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Old 09-16-2012, 01:29 PM   #1
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Exclamation Bad Winchester Super X shotgun ammo

Excited for finally getting to hunt doves in what has seemed like FOREVER , I went to Academy and bought a case of Winchester Super X, 1oz, 12 gauge shells. I haven't shot anything but buckshot or slugs in the last 15+ years (high brass), and saw the new (brass) nickle plated junk only went about a 5/16 of an inch up the plastic, I was skeptical .

Then I went hunting, and every so often, the new shells wouldn't eject from my shell friendly Remington 870 Express magnum? WTH? I thought maybe my gun needed cleaning? So after the first morning I gave her a good cleaning and oiling. That evening,,, no change , about every 4th or 5th shot I had to force the pump down with extreme effort. I've been trying to shoot this crap for about 3 weeks and I'm getting more and more frustrated. So I bought a 100 pack of Federal 1.25 oz and they worked flawlessly.

Now I have 6 boxes of Winchester crap loads and I'm wondering what to do? Most stores won't take ammo back, and after about an hour and a half of trying to find out anything on Winchester's web site, I'm just shy of digging a hole and burying this junk and writing this off as lesson 1437, in my logbook of mistakes learned in my life. Anyone have any ideas?
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:42 PM   #2
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Sale them to someone who can use them.Or trade them for ammo that you can use.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:48 PM   #3
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Sell them to someone who shoots an O/U.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:49 PM   #4
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Exact same problem with exact same gun last two weekends. I had a case I had bought a while back, had three boxes left before the problem showed up.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:49 PM   #5
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I like Winchester rifle ammo but steer clear of their shotgun shells. I've had some of the same issues you mentioned, went to Remington or Federal shotgun shells and no issues at all.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:52 PM   #6
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Sell them to someone who shoots an O/U.
My thoughts exactly!

Some Winchester rifle Ammo is pretty good!
But I've never had any luck what so ever with there shotgun ammo wether it be steel or lead.
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Old 09-16-2012, 01:54 PM   #7
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I don't believe it's the gun, because I forgot to mention, this last weekend hunt. I gave my cousin a couple of boxes to shoot to see what happened. He shoots an older Hi Point 12 gauge. his problems were worse. Anyone have an O/U that wants to buy/trade to help me out near the metromess is welcome to give me a shout. Thanks for the responses.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:00 PM   #8
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I don't believe it's the gun, because I forgot to mention, this last weekend hunt. I gave my cousin a couple of boxes to shoot to see what happened. He shoots an older Hi Point 12 gauge. his problems were worse. Anyone have an O/U that wants to buy/trade to help me out near the metromess is welcome to give me a shout. Thanks for the responses.
I had to take my barrel off at one point. I put an unfired shell in the barrell and hung it upside down. I had to shake it pretty good to get it to fall out. An unfired remington shell would slip right in and out.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:05 PM   #9
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Get some Rio brand shells. Very good shotshell.
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:28 PM   #10
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I don't believe it's the gun, because I forgot to mention, this last weekend hunt. I gave my cousin a couple of boxes to shoot to see what happened. He shoots an older Hi Point 12 gauge. his problems were worse. Anyone have an O/U that wants to buy/trade to help me out near the metromess is welcome to give me a shout. Thanks for the responses.


I had the same problem with my 870 with low brass shells. How much you want for the boxes you have left?
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:36 PM   #11
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Its because it the the aluminum case and it expands. Just stick with Remington Heavy Dove and you will be fine!
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Old 09-16-2012, 02:57 PM   #12
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It's a common problem with the 870's bore, it's just a little too small. The aluminum expands and locks itself into it and usually you have to wait till it cools down before you can eject it, and sometimes that doesn't even work. I can't tell you how many 870's I've shot that have this same problem the super mags are the worst, and it seems to occurs on newer model 870's (2007 and up)

Fixed my brothers by getting a dremel and polishing the bore with a mirror finish compound. Other guns this method hasn't worked so it requires steel wool or something with more grit to it.

You can look up videos or on other forums for more info or just shoot brass cased shells and you wont have the problem. You should also call Remington and see if they can do anything about it.

It's definitely the gun not the ammo. You shouldn't be limited to certain types of ammo for any gun. That's just poor engineering and quality control.

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Old 09-16-2012, 03:05 PM   #13
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I've shot about 8 cases of it through my beretta 390 with only 2 problems. Maybe you got a bad batch or your bore needs attention but I'll be sticking with it.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:09 PM   #14
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:17 PM   #15
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #16
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While Winchester Super X is cheap ammo I have never had an issue shooting it or with it ejecting.

