them. They don't have that many miles on them and plenty of tread, maybe 15k-20k miles. Dunno if it's brand or less rubber touching the road. I'm going back to BFG AT's on my next set.
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Old 05-03-2019, 12:37 PM   #4
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Mud tires on wet pavement is dicey. I’ve got them on my Wrangler which is old enough to not have ABS and I have to be extremely careful. Won’t get on the highway with it in the rain.
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It depends on the tire, the siping across the tread is what gives you traction on wet pavement. Big smooth lugs are horrible on wet and icy roads.
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I've had two sets of 35 x 12.5 nitto trail grapplers and I thought they did pretty well on wet pavement
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They will grab puddles hard, be ready if driving in heavy rain.

My current set seem to be getting slippery in wet conditions, weren't like that when I first got them. They don't have that many miles on them and plenty of tread, maybe 15k-20k miles. Dunno if it's brand or less rubber touching the road. I'm going back to BFG AT's on my next set.
I do have to mention we just got back from Spring Break trip to Wyoming where the "Bomb Cyclone" hit. We drove on ice up to 70mph (following a crazy local) for several hours heading out to find open water to fish. So they must not be TOO slippery. Had a truck right next to me towing a heavy camper break loose and form a V right next to us, that was creepy.
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My nitto ridge grapplers do well, not quite a full mud tire, but they do pretty good in mud
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I’ve got mud tires currently and haven’t noticed any difference on wet pavement. That being said, I never travel fast on wet pavement or during rain. I’m all about running fast other times, but will not do it when it’s wet or raining
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:27 PM   #11
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I have the Goodyear Duratrac mud tires and you can definitely notice the difference driving in rain. Not so much at high speed but when making a turn at a stop sign I have to really lay off the gas or the back tires will spin in the curve.
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I have never had an issue running mud tires in the rain. Most will let the water out and have less risk of hydroplaning.
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Old 05-03-2019, 01:48 PM   #13
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I have bfg mud terrains on my wrangler and as previously mentioned from other posts I'm very careful on wet pavement (whether is a downpour or just wet). I do notice a difference in traction on wet or dry roads. But in the end I still like the mud tires on my jeep.
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Old 05-03-2019, 02:01 PM   #14
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I am northwest of San Antonio, we don’t get rain enough to worry about it
And everyone else is going slower also
BFG M/T on my duramax BFG A/T on the 1500 , both seem the same
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Find you a middle of the road tire like a Nitto Ridge Grappler or Toyo RT. Not as aggressive as a full mid tire but more aggressive than an all terrain.

If you have a vehicle with a good amount of power mud tires will easily lose traction on pavement.




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In addition to the traction issue, mud tires on pavement are NOISY too... That constant roaring would drive me nutz in short order, plus the more they wear, the LOUDER they get...
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Just slow down....do you want a mud tire or all terrain? Maybe let your wife drive you to the lease.
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I have the Nitto Trail Grapplers on my Wrangler and have never had a problem.
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I have always put all-terrain tires on my trucks, but Iím thinking about mud tires for the next set. A good 95% of my driving is on-pavement, but the places I hunt get real muddy. I would very much like some better traction on the ranch roads. Iím not concerned about road noise. But I have heard your traction on wet pavement suffers with mud tires. How noticeable is it, as compared to all-terrains? Enough to be dangerous at high speed during Texas downpours? Anything else to consider?

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My nitto ridge grapplers do well, not quite a full mud tire, but they do pretty good in mud
I second this. They've been the best off road tire I've run so far. And I've tried a lot. They held up longer and they ride noticeably smoother and quieter.
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Old 05-03-2019, 04:32 PM   #21
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Iíve always wanted a set of mud terrain tires, but didnít want to deal with the road noise. Bought a new truck in December and drove it straight to the tire shop and had a set of Nitto Trail Grapplers put on it. After a week I didnít even notice the noise and I havenít had any problem in wet road conditions. I drive like an old man though. Only thing Iíve noticed is that they will road walk a little.

2Ē leveling kit, and MT tires sure will change the look of your truck too. Drove out today to fill up some feeders after 6Ē of rain and didnít have any problems. They make a huge difference compared to A/T tires in the mud.


