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Old 07-25-2017, 01:53 PM   #151
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Trump should be running all over capitol hill bullying, threatening, and cajoling the hell out of congress to fix healthcare. He bragged about being the worlds greatest deal maker, but I've yet to see it.

If they fail to get ANY healthcare bill through, he'll have lost all his momentum already.
Yep. Every time he tweets about some ridiculous and meaningless thing he loses a little more momentum. The political establishment is not going to do the right thing on its own. He's playing right into their hands by continuing his self-absorbed obsession with having everybody worship him.
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Old 07-25-2017, 05:09 PM   #152
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If Trump would stop freaking out in childish Twitter rants about things that don't matter at all, he'd have a lot fewer enemies on the (R) side. He's so narcissistic in his obsessive need to be worshipped that he can't stay focused on what actually matters. Throwing his first and biggest loyalist (Sessions) under the bus in such a childish way lately is ruining his chances of getting anybody else to be loyal to him. Sessions gave up everything to help Trump get elected, and now look what it's gotten him. Trump is trashing Sessions for being weak on Hillary AFTER Trump already said that he didn't want to prosecute Hillary after all - which was after a campaign promise to lock her up.

Which version of Trump is a guy supposed to be loyal to? And how is a guy supposed to know when it's time to switch and be loyal to the other version of Trump?

Tillerson is now talking about resigning soon, and I'm sure most people who would be really good to have in cabinet positions are going to be less and less inclined to sign up to work in that crazy environment.

Gorsuch was a huge win. Props to Trump for that. But he's shot himself in the foot on every other promise. Yes, there are RINOs in Congress that are huge obstacles. But the way Trump has handled the Obamacare issue has made it worse. He campaigned on repealing Obamacare, but replacing it with something that was essentially the same thing. He worked with Paul Ryan and the RINOs to do just that at first. He demonized the conservatives who actually wanted to repeal Obamacare and get away from a big government health insurance system. Now he's tweeting about how we need to do exactly what the conservatives wanted to do all along and repeal Obamacare and then work on the replacement after that. It's no wonder the Republicans in Congress are in such disarray. It's impossible to keep up with which way is the leadership wind is blowing from day to day.

And what about all the regulations that we're supposed to be getting rid of that could be done through executive orders and government agencies in the Executive Branch simply changing them? NOTHING being done. Most of the agencies are still staffed with Obama era people, because the White House won't approve anybody for appointment to those positions unless they feel like the person being nominated is a big enough Trump worshipper. So the result is that Obama's people continue to either run most things or remain in positions that allow them to keep any change from being implemented.

All the craziness and obsession over things that don't matter is frustrating. We need some action and leadership and consistency and focus.
While I accepted Trump's victory and wish for nothing but trampling success over the Socialists, this sort or come-apart is why I could not vote for him. I still hope he pulls it together and crams a good one up the bung hole of our political and National enemies and does right by our Country. We have time. After the last 8 years of the Narcissist in Chief, I still hold out hope.
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Old 07-25-2017, 08:27 PM   #153
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While I accepted Trump's victory and wish for nothing but trampling success over the Socialists, this sort or come-apart is why I could not vote for him. I still hope he pulls it together and crams a good one up the bung hole of our political and National enemies and does right by our Country. We have time. After the last 8 years of the Narcissist in Chief, I still hold out hope.
Yes sir. Getting Gorsuch is already more success than I expected, and I'm happy about that. But other than that, it's all been pretty much what I expected he'd be. I'm still hoping for more success. I'd love to see him put an end to all the nonsense and just get down to business.

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Old 07-25-2017, 08:37 PM   #154
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Sessions has done nothing so far. Here's a theory:
Sessions is weak
Trump says Tweet to **** of Sessions so he quits
Trump hires new AG that'll actually do his job & get a bunch of dem's thrown in prison
America wins
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Sessions has done nothing so far. Here's a theory:
Sessions is weak
Trump says Tweet to **** of Sessions so he quits
Trump hires new AG that'll actually do his job & get a bunch of dem's thrown in prison
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I like your theory; hope it's true.
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Old 07-25-2017, 09:00 PM   #156
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Sessions has done nothing so far. Here's a theory:
Sessions is weak
Trump says Tweet to **** of Sessions so he quits
Trump hires new AG that'll actually do his job & get a bunch of dem's thrown in prison
America wins
Yes/no?
That's not what's going on. Sessions isn't weak at all. He was the only major Republican to support Trump at first. He gave up his powerful position in the Senate for Trump, because he believed Trump would build the wall and be tough on illegal immigration and all the other stuff. And Sessions hasn't pursued Hillary because Trump said at the beginning of his presidency that he didn't want to hurt the Clintons and he wasn't going to investigate them after all.

