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Old 11-04-2018, 06:42 PM   #1
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I am not against high fencing by any means, but i want to hear peoples "management thoughts" on high fencing 160 acres?

Back story....our neighbor did this and brought about 20 axis in as well. My opinion is 160 acres is not enough to high fence, not enough to prevent eventual inbreeding, and it is like shooting fish in a barrel. Again, just my opinion and i would like to hear others thoughts. Not complaining, cause it is his place, but don't understand.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:43 PM   #2
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Yes 160 acres is small but it’s his place so good for him.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:44 PM   #3
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It’s your neighbors business so I wouldn’t worry to much about. Maybe he will let you hunt sometime or maybe some will escape on your property.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:45 PM   #4
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I wish I could high fence 160 acres. Man U could grow some big deer that way
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:47 PM   #5
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Itís your neighbors business so I wouldnít worry to much about. Maybe he will let you hunt sometime or maybe some will escape on your property.
Funny thing is, we have free ranging axis on our place also. Im not worrying about my neighbor, he is a great guy. I am wanting opinions on what others think of doing that to 160 acres
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:48 PM   #6
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I know a guy working on his fence and it’s only 60-65ac.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:48 PM   #7
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He probably had bad neighbors and had to fence them out
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:49 PM   #8
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I fealmif he manages it right and doesn’t over stock it.... it’s a great idea for family and friends to enjoy some great hunting and action
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:50 PM   #9
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If the guy wants to build a pen it's his business.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:51 PM   #10
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Really going to have to watch the population, or the feed bill is going to be through the roof.

160 would be a bit on the small side, but if there’s enough cover it wouldn’t be bad.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:53 PM   #11
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I manage 165 HF Acres. By no means a hunting operation. 45 acres on North side of road and 120 on the South side. Mainly enjoyment of seeing the exotics. We have 1 buck and 5 doe of each species. Axis, Blackbuck, Fallow, Whitetail, Oryx. Our plan is to dart and sell whatever is needed and shoot 3-4 a year for freezer. I will dart each buck the first couple years and rotate North/South side. Buy other bucks every 2-3 yrs. Not everyone's cup of tea but the owner enjoys the place and I have a great time enjoying my job!
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:55 PM   #12
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Better than a beer lease with a bunch of guys killing every 3 year old 10. I think he has a great idea for his family.
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:56 PM   #13
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How does it affect you?
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:56 PM   #14
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Really going to have to watch the population, or the feed bill is going to be through the roof.

160 would be a bit on the small side, but if thereís enough cover it wouldnít be bad.
Thank you so much for your OPINION. That is exactly what i was asking for. I am not interested in the "it's his business so why care" statements cause that was not what i was asking. Good man TactialCowboy
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Old 11-04-2018, 06:57 PM   #15
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I work on a small I fence ranch 150 acres. The way it lays out and the cover it has it feels bigger. It only has a whitetail. We heavily manage it and only shoot a a select number of deer. It’s fun to hunt and not as easy as you think to find deer. Mostly native bucks with a few south Texas does. We grow so great deer. I personally don’t like to hunt it. But I sell the hunts and find a lot of people that enjoy this style of hunting.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:01 PM   #16
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Just sounds like a over size breeding pen. Selling surplus exotics brings in good money. I have seen people hunt 25 acre high fences stocked with exotics. I have also spent all day chasing exotics around small 5-100 acre places trying to get a dart in them sometimes its not easy. If he hunts it good for him he owns it. Meat is meat. Either a beef plant is going to knock it in the head or I am going to.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:02 PM   #17
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I would if I could.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:23 PM   #18
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It's hard to catch a chicken on a half acre
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:26 PM   #19
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His land...he can do whatever is legal with it.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:31 PM   #20
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We live on 149acres and the first chance I get I will high fence. Been feeding for a decade protein and corn starting to have good number of deer and some good bucks. All the neighbors starting to divide up properties smaller acreage 10, 15 acre deals. Shooting anything that walks. Very disappointing after all theses years. I could sell and we could move but why..? High fence and let us shoot a couple deer a year and enjoy. JMO.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:35 PM   #21
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Man, oh man. It was pretty plain from a few posts in that he's not bitching about his neighbor. Everybody has an opinion, so here's your chance to let us know what you think about fencing 160 acres. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it ain't his business what his neighbor does, and it's plain to him also.