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In addition to the traction issue, mud tires on pavement are NOISY too... That constant roaring would drive me nutz in short order, plus the more they wear, the LOUDER they get...
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I’ve always wanted a set of mud terrain tires, but didn’t want to deal with the road noise. Bought a new truck in December and drove it straight to the tire shop and had a set of Nitto Trail Grapplers put on it. After a week I didn’t even notice the noise and I haven’t had any problem in wet road conditions. I drive like an old man though. Only thing I’ve noticed is that they will road walk a little.

2” leveling kit, and MT tires sure will change the look of your truck too. Drove out today to fill up some feeders after 6” of rain and didn’t have any problems. They make a huge difference compared to A/T tires in the mud.


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I've been an AT guy all my life and I am sick and tired of my diesel crew dogging it in the mud around the lease. If I want to hunt and it rains, I want to hunt. That heavy 7.3 acts like a plow with ATs so I told myself they next set with be a set of more aggressive tires although I'd like to find something between AT and true mud tires. I'm not real worried about too much noise as the diesel is already pretty loud. I also want something that will last longer that 30K miles. Currently run Cooper ATs and we are getting close to replacement time.



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Mileage was another concern. I talked to a guy that runs the same tire I got and he told me that he kept his last set rotated every 5K miles and got almost 50K out of them. I wasnít expecting that much, but I guess Iíll find out in about another year.



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I have had mud tires of one brand or another on my 02 F350 4X4, most of the 260,000 miles that are on it. It started off with POS Firestone garbage street tires, those were horrible on any wet surface, carpet grass pavement, concrete, mud. I then tried to put BFG Mud Terrains but the dealer put all terrains, it sucked in mud. I was really ****** off when they put the all terrains on the truck and tried to tell me that's what I asked for, it was case of that's what they wanted for their truck and decided that's what I needed for my truck. But those eventually got worn out and replaced with some BFG Mud Terrains, life was much better.

On my F350 I really don't notice any traction problems on pavement, wet or dry, but I have not had any good street tires on the truck since I have owned it. I can tell you that all of the mud tires I have had on the truck have about 90% better traction on wet roads than the factory Firestone tires had, those things were extremely dangerous. I had the truck completely sideways many times on highways at highway speeds, upwards of 75 mph, with those POS Firestones. I have not had that problem since I put the BFG all terrains on the truck.

I can tell you that around 30 years ago, when I had my 78 Bronco, I put BFG Mud Terrains on it, that's all that truck ever had from the day I got it. But there were some roads in Corpus, that the truck had close to zero traction on, with those mud terrains, they look virtually the same as the last BFG mud terrains, before they stopped making them. My 89 F350 4X4 had BFG Mud Terrains on it, I really never noticed traction problems with it on wet roads. Most of my trucks have been Ford 4X4s multiple 70s truck, then the one 89 F350, now a 02 F350. The only 2wd truck I have ever owned was my 93 Lightning, it had Firestones from the factory, that were worn out it about 15,000 miles, but they had traction for those 15,000 miles. They got replaced with some BFG tire, that was the only company at the time that made that size tire, other than Firestone, nobody wanted to pay Firestones prices for tire that would wear out quickly. That truck had fairly wide street tires of two types that were both pretty good on wet roads, but could hydroplane if the water was deep enough. That truck then my 02 F350 are the only two trucks that I have driven with anything other than mud tires. So I may not be able to give you the best answer on how mud tires compare to other tires. I don't have any problems with them. I prefer my F350 with mud tires in a heavy down pour over one of my Mustangs in heavy rain. I know the Mustangs with wide tires will hydroplane easily, if the rain does not stand on the road making small lakes, the Mustang does not have a problem, but if the water is 2" deep or so and you are going 70 mph, you will hydroplane. I just push in the clutch and don't touch the brakes. I won't drive the Mustang in water deeper than about 5", if I don't know how deep it is, I don't go through it. I don't remember ever getting having either of my F350s hydroplane, I know I have been through some deep water with them on highways, country roads. I have had to drive my current F350 through some water about 3' deep a few times to make it home when it flooded.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:21 PM   #26
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Mileage was another concern. I talked to a guy that runs the same tire I got and he told me that he kept his last set rotated every 5K miles and got almost 50K out of them. I wasnít expecting that much, but I guess Iíll find out in about another year.