What's going on is Trump wants to fire the special prosecutor, Mueller. Mueller was hired by Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General that Trump appointed to serve under Sessions. Rosenstein is the guy that wrote the memo that gave Trump a reason to fire James Comey. When Sessions had to recuse himself in the Russia investigation, leadership fell to Rosenstein. Since Rosenstein was the guy that wrote the memo that said Comey should be fired when Comey started the Russia investigation, he isn't going to turn around and fire the special prosecutor that he hired to be the impartial investigator into the matter.

But Trump wants Mueller gone. His best chance of seeing that happen is to throw Sessions under the bus, nominate somebody who will carry Trump's water on anything and everything to be the new Attorney General and then somehow get that person confirmed by the Senate. Then that new AG will take charge and fire Mueller. That's what Trump is trying to do. He probably won't be able to get it done, because it just looks too fishy. It's making him look guilty of something. Maybe he isn't, but it makes him look guilty.

He should have fired Comey on day 1, before any Russia investigation or anything else was going on. Comey was terrible and an obvious hack for Obama and Hillary and the Democrats. He should have been gone immediately. And even after Trump missed that opportunity, he should have ignored all the Russia stuff and just stayed focused on getting things done. The more he whines and complains about the investigation stuff, the more guilty he looks and the more energy the investigation takes on. He's pretty much brought it on himself. The Democrats are gonna sling mud 24/7/365. He should ignore it and work proactively on doing all the stuff he said he'd do. If he had more successes like Gorsuch under his belt while ignoring the Russia mess, he'd be way ahead and the Russia stuff would lose steam.

But it's looking more and more like there's something there that he's hiding. The other day when he warned Mueller to NOT investigate his family's finances pertaining to Russia, he really screwed up again. That was just like somebody who hid something in the closet say, "Whatever you do, do NOT open that closet door!". Duh! The next day, Mueller started investigating his finances. They're probably going to find something that is really embarrassing at best, if not downright bad. The more Trump tweets and whines, the more guilty he looks, and the longer and broader the investigation will become....and the less momentum Trump will have to get positive things accomplished.

We may end up with President Pence before it's over. Hopefully not, as that whole process would all but guarantee Democrat victories in the next election or three. It'd be way better if Trump would somehow be able to focus on the right stuff and get this Russia mess put to bed. It's not looking promising for that to happen right now though.

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Sessions is milk toast weak sauce. Get him out of there and lets continue to watch all these slimeball politicians and media types squirm in their seats.

Not Hillary is President guys. Thats a good thing. Dont believe all the hype. Sessions has been a horrible AG.

Either pushing the war on MJ or increasing civil asset forfeiture power of the federal govt alone is enough to send him packing.


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That's not what's going on. Sessions isn't weak at all. He was the only major Republican to support Trump at first. He gave up his powerful position in the Senate for Trump, because he believed Trump would build the wall and be tough on illegal immigration and all the other stuff. And Sessions hasn't pursued Hillary because Trump said at the beginning of his presidency that he didn't want to hurt the Clintons and he wasn't going to investigate them after all.

What's going on is Trump wants to fire the special prosecutor, Mueller. Mueller was hired by Rod Rosenstein, the Deputy Attorney General that Trump appointed to serve under Sessions. Rosenstein is the guy that wrote the memo that gave Trump a reason to fire James Comey. When Sessions had to recuse himself in the Russia investigation, leadership fell to Rosenstein. Since Rosenstein was the guy that wrote the memo that said Comey should be fired when Comey started the Russia investigation, he isn't going to turn around and fire the special prosecutor that he hired to be the impartial investigator into the matter.

But Trump wants Mueller gone. His best chance of seeing that happen is to throw Sessions under the bus, nominate somebody who will carry Trump's water on anything and everything to be the new Attorney General and then somehow get that person confirmed by the Senate. Then that new AG will take charge and fire Mueller. That's what Trump is trying to do. He probably won't be able to get it done, because it just looks too fishy. It's making him look guilty of something. Maybe he isn't, but it makes him look guilty.