So to answer your question OP, I think 160 acres would have to be intensely managed whether by hunting or selling.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:37 PM   #22
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Man, oh man. It was pretty plain from a few posts in that he's not bitching about his neighbor. Everybody has an opinion, so here's your chance to let us know what you think about fencing 160 acres. I'm pretty sure everyone knows it ain't his business what his neighbor does, and it's plain to him also.

So to answer your question OP, I think 160 acres would have to be intensely managed whether by hunting or selling.
Thanks Drycreek. I agree with you and we will see how it turns out for him.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:37 PM   #23
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Trapped deer in a big trap that can’t get out. Hunting? No.
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Old 11-04-2018, 07:42 PM   #24
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Trapped deer in a big trap that canít get out. Hunting? No.
Doesn't strike me as a seller from what i know of him, but def a hunter. Like i mentioned, great guy just hope it works out for him
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:01 PM   #25
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Be a big dmp pen, if it's for family and friends it would be great. Stay realistic on carrying capacity and add supplemental feed to help carry more critters you could have a fun property.
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:10 PM   #26
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We have 150 acres HF with exotics and we absolutely love it and I'm sure your neighbor will to. We sell live deer and shoot a few to keep the numbers down. It's fun to let family and friends come over and shoot a few as well as the kids. Sure is nice anytime we want some fresh meat to walk out the back door and shoot an axis doe
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:13 PM   #27
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I think it could be pretty sweet, especially for bowhunting. Could have plenty of opportunities and if it did get a little overpopulated he could sell a few hunts cheap to offset his feed costs.
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:21 PM   #28
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Two partners and I have 195 acres. I would love to high fence it. Plenty of cover, only water source around and our neighbors have a brown and down attitude. I think there are really good reasons to high fence.

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Old 11-04-2018, 08:28 PM   #29
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I manage 165 HF Acres. By no means a hunting operation. 45 acres on North side of road and 120 on the South side. Mainly enjoyment of seeing the exotics. We have 1 buck and 5 doe of each species. Axis, Blackbuck, Fallow, Whitetail, Oryx. Our plan is to dart and sell whatever is needed and shoot 3-4 a year for freezer. I will dart each buck the first couple years and rotate North/South side. Buy other bucks every 2-3 yrs. Not everyone's cup of tea but the owner enjoys the place and I have a great time enjoying my job!


Something like this would be fun on 160 acres if taken care of properly. Yeah it's a little small but it would be a great place to get family and friends out to hunt a little bit, BBQ, see some animals you don't normally see, have a good time etc. I wouldn't go out bragging about some big buck I shot off there but the experience could be awesome for young hunters or people just getting into it


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Old 11-04-2018, 08:34 PM   #30
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He probably had bad neighbors and had to fence them out
Hahaha.

I have a deer right now I would like to put in a one acre high fence.
Only way he could survive the neighbors. Baby 14 point.

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Old 11-04-2018, 08:38 PM   #31
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Hahaha.

I have a deer right now I would like to put in a one acre high fence.
Only way he could survive the neighbors. Baby 14 point.

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He is the kind of guy always coming up with new ideas he thinks are going to just be great..... Only about 40% of the time do his ideas work, but it is fun to watch I wont lie
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:48 PM   #32
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His land and his money. It's really not any of our business. If I could afford to high fence my property I would do it.
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Old 11-04-2018, 08:57 PM   #33
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This is the great thing about owning your own place.

I only have to ask one person if she wants to high fence our 140, and the fence goes up

We probably won't high fence our place unless it becomes necessary due to hunting pressure, but if we add a 100 or so acres, it's a definite possibility.

The truly great thing about a high fence is that the top half can come right back down if you decide to on down the line.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:25 AM   #34
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Something like this would be fun on 160 acres if taken care of properly. Yeah it's a little small but it would be a great place to get family and friends out to hunt a little bit, BBQ, see some animals you don't normally see, have a good time etc. I wouldn't go out bragging about some big buck I shot off there but the experience could be awesome for young hunters or people just getting into it


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Exactly what it's for. Family, Friends and only reason for hunting is because I told him it will have to be done. His son can learn a lot from it. Majority will be sold which can turn into a decent side gig to cover feed cost.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:41 AM   #35
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Heard that neighbor got rich in the mining business.