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Nice.... was looking at the Hankook DynaPro MTs as well.
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Old 05-03-2019, 06:26 PM   #27
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they will grab puddles hard and yes, pavement traction is worse than with an AT in my experience.
Trade off seems to be less susceptibility to hydroplaning.
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I have had mud tires of one brand or another on my 02 F350 4X4, most of the 260,000 miles that are on it. It started off with POS Firestone garbage street tires, those were horrible on any wet surface, carpet grass pavement, concrete, mud. I then tried to put BFG Mud Terrains but the dealer put all terrains, it sucked in mud. I was really ****** off when they put the all terrains on the truck and tried to tell me that's what I asked for, it was case of that's what they wanted for their truck and decided that's what I needed for my truck. But those eventually got worn out and replaced with some BFG Mud Terrains, life was much better.

On my F350 I really don't notice any traction problems on pavement, wet or dry, but I have not had any good street tires on the truck since I have owned it. I can tell you that all of the mud tires I have had on the truck have about 90% better traction on wet roads than the factory Firestone tires had, those things were extremely dangerous. I had the truck completely sideways many times on highways at highway speeds, upwards of 75 mph, with those POS Firestones. I have not had that problem since I put the BFG all terrains on the truck.

I can tell you that around 30 years ago, when I had my 78 Bronco, I put BFG Mud Terrains on it, that's all that truck ever had from the day I got it. But there were some roads in Corpus, that the truck had close to zero traction on, with those mud terrains, they look virtually the same as the last BFG mud terrains, before they stopped making them. My 89 F350 4X4 had BFG Mud Terrains on it, I really never noticed traction problems with it on wet roads. Most of my trucks have been Ford 4X4s multiple 70s truck, then the one 89 F350, now a 02 F350. The only 2wd truck I have ever owned was my 93 Lightning, it had Firestones from the factory, that were worn out it about 15,000 miles, but they had traction for those 15,000 miles. They got replaced with some BFG tire, that was the only company at the time that made that size tire, other than Firestone, nobody wanted to pay Firestones prices for tire that would wear out quickly. That truck had fairly wide street tires of two types that were both pretty good on wet roads, but could hydroplane if the water was deep enough. That truck then my 02 F350 are the only two trucks that I have driven with anything other than mud tires. So I may not be able to give you the best answer on how mud tires compare to other tires. I don't have any problems with them. I prefer my F350 with mud tires in a heavy down pour over one of my Mustangs in heavy rain. I know the Mustangs with wide tires will hydroplane easily, if the rain does not stand on the road making small lakes, the Mustang does not have a problem, but if the water is 2" deep or so and you are going 70 mph, you will hydroplane. I just push in the clutch and don't touch the brakes. I won't drive the Mustang in water deeper than about 5", if I don't know how deep it is, I don't go through it. I don't remember ever getting having either of my F350s hydroplane, I know I have been through some deep water with them on highways, country roads. I have had to drive my current F350 through some water about 3' deep a few times to make it home when it flooded.



So the MTs make your truck a whole different truck in mud even with that plow heavy of a 7.3? I have run ATs on my 2001 F350 SRWfor its entire life. I drove those cheap *** stock Firestones straight from the lot to Discount Tire and bought Cooper ATs. I've never jumped off into MTs but I'm tired of them limiting me in that diesel dog when they get a little wear on them. I've never been stuck but I have been **** close....and the stretch from our camp to the front gate is the worst. Tired of worrying on a Sat night down pour if I'm going to get to the gate... Currently running Cooper ATPs

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Why not buy tires that are best for the majority of the driving you do? You do 95% of driving on pavement so buy tires that are great on pavement.

If you have to have a set of tires for the rare occasion when you get off pavement buy a set of wheels with mud tires and run them during hunting season.
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Why not buy tires that are best for the majority of the driving you do? You do 95% of driving on pavement so buy tires that are great on pavement.

If you have to have a set of tires for the rare occasion when you get off pavement buy a set of wheels with mud tires and run them during hunting season.



I've done that for years...with that theory I technically should be driving a 2WD truck or even a rice burner car too.


I'm getting closer to 75-25 on that percentage...more if you deduct the 5 hours too and from to get to my deer lease from the pavement driving since technically I am on my way hunting. Plus not having mud tires is cutting into my local river bottom pig hunting here close to home....
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In addition to the traction issue, mud tires on pavement are NOISY too... That constant roaring would drive me nutz in short order, plus the more they wear, the LOUDER they get...


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I've done that for years...with that theory I technically should be driving a 2WD truck or even a rice burner car too.