Agreed!
Do you not realize you just said what I said in my theory but yours was the long, drawn out version?
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Sessions was a great senator but doesn't have the fight in him to be a great AG. Trump needs a ball busting, serial arsonist streetfighter in the AG role, not an elder statesman. Cruz would be ideal if he would take the job.
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I don't see lyin' Ted taking the AG job. He's got more sense than that.
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Agreed!
Do you not realize you just said what I said in my theory but yours was the long, drawn out version?
Trump doesn't want to fire Sessions so he can nominate a new AG to prosecute Democrats. Trump wants to find a way to get rid of the special prosecutor that's investigating him.
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Sessions was a great senator but doesn't have the fight in him to be a great AG. Trump needs a ball busting, serial arsonist streetfighter in the AG role, not an elder statesman. Cruz would be ideal if he would take the job.
You should have called trump and told him this before he made that Sessions pick.
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Trump doesn't want to fire Sessions so he can nominate a new AG to prosecute Democrats. Trump wants to find a way to get rid of the special prosecutor that's investigating him.
But why would he not want to get rid of that guy? He is a political hack the same as Comey loyal to the Clintons and Obamas. The money trail has been proven over and over again. The guy isn't investigating anything, he is on a witch hunt to discredit.
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Sessions screwed Trump and on purpose as he as aligned himself with his crony politician friends. He recuses himself leaving acting AG Andrew McCabe in charge of appointing a prosecutor over Trump. This is the same guy who's wife took 700K USD for her campaign form the Clintons and didn't disclose and is supposed to be under criminal investigation for such. Now its oh poor Jeff Sessions, come on. Sessions stood out of the way on purpose so that they could attempt to take Trump down. I will now insert the cliché of I didn't support Trump in the primaries but every time I see some career corrupt POS politician trying to destroy the POTUS its a personal attack to me and it should be to all of you. They are showing that they don't care about the Constitution or a democratically held election. They are in charge and you all are sheep that can die and suffer for all they care as long as they get that sweet taste of power and money. Wake up.
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But why would he not want to get rid of that guy? He is a political hack the same as Comey loyal to the Clintons and Obamas. The money trail has been proven over and over again. The guy isn't investigating anything, he is on a witch hunt to discredit.
I'm not a fan of Mueller's or the whole Russia investigation mess. I'm just saying that Trump made mistakes that contributed toward creating the mess, and now he's flailing about trying to make it go away - and it isn't working.

I'm pretty disgusted with all but about 4 or 5 people in Washington, D.C.. They all SUCK. None of them care a lick about doing what's right for the country. The federal government, at every level, has way too much power. It's clear now that we can't fix it by electing different people and sending them there. The whole system has been corrupted beyond repair. The best fix is the Convention of States effort to amend the Constitution in order for the states and the citizens to take the power back and put some serious limits on federal government power.
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I'm not a fan of Mueller's or the whole Russia investigation mess. I'm just saying that Trump made mistakes that contributed toward creating the mess, and now he's flailing about trying to make it go away - and it isn't working.

I'm pretty disgusted with all but about 4 or 5 people in Washington, D.C.. They all SUCK. None of them care a lick about doing what's right for the country. The federal government, at every level, has way too much power. It's clear now that we can't fix it by electing different people and sending them there. The whole system has been corrupted beyond repair. The best fix is the Convention of States effort to amend the Constitution in order for the states and the citizens to take the power back and put some serious limits on federal government power.
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I'm not a fan of Mueller's or the whole Russia investigation mess. I'm just saying that Trump made mistakes that contributed toward creating the mess, and now he's flailing about trying to make it go away - and it isn't working.

I'm pretty disgusted with all but about 4 or 5 people in Washington, D.C.. They all SUCK. None of them care a lick about doing what's right for the country. The federal government, at every level, has way too much power. It's clear now that we can't fix it by electing different people and sending them there. The whole system has been corrupted beyond repair. The best fix is the Convention of States effort to amend the Constitution in order for the states and the citizens to take the power back and put some serious limits on federal government power.
It's been 6 months. We knew this was going to be a ruckus, that's why he was elected. Give it some time. One guy getting road blocks thrown at him every day by the people he promised to oust isn't exactly proof it isn't working. Let's see if we the people can add more outsiders in the primaries.

I'm with you on the Convention of States, that just seems like a pipe dream.
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It's been 6 months. We knew this was going to be a ruckus, that's why he was elected. Give it some time. One guy getting road blocks thrown at him every day by the people he promised to oust isn't exactly proof it isn't working. Let's see if we the people can add more outsiders in the primaries.