Mining his own business.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:07 AM   #36
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We hunt a large piece of property in leon county and I would have killed for 160 acre high fence after how little we saw this weekend. Slowest opener I can remember.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:34 AM   #37
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If he wants to prevent inbreeding, he could always install a trap door to allow deer in but not out!
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:01 AM   #38
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Seems like you would get bored seeing the same animals daily......for ever.
But I guess if a guy cares more about growing stuff than hunting stuff its ok
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:11 AM   #39
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I have an opinion...and that is that it isn't any of my business

now what?

I don't think I would HF that small amount of acreage, but more power to him. I bet he doesn't give a hoot what I would do tho
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:20 AM   #40
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I have a friend who owns 200ac with his cousin. It has been high-fenced, all hogs/javelina removed, and white-tailed deer only (no exotics). Unfortunately, the browse line is decimated and very little to nothing of edible vegetation left to eat except the alfalfa and protein that is being fed. And this is just by a population of about 40-50 deer.

They have breeding pens on another ranch and release select bucks to be hunted every once in a while. Not the greatest set up, but it works for hunters looking for a quick, guaranteed trophy.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:21 AM   #41
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Seems like you would get bored seeing the same animals daily......for ever.
But I guess if a guy cares more about growing stuff than hunting stuff its ok
Yep. I know a guy with a small place. about 400 thick acres. Every buck has a name, and he knows where each one hangs out. Chang-a-lang some corn, and they come running. He loves it.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:54 AM   #42
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You bet, I'll give you my opinion, and it's a strong one. On 160 acres, it is not possible to carry a breeding population of cervids with a developed-enough age structure for hunting without causing habitat damage. Absolute best case scenario, the most number of animals you'd want on that acreage without causing habitat damage would be 16 animals (5ish bucks, 6ish does, and 5ish fawns). But, very few habitats in the state can sustain 10 acres per deer for any length of time (again, without an associated vegetative species composition change). More likely, you'd want to carry somewhere around 5-8 animals.

Of course, countless properties are intentionally and artificially sustaining high densities of animals with feed, which, in my opinion (which is what you asked for) is irresponsible, selfish, and contradicts the most basic concept of land stewardship. Classic example of entitlement and greed at it's worst. Wildlife species should never be dependent on someone to feed them. Morals and values (and some would argue the responsibility of land ownership) has degraded to the point that "I'm going to do what I want because I can, regardless of the effects" mentality is not commonplace. True land stewards are now pretty rare.

Plus, there is the ethical question of hunting confined/trapped deer. Where is the fun/enjoyment in killing an animal that you know that you can find any time you want to. The argument that "well I've got 2 acres and there are deer out there that we've never seen" is a ridiculous one. If you can't find a particular deer on 160 acres in few day's time, you either shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun unsupervised, or you're one of the worst habitat managers in the state. Period.

I've never understood the pretext of 'hunting' something confined on small acreage. It'd be a lot more simple to just tie a bunch of deer to trees and let the guy walk around and pick the one he wants. The only reason to go through the 'hunting' motion is to stoke the 'hunter's' ego so that they feel a sense of accomplishment where absolutely none is warranted. This is nothing more than simple bloodlust, the desire to just kill something, in disguise so that the hunter doesn't appear to have psychopathic tendencies when describing the hunt to others.

The addition of exotics is another lengthy argument that also goes back to greed, ego, lack of land stewardship, etc. Why anyone would intentionally sustain non-native animals at the expense of native plant and wildlife species is beyond me, especially under the guise of "wildlife management".

Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:58 AM   #43
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IMHO that is too small.....but I would hunt it if he let me.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:04 AM   #44
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You bet, I'll give you my opinion, and it's a strong one. On 160 acres, it is not possible to carry a breeding population of cervids with a developed-enough age structure for hunting without causing habitat damage. Absolute best case scenario, the most number of animals you'd want on that acreage without causing habitat damage would be 16 animals (5ish bucks, 6ish does, and 5ish fawns). But, very few habitats in the state can sustain 10 acres per deer for any length of time (again, without an associated vegetative species composition change). More likely, you'd want to carry somewhere around 5-8 animals.