BTW, the low brass is normal for light dove and clay loads.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:25 PM   #17
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My 870 won't shoot Winchester or Federal but my 1100 will shoot them fine.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:31 PM   #18
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My buddy and I both shoot 870's and have had the exact same problem. There is nothing more frustrating then buying a new gun and being limited to certain types of ammo. I will never buy another Remington shot gun again because of this. We even took ours into their recommended repair shop and they just blamed it on the ammo and would not do anything about it.
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Old 09-16-2012, 03:32 PM   #19
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It's the gun, not the ammo.
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #20
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BTA, what shot size is it? What do you want for the 6 boxes?
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Old 09-16-2012, 04:54 PM   #21
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My o/u is very picky like a semi auto. I have to buy the better shells or it won't even break over or eject the shells.
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Old 09-16-2012, 05:09 PM   #22
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I've shot about 8 cases of it through my beretta 390 with only 2 problems. Maybe you got a bad batch or your bore needs attention but I'll be sticking with it.
The beretta has chrome lined barrels and chamber. Not much will stick in them. Been a well known problem in Remington 870's. Not the guns fault but sometimes polishing the first half inch or so of the chamber will help. I've done it using Flitz polishing paste and it helped.
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:14 PM   #23
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Old 09-16-2012, 06:16 PM   #24
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Junk man, aggie spoke first but your second in line if he doesn't want them.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:06 PM   #25
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just let me know, I am in Flower Mound.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:20 PM   #26
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I've had 870s and also my current 1100 won't shoot the Win super X if they are the sucky 7/8 or 1 oz loads. I never go below 1-1/8 oz anymore. Never had a prob with the Rem sure shots 1-1/8 oz 7-1/2s at academy, they are $60 a case ad I also use the Rios in the same oz and shot size when I can find them. They are usually the same price as the Rems. They are blue shelled so they are easier to find most times when you have to pick up hulls.
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It's the gun, not the ammo.
... It's the cheap ammo.
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:33 PM   #28
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... It's the cheap ammo.
I've shot thousands...yea thousands of these no problems. Bought a new 870 a few years ago that wouldn't pump low, or high brass for any brand. And the chamber cut out was too small to eject most 3 1/2 shells...and it was a MAG..


Remington 870's aint the battle axe wingmasters of old and aint no shell what they used tobe
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Old 09-16-2012, 09:45 PM   #29
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rio's. nuff said.
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I've shot thousands...yea thousands of these no problems. Bought a new 870 a few years ago that wouldn't pump low, or high brass for any brand. And the chamber cut out was too small to eject most 3 1/2 shells...and it was a MAG..


Remington 870's aint the battle axe wingmasters of old and aint no shell what they used tobe
I'll agree with you on the 870 subject, I haven't shot any new ones but when academy can sell them for $299 today, they gotta be getting cheap. I remember the mags having a prob with the small eject port, friend of mine had one that did that. I couldn't get over the metal sliding tab on the receiver to close the hole when it was forward. Guess they couldn't figure out how to make a longer receiver fit in there so they just put in a standard size one and jerry rigged that little cover on there. As for the low oz loads, you and other people that have good luck with them must have just bought that special shotgun that will eat anything you put in it. My 1100 is 15 yrs old and I've shot them out of older family guns (1100s, 11-87s and 870s, 20s and 12s) and no good luck. So its prob a Remington thing for one and its not just the new ones. Even had friends in college whose benellis and Brownings wouldn't cycle them either so that's why I've always considered them crap. They may be good for occasional shooters and anyone who has the gun to shoot them but I'll always pay the extra $10/case or so to make sure I don't have any boo-boos when it counts.
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Well at least I feel a little better after hearing all the stories. Shells are sold pending funds . Thanks for all the responses. Maybe the wife will consider letting me get a new shotgun?,,,next year. Oh and the Federal 1 1/8 oz shells at Wallyworld are a good deal,,, 100 rounds for $23. And they shoot good too.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:02 PM   #32
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Need to run a bore hone or back bore cutter through it n open her up a little more, has worked several times for me, no more problems will even work with them rusted up pretty bad
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My 870 super mag does the same thing. I have had the ejector pin replaced after I broke it slamming it on the ground trying to eject shells. Now half the time it doesn't fire no matter what shells. I will never buy another Remington I got crappy customer service and a POS shotgun.
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Old 09-16-2012, 11:59 PM   #34
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Not the ammo....might not be the best, but I shoot it in a Winchester Defender pump, Mossberg 535 pump, and two Turkish over/unders...no problems. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to hear their gun isn't cutting the mustard. Sorry folks.
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Not the ammo....might not be the best, but I shoot it in a Winchester Defender pump, Mossberg 535 pump, and two Turkish over/unders...no problems. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to hear their gun isn't cutting the mustard. Sorry folks.
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Not the ammo....might not be the best, but I shoot it in a Winchester Defender pump, Mossberg 535 pump, and two Turkish over/unders...no problems. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to hear their gun isn't cutting the mustard. Sorry folks.
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Not the ammo....might not be the best, but I shoot it in a Winchester Defender pump, Mossberg 535 pump, and two Turkish over/unders...no problems. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to hear their gun isn't cutting the mustard. Sorry folks.
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Not the ammo....might not be the best, but I shoot it in a Winchester Defender pump, Mossberg 535 pump, and two Turkish over/unders...no problems. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, wants to hear their gun isn't cutting the mustard. Sorry folks.
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:00 PM   #39
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HainesNYT, guess you wanted to make sure your point got across by posting 5 times. j/k
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Old 09-17-2012, 12:21 PM   #40
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so was it the ammo?

Just kidding, my nova eats em up. They kill dove when someone else is shooting at them with my gun. But when i shoot it I blame the ammo cause the dove just keep on flying. They cycle fine in my nova, they just bounce off the dove or something.
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