I'm with you on the Convention of States, that just seems like a pipe dream.
It is a pipe dream. But it's less of a pipe dream than hoping for a single person to ride into Washington and fix everything. That's impossible, and it's not just because of the last 6 months.
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It is a pipe dream. But it's less of a pipe dream than hoping for a single person to ride into Washington and fix everything. That's impossible, and it's not just because of the last 6 months.
That's my point. We only have a single person, so far. Let's see if we can't rid ourselves with some of these parasites in the primaries, then maybe some more in the next go round. This isn't going to be a quick easy fix, and no one expected it to be.
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The swamp did get filled over night. You can't expect to be drained over night either. Give it some time
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That's my point. We only have a single person, so far. Let's see if we can't rid ourselves with some of these parasites in the primaries, then maybe some more in the next go round. This isn't going to be a quick easy fix, and no one expected it to be.
We've been trying that for decades. The establishment rewards people who get elected and then cooperate with the establishment. They give them committee assignments and tons of cash. Anybody that doesn't go along loses their important committee assignments (which help in soliciting campaign donations from lobbyists) and the party cash. The establishment then funds primary challengers to defeat the guy that won't go along. The whole system is corrupted. We'd somehow need to elect a Republican majority that consisted almost exclusively of people who would work for the people's best interest in spite of all the party establishment power machine working against them. Right now we have Mike Lee, Ted Cruz, Ben Sasse and just a small handful of others in Congress who are trustworthy to do what's right for the people. They are vastly outnumbered by establishment loyalists. It's theoretically possible that everybody all over the nation votes in more like Lee, Cruz and Sasse. But it's highly improbable.

And even if that happens, the fix will only be good as long as those politicians stay in office AND stay uncorrupted while they're in office. The only conceivable long-term fix is the Convention of States project to place serious constitutional limits on the federal government. If we get that done, it will handcuff politicians permanently, and it won't matter who they are.

We still need to vote for better politicians in the primaries. That goes without saying. But the system is so corrupted in its current state that we'll most likely never be able to get enough good guys elected to change anything.

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I used to believe that voting and primaries and just getting all the right people elected was possible. I don't anymore. Our country is way too under-informed, uneducated, misguided, and divided. We have WAY too many people who are sheep that are willing to blindly follow some "savior" that comes along and says everything they want to hear. Way too many suckers to put faith in voting to be the fix. If we don't tighten up the constraints on the federal government through some constitutional amendments somehow, and soon while at least there's still a chance, we'll be so far down the road to socialism or worse that we'll never get it back.
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While all of Trump's tweets have the media in a feeding frenzy he has been handing out one executive order after another that are largely going unnoticed. Many of which are rescinding Obama's orders many deemed unconstitutional.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-...ecutive-orders
http://www.businessinsider.com/trump...e-agreements-1

Love him or hate him he is doing things that are seldom reported. Maybe he wants it that way. And maybe some are just afraid to bring attention to it. After all it's reported that he is a workaholic and goes non stop for 18-20 hours a day.

For the record I was a Cruz supporter. Before I was an outsider
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I used to believe that voting and primaries and just getting all the right people elected was possible. I don't anymore. Our country is way too under-informed, uneducated, misguided, and divided. We have WAY too many people who are sheep that are willing to blindly follow some "savior" that comes along and says everything they want to hear. Way too many suckers to put faith in voting to be the fix. If we don't tighten up the constraints on the federal government through some constitutional amendments somehow, and soon while at least there's still a chance, we'll be so far down the road to socialism or worse that we'll never get it back.
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I used to believe that voting and primaries and just getting all the right people elected was possible. I don't anymore. Our country is way too under-informed, uneducated, misguided, and divided. We have WAY too many people who are sheep that are willing to blindly follow some "savior" that comes along and says everything they want to hear. Way too many suckers to put faith in voting to be the fix. If we don't tighten up the constraints on the federal government through some constitutional amendments somehow, and soon while at least there's still a chance, we'll be so far down the road to socialism or worse that we'll never get it back.


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No. It doesn't. Give an example of trump doing that.
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Sessions has done nothing so far. Here's a theory:
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America wins
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Realistically, it's not just DEMS that need to be in jail. There are just as many REPS that are far past greedy and probably on the take selling this great country to the highest bidder.