Of course, countless properties are intentionally and artificially sustaining high densities of animals with feed, which, in my opinion (which is what you asked for) is irresponsible, selfish, and contradicts the most basic concept of land stewardship. Classic example of entitlement and greed at it's worst. Wildlife species should never be dependent on someone to feed them. Morals and values (and some would argue the responsibility of land ownership) has degraded to the point that "I'm going to do what I want because I can, regardless of the effects" mentality is not commonplace. True land stewards are now pretty rare.

Plus, there is the ethical question of hunting confined/trapped deer. Where is the fun/enjoyment in killing an animal that you know that you can find any time you want to. The argument that "well I've got 2 acres and there are deer out there that we've never seen" is a ridiculous one. If you can't find a particular deer on 160 acres in few day's time, you either shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun unsupervised, or you're one of the worst habitat managers in the state. Period.

I've never understood the pretext of 'hunting' something confined on small acreage. It'd be a lot more simple to just tie a bunch of deer to trees and let the guy walk around and pick the one he wants. The only reason to go through the 'hunting' motion is to stoke the 'hunter's' ego so that they feel a sense of accomplishment where absolutely none is warranted. This is nothing more than simple bloodlust, the desire to just kill something, in disguise so that the hunter doesn't appear to have psychopathic tendencies when describing the hunt to others.

The addition of exotics is another lengthy argument that also goes back to greed, ego, lack of land stewardship, etc. Why anyone would intentionally sustain non-native animals at the expense of native plant and wildlife species is beyond me, especially under the guise of "wildlife management".

Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
Haha. Deep breath!
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You bet, I'll give you my opinion, and it's a strong one. On 160 acres, it is not possible to carry a breeding population of cervids with a developed-enough age structure for hunting without causing habitat damage. Absolute best case scenario, the most number of animals you'd want on that acreage without causing habitat damage would be 16 animals (5ish bucks, 6ish does, and 5ish fawns). But, very few habitats in the state can sustain 10 acres per deer for any length of time (again, without an associated vegetative species composition change). More likely, you'd want to carry somewhere around 5-8 animals.

Of course, countless properties are intentionally and artificially sustaining high densities of animals with feed, which, in my opinion (which is what you asked for) is irresponsible, selfish, and contradicts the most basic concept of land stewardship. Classic example of entitlement and greed at it's worst. Wildlife species should never be dependent on someone to feed them. Morals and values (and some would argue the responsibility of land ownership) has degraded to the point that "I'm going to do what I want because I can, regardless of the effects" mentality is not commonplace. True land stewards are now pretty rare.

Plus, there is the ethical question of hunting confined/trapped deer. Where is the fun/enjoyment in killing an animal that you know that you can find any time you want to. The argument that "well I've got 2 acres and there are deer out there that we've never seen" is a ridiculous one. If you can't find a particular deer on 160 acres in few day's time, you either shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun unsupervised, or you're one of the worst habitat managers in the state. Period.

I've never understood the pretext of 'hunting' something confined on small acreage. It'd be a lot more simple to just tie a bunch of deer to trees and let the guy walk around and pick the one he wants. The only reason to go through the 'hunting' motion is to stoke the 'hunter's' ego so that they feel a sense of accomplishment where absolutely none is warranted. This is nothing more than simple bloodlust, the desire to just kill something, in disguise so that the hunter doesn't appear to have psychopathic tendencies when describing the hunt to others.

The addition of exotics is another lengthy argument that also goes back to greed, ego, lack of land stewardship, etc. Why anyone would intentionally sustain non-native animals at the expense of native plant and wildlife species is beyond me, especially under the guise of "wildlife management".

Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
How big is the property you own?
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Haha. Deep breath!
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:25 AM   #47
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You bet, I'll give you my opinion, and it's a strong one. On 160 acres, it is not possible to carry a breeding population of cervids with a developed-enough age structure for hunting without causing habitat damage. Absolute best case scenario, the most number of animals you'd want on that acreage without causing habitat damage would be 16 animals (5ish bucks, 6ish does, and 5ish fawns). But, very few habitats in the state can sustain 10 acres per deer for any length of time (again, without an associated vegetative species composition change). More likely, you'd want to carry somewhere around 5-8 animals.