I'm getting closer to 75-25 on that percentage...more if you deduct the 5 hours too and from to get to my deer lease from the pavement driving since technically I am on my way hunting. Plus not having mud tires is cutting into my local river bottom pig hunting here close to home....
I personally handle it by having multiple vehicles. My work car gets 37 mpg on cheap gasoline. Tires, brakes, and everything else on the car is super cheap.

When I need it, I drive my 4 door, 4wd 3/4 ton diesel pickup. Keeps the mileage down on it and puts the wear and tear on the cheap car.
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Mileage was another concern. I talked to a guy that runs the same tire I got and he told me that he kept his last set rotated every 5K miles and got almost 50K out of them. I wasn’t expecting that much, but I guess I’ll find out in about another year.



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I got 80k out of a set on a half ton chevy. Still had plenty tread when I swapped them out. I couldn't wear them out, but the rubber got hard and it started riding rough.

Great tires by the way.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:50 PM   #34
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I had Trail Grapplers on a Z71 Chevy and they sucked in the rain.


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I run **** cepek extreme country on my dually GMC 3500, but I only put maybe 5,000 a year on them. They are loud but I have not have had a problem in rain. Then again I am not a fast or in a hurry driver.


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Never had an issue with mud tires in the rain
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I got 80k out of a set on a half ton chevy. Still had plenty tread when I swapped them out. I couldn't wear them out, but the rubber got hard and it started riding rough.

Great tires by the way.


Iíve got them on a half ton Chevy. Iíll be happy if I get 50K+ out of them. Next set will be just like them.


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Mud tires and pavement? Might be the first time Iíve ever heard those words in the same sentence. Thanks TBH.
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I switched from BFG all terrains to Toyo open country MT's on my 7.3. Smooth, not very noisy and light years ahead in the mud. Haven't had any issues with wet pavement.
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I think the moral of the story is to not drive fast in the rain, regardless of the tires on the vehicle
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I have the Goodyear Duratrac mud tires and you can definitely notice the difference driving in rain. Not so much at high speed but when making a turn at a stop sign I have to really lay off the gas or the back tires will spin in the curve.
I have the same tires and have never noticed that. I have a really short drive to work so maybe Iíve just been lucky.
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Old 05-03-2019, 11:51 PM   #42
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Cooper STT pros on mine. Handle water very well. They can handle down pours on Davy Crockett roads haha


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Old 05-04-2019, 12:24 AM   #43
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I forgot my suburban had Kelly safari on them and they were great on both wet roads and muddy stuff
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Old 05-04-2019, 06:38 AM   #44
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Nice.... was looking at the Hankook DynaPro MTs as well.
I have these on a 99 F250. I don’t drive it much so the tires have held up good so far. They seem to be good in the mud but at 70mph towing a camper, they’re a bit noisy. But at 20 years old the truck is hardly sound proof. *** Quoted the wrong one. I was referring to the Nittos

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Old 11-19-2019, 07:08 AM   #45
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Is anyone running the BFGoodrich Mud-Terrain T/Aģ KM3 tires ? These replaced the previous KM2 MT tires and I think they are vastly different from the well respected KM2's

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Old 11-19-2019, 07:23 AM   #46
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So the MTs make your truck a whole different truck in mud even with that plow heavy of a 7.3? I have run ATs on my 2001 F350 SRWfor its entire life. I drove those cheap *** stock Firestones straight from the lot to Discount Tire and bought Cooper ATs. I've never jumped off into MTs but I'm tired of them limiting me in that diesel dog when they get a little wear on them. I've never been stuck but I have been **** close....and the stretch from our camp to the front gate is the worst. Tired of worrying on a Sat night down pour if I'm going to get to the gate... Currently running Cooper ATPs
Get the M/Tís. I use to run them on my Cummins and it sure helped on dirt roads. In a nasty pasture it would bury itself with or without the mud grips.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:29 AM   #47
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Mud tires are terrible on wet roads. I wrapped a truck around a tree doing 45 in a curve due to no traction on the pavement. Had lots of fishtails also when hitting water puddles.
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:34 AM   #48
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I second this. They've been the best off road tire I've run so far. And I've tried a lot. They held up longer and they ride noticeably smoother and quieter.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:09 AM   #49
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I got about 10K on these on a dodge 2500. I'm impressed.
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Old 11-19-2019, 08:43 AM   #50
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Mine grip hard through puddles. Have to watch speed
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