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I used to believe that voting and primaries and just getting all the right people elected was possible. I don't anymore. Our country is way too under-informed, uneducated, misguided, and divided. We have WAY too many people who are sheep that are willing to blindly follow some "savior" that comes along and says everything they want to hear. Way too many suckers to put faith in voting to be the fix. If we don't tighten up the constraints on the federal government through some constitutional amendments somehow, and soon while at least there's still a chance, we'll be so far down the road to socialism or worse that we'll never get it back.
Agree that voting as a solution is not just no longer a valid solution but I think it's been gone for a long time. The parties in charge don't allow for candidates that are not owned in on way or another. Big money is running our political parties and both are far from being in politics to serve our country
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Quarterback of the team is responsible for ALL points being scored.

Why does the pitcher of a game get recorded a loss of he strikes out 26 in a row but the 27th batter hits a fly ball to deep right but it falls out of the fielders glove and the batter gets a ITP but really it was E9?



It's trumps fault because the POTUS is the leader of their party and it is being down he doesn't know how to lead

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Trump has gotten over 40 legislative acts in the first 100 days, most directed at helping businesses. In 6 months, we went from 4 years of averaging 2% growth to over 4%, despite all major economic think tanks saying it would be impossible.
The consumer confidence index has climbed beyond any expectation to over 120+, the highest in more than a decade. New housing sales are up, durable goods orders are up, job numbers are.climbing and the labor dept says company hiring expansion is climbing. In less than a year, rig counts in this country have doubled, and companies are refitting stacked rigs as fast as possible, which means millions for support companies.
In the first month, trump got the Chinese to start sanctioning NK and pressuring them on missile testing and nukes, now he has Russia discussing a cease fire in Syria and working with us, not against us in the Mid East. He went to Europe, and despite our media reports, was well received. He even got the NATO countries to finally agree to pay their part of their defense, instead of us paying billions to defend them.
Whose the quarterback this time?
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Yes sir. Getting Gorsuch is already more success than I expected, and I'm happy about that. But other than that, it's all been pretty much what I expected he'd be. I'm still hoping for more success. I'd love to see him put an end to all the nonsense and just get down to business.
Same here! If he gains more positive wins I am content. I just don't have any faith in his ability to do the people's work. This is not about him it is about our nation. His personality is toxic at this point in the presidency which is reflected in the opposition in his own party. .... ...not just by the misguided Dem's. When folks yell RINO's that is only half truths. WE voted overwhelmingly for the tea party canidates. ......they are in place!!! They were vetted as CONSERVATIVE. .....and they are realizing the President is utterly clueless on HOW to achieve some of the worthy goals he has espoused. I too wish him (and us) the best but I won't sit around defending absolute non sense.

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Bingo! !! If our nation implodes based on who sits in the Oval Office means our Constitution and Bill of Rights are severely flawed. Thus the two houses, checks and balances , and the supreme court......to name a few. Does the armor get chinks in it by what a president does.....yes! But they are not kings!!!

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I am onboard! Sadly, the majority would have a stroke if it happened. .. ...even the ones that claim they really want the constitution to be the guiding principle for all decisions. The movement on this has been tortoise slow for a reason,.....that should answer lots of questions about where we truly are as a nation.

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Exactly... After watching Barry Hussein create one distraction after another, for 8 solid years, distractions are now fairly easy to pick up on... We've had a lot of practice..
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Apparently President Trump doesn't seem to understand is that the AG isn't the President's attorney, he is the country's attorney- big difference.
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Apparently President Trump doesn't seem to understand is that the AG isn't the President's attorney, he is the country's attorney- big difference.


Well if the previous potus had understood that, maybe it would be more clear to him. After 8 years of obama using the AG as his personal enforcement arm, it's easy to become used to it as policy.
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Well if the previous potus had understood that, maybe it would be more clear to him. After 8 years of obama using the AG as his personal enforcement arm, it's easy to become used to it as policy.
Guess Trump forgot that he was elected to be different and not like the other politicians. But hey, if the other guy did it I guess it is ok.
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I think we are at 13 states now? Need 35..

We really need so people with some political capital (like Rand or Lee) and someone with the attention of the country (Trump) to start calling for this. Get the word out to everyone! We can term limit 85% of congress in a day!
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I think we are at 13 states now? Need 35..

We really need so people with some political capital (like Rand or Lee) and someone with the attention of the country (Trump) to start calling for this. Get the word out to everyone! We can term limit 85% of congress in a day!
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Guess Trump forgot that he was elected to be different and not like the other politicians. But hey, if the other guy did it I guess it is ok.