Of course, countless properties are intentionally and artificially sustaining high densities of animals with feed, which, in my opinion (which is what you asked for) is irresponsible, selfish, and contradicts the most basic concept of land stewardship. Classic example of entitlement and greed at it's worst. Wildlife species should never be dependent on someone to feed them. Morals and values (and some would argue the responsibility of land ownership) has degraded to the point that "I'm going to do what I want because I can, regardless of the effects" mentality is not commonplace. True land stewards are now pretty rare.

Plus, there is the ethical question of hunting confined/trapped deer. Where is the fun/enjoyment in killing an animal that you know that you can find any time you want to. The argument that "well I've got 2 acres and there are deer out there that we've never seen" is a ridiculous one. If you can't find a particular deer on 160 acres in few day's time, you either shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun unsupervised, or you're one of the worst habitat managers in the state. Period.

I've never understood the pretext of 'hunting' something confined on small acreage. It'd be a lot more simple to just tie a bunch of deer to trees and let the guy walk around and pick the one he wants. The only reason to go through the 'hunting' motion is to stoke the 'hunter's' ego so that they feel a sense of accomplishment where absolutely none is warranted. This is nothing more than simple bloodlust, the desire to just kill something, in disguise so that the hunter doesn't appear to have psychopathic tendencies when describing the hunt to others.

The addition of exotics is another lengthy argument that also goes back to greed, ego, lack of land stewardship, etc. Why anyone would intentionally sustain non-native animals at the expense of native plant and wildlife species is beyond me, especially under the guise of "wildlife management".

Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
Definitely hit that nail on the head .
Just got back from CO, and we have become a joke, to people that really hunt.
Personally I would rather hunt 10,000 acres and never see anything, as opposed to hunting 160, and killing a 200" deer every year.
Now days though, people think a few 100 acres, is big woods. Hell, I'm sure people get lost nowadays on 150 acres HF
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:29 AM   #48
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You bet, I'll give you my opinion, and it's a strong one. On 160 acres, it is not possible to carry a breeding population of cervids with a developed-enough age structure for hunting without causing habitat damage. Absolute best case scenario, the most number of animals you'd want on that acreage without causing habitat damage would be 16 animals (5ish bucks, 6ish does, and 5ish fawns). But, very few habitats in the state can sustain 10 acres per deer for any length of time (again, without an associated vegetative species composition change). More likely, you'd want to carry somewhere around 5-8 animals.

Of course, countless properties are intentionally and artificially sustaining high densities of animals with feed, which, in my opinion (which is what you asked for) is irresponsible, selfish, and contradicts the most basic concept of land stewardship. Classic example of entitlement and greed at it's worst. Wildlife species should never be dependent on someone to feed them. Morals and values (and some would argue the responsibility of land ownership) has degraded to the point that "I'm going to do what I want because I can, regardless of the effects" mentality is not commonplace. True land stewards are now pretty rare.

Plus, there is the ethical question of hunting confined/trapped deer. Where is the fun/enjoyment in killing an animal that you know that you can find any time you want to. The argument that "well I've got 2 acres and there are deer out there that we've never seen" is a ridiculous one. If you can't find a particular deer on 160 acres in few day's time, you either shouldn't be allowed to carry a gun unsupervised, or you're one of the worst habitat managers in the state. Period.

I've never understood the pretext of 'hunting' something confined on small acreage. It'd be a lot more simple to just tie a bunch of deer to trees and let the guy walk around and pick the one he wants. The only reason to go through the 'hunting' motion is to stoke the 'hunter's' ego so that they feel a sense of accomplishment where absolutely none is warranted. This is nothing more than simple bloodlust, the desire to just kill something, in disguise so that the hunter doesn't appear to have psychopathic tendencies when describing the hunt to others.

The addition of exotics is another lengthy argument that also goes back to greed, ego, lack of land stewardship, etc. Why anyone would intentionally sustain non-native animals at the expense of native plant and wildlife species is beyond me, especially under the guise of "wildlife management".

Times have definitely changed, and not for the better.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:40 AM   #49
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frickn disgrace ....like shooting fish in a bowl.
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:42 AM   #50
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Pause from popcorn, the place I hunt on my family owns, 340 acres. I lease two other family owned properties to hunters. Personally, a place the size of 340 I wouldn’t high fence because of breeding issues and because I am of the mindset that deer are wild native animals and should not be restricted in movement. I enjoy scouting, being surprised at what
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