Didn't see you worrying about it 7 months ago, but o don't it was a concern then...And just for the record, I'd like someone to explain how trump is using the AG as his personal lawyer. What specifically has he done.?
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Didn't see you worrying about it 7 months ago, but o don't it was a concern then...And just for the record, I'd like someone to explain how trump is using the AG as his personal lawyer. What specifically has he done.?
He wants the Justice Department to fire Mueller, the special counsel that's investing Trump, even if it would be improper or unethical for them to do so.
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He wants the Justice Department to fire Mueller, the special counsel that's investing Trump, even if it would be improper or unethical for them to do so.


If the reason he wants to fire him is valid, then he should be fired. If he as POTUS wants him fired, he informs the AG. If the AG finds it valid, he gets fired. That's how it works. Trump has repeatedly asked for the investigation to get finished. It's been months now, and it should be. It's not, and the longer it drags on, the less real problems get addressed. As for sessions, I like him.hes done a great job. I hope he stays.
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If the reason he wants to fire him is valid, then he should be fired. If he as POTUS wants him fired, he informs the AG. If the AG finds it valid, he gets fired. That's how it works. Trump has repeatedly asked for the investigation to get finished. It's been months now, and it should be. It's not, and the longer it drags on, the less real problems get addressed. As for sessions, I like him.hes done a great job. I hope he stays.
I agree except for the Sessions part. What has Sessions done?
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Scaramucci out. Great hire, lol. The Trump drama train rolls on...
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If the reason he wants to fire him is valid, then he should be fired. If he as POTUS wants him fired, he informs the AG. If the AG finds it valid, he gets fired. That's how it works. Trump has repeatedly asked for the investigation to get finished. It's been months now, and it should be. It's not, and the longer it drags on, the less real problems get addressed. As for sessions, I like him.hes done a great job. I hope he stays.
Agreed. But if the AG (or acting AG) doesn't think there's a valid reason to fire him, then what? Does he do what is right, or does he do what the President wants?

That appears to be the issue currently.
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Agreed. But if the AG (or acting AG) doesn't think there's a valid reason to fire him, then what? Does he do what is right, or does he do what the President wants?



That appears to be the issue currently.


I haven't seen evidence that suggests sessions is going to fire him, nor have I seen evidence that he isn't. At this point, it's simple speculation. And media twits eat it up like ice cream at a picnic. I don't blame trump one bit for the frustration. After all this time, there hasn't been a shred of evidence that he worked with Russians in the election. Not one. He thinks the AG should not have recused himself. I don't blame him. Sessions should have handled it. But he didn't, so now we will see where it goes.
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So what? I don't care if he fires a press talking head every week. He's doing what he said he was going to do, as much as a hostile congress will allow. I can't see how anyone would think this is an issue at all.
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I agree except for the Sessions part. What has Sessions done?


Seriously? Have you seen the latest figures on LEOs moral and confidence numbers? For the first time in 8 years, those numbers are up. Hes actively promoted holding off condemning LEOs for shooting "citizens" until the investigation is completed. Remember furgusion? Baltimore? The LEOs where vilified from the first report and the AG sent in investigators to prove wrong doing, and sided with the "hand up don't shoot" crowd in front of all the media. Now, we wait until we know what happened. Thats sessions.
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I haven't seen evidence that suggests sessions is going to fire him, nor have I seen evidence that he isn't. At this point, it's simple speculation. And media twits eat it up like ice cream at a picnic. I don't blame trump one bit for the frustration. After all this time, there hasn't been a shred of evidence that he worked with Russians in the election. Not one. He thinks the AG should not have recused himself. I don't blame him. Sessions should have handled it. But he didn't, so now we will see where it goes.
Sessions was right to recuse himself. He said that he didn't meet with any Russians during the campaign/transition process, but then it was shown that he did. Had he not recused himself and then had he fired Mueller to end the investigation, it would have made him as well as Trump look guilty. Letting the investigation happen is the right way to put it to rest, assuming Trump isn't guilty of anything. I don't think he is. The Russians would never prefer Trump to Hillary to begin with.

Trump seems to be very worried that they're going to find something embarrassing or worse in his finances. That's another issue. We'll see, I guess.

If Trump would have fired Comey on day 1, as he should have, we wouldn't be talking about any of this anyway.

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Let's see if we the people can add more outsiders in the primaries.

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