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Old 07-10-2017, 09:50 PM   #101
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Why would you purposefully want the country to suffer and conservatives to prevail?


See how easy it is to be an ideologue...

You're STILL mad that Hilary lost?? Dang dude.
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What does he mean by " support rural Trump voters" ?


If you were in tune with the GOP dilemma on the healthcare bill, you wouldn't have asked.

Maybe start with Shelley Moore Capito and John Hoeven.
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Why would you purposefully want the country to suffer and conservatives to prevail?


See how easy it is to be an ideologue...
No,no! The country had suffered enough, that's why conservatives prevailed.


See how easy it is to be realistic.
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Well, I've never heard anyone that lives in the country refer to themselves or their home as "rural". I'm guessing, that guy lives in a downtown loft.


Don't quit your day job. Guessing isn't your forte.
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No,no! The country had suffered enough, that's why conservatives prevailed.


See how easy it is to be realistic.

Ted Cruz begs to differ.
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Don't quit your day job. Guessing isn't your forte.

I suppose you were bound to be correct about something. Your ramblings are on par with a crack head. Stop trying to sound like an intellectual and state a valid point.
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I suppose you were bound to be correct about something. Your ramblings are on par with a crack head. Stop trying to sound like an intellectual and state a valid point.
On the subject of repealing Obamacare in its entirety, you belong to a 28% minority who can't seem to understand why a majority of Senators don't agree with you. Your ramblings are on par with a blowhard ideologue.

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You're STILL mad that Hilary lost?? Dang dude.
All anyone with a brain has to do is look at EVERY democrat run gov.
Organization and they should conclude it will always fail.
But yet half the population sees dems as savior's. Even though obama is the first ever president who never had a quarter of economic growth above 2%.
Mental disorder. Even if Trump turns into a total Failure he can only be as bad as obama......not even close to worse
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On the subject of repealing Obamacare in its entirety, you belong to a 28% minority who can't seem to understand why a majority of Senators don't agree with you. Your ramblings are on par with a blowhard ideologue.

Let me get this straight; you believe you are reasoned because, en mass, career politicians say it's a bad deal? Now, I get where you come from. What you don't grasp about me is, I didn't vote for Trump and from where I sit, CAREER POLITICIANS AND GUTLESS MODERATES/LIBERALS ARE TEARING APART THIS COUNTRY AND MAKING PEOPLE SUFFER WHILE THEY ENGAGE IN INSIDER TRADING AND BECOME FABULOUSLY WEALTHY.

The same people you cite as an authority on the subject (self-serving Senators) are the ones screwing you and everyone else like a tied goat. Forgive me if I don't drink the bitter Kool Aid.
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Ted Cruz begs to differ.
Sooooooo, Ted Cruz is in denial about conservatives prevailing across the country? That's interesting. I thought it was only the left that was in denial about the truth.
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Let me get this straight; you believe you are reasoned because, en mass, career politicians say it's a bad deal? Now, I get where you come from. What you don't grasp about me is, I didn't vote for Trump and from where I sit, CAREER POLITICIANS AND GUTLESS MODERATES/LIBERALS ARE TEARING APART THIS COUNTRY AND MAKING PEOPLE SUFFER WHILE THEY ENGAGE IN INSIDER TRADING AND BECOME FABULOUSLY WEALTHY.

The same people you cite as an authority on the subject (self-serving Senators) are the ones screwing you and everyone else like a tied goat. Forgive me if I don't drink the bitter Kool Aid.
Preach on!!! He's 100% correct Vermin93.
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Old 07-10-2017, 11:33 PM   #112
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Sooooooo, Ted Cruz is in denial about conservatives prevailing across the country? That's interesting. I thought it was only the left that was in denial about the truth.
Maybe Rush Limbaugh can help you understand my point about Ted Cruz...


"Can somebody point to me the conservative on the ballot?" Limbaugh asked on his radio show, according to a transcript posted to his official website. "'What do you mean, Rush? Are you admitting Trump is not a conservative?' **** right I am!"

He continued: "Folks, when did I ever say that he was? Look, I don't know how to tell you this. Conservatism lost, in the primary, if that's how you want to look at it. We had [Ted] Cruz; we had [Marco] Rubio."

Limbaugh said that he still wanted to see an authentic conservative win the Republican nomination for president and ultimately the White House.

"I wish it would happen," he said. "I've wished it would happen for 25 years."

The radio talk show host concluded his segment: "I wish conservatism was on the ballot."
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Let me get this straight; you believe you are reasoned because, en mass, career politicians say it's a bad deal? Now, I get where you come from. What you don't grasp about me is, I didn't vote for Trump and from where I sit, CAREER POLITICIANS AND GUTLESS MODERATES/LIBERALS ARE TEARING APART THIS COUNTRY AND MAKING PEOPLE SUFFER WHILE THEY ENGAGE IN INSIDER TRADING AND BECOME FABULOUSLY WEALTHY.

The same people you cite as an authority on the subject (self-serving Senators) are the ones screwing you and everyone else like a tied goat. Forgive me if I don't drink the bitter Kool Aid.
I believe that you don't appreciate why some GOP Senators don't agree with the 28% minority of Americans that want to completely repeal Obamacare.

I also believe that a substantial majority of Americans don't agree with your political opinion on healthcare.

"In general, voters think Republicans would do a better job handling terrorism (+19 points), the federal deficit (+15), the economy (+8), cyberattacks (+8), and taxes (+4). They think Democrats would do a better job on health care (+12 points) and give the Democrats a huge edge on climate change (+37). Itís mostly a draw on immigration (Democrats +2 points)."

I also didn't cite anyone as an authority on the subject. I suggested that the 72% of Americans who disagree with you are the reason a Senate majority to completely repeal Obamacare isn't going to happen no matter how much or how loud you rant.
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Haha! Man, I just want to give you a noogy and send you out to play with the other kids. What comic book did you cut and paste that from? You think you're making solid points and it is very cute. No one I know has claimed Trump is conservative. Nice try but taking an excerpt of a transcript out of context may fool the morons you collaborate with but not here. Anyone who listens to Rush consistently knows what you are trying to do is laughable.
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I believe that you don't appreciate why some GOP Senators don't agree with the 28% minority of Americans that want to completely repeal Obamacare.

I also believe that a substantial majority of Americans don't agree with your political opinion on healthcare.

"In general, voters think Republicans would do a better job handling terrorism (+19 points), the federal deficit (+15), the economy (+8), cyberattacks (+8), and taxes (+4). They think Democrats would do a better job on health care (+12 points) and give the Democrats a huge edge on climate change (+37). It’s mostly a draw on immigration (Democrats +2 points)."

I also didn't cite anyone as an authority on the subject. I suggested that the 72% of Americans who disagree with you are the reason a Senate majority to completely repeal Obamacare isn't going to happen no matter how much or how loud you rant.
No, it has to do with money, power and who will receive it. Politicians are crooks and THAT'S why Trump won. Where are you getting your statistics? You must be the only person in America reading those results.
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All anyone with a brain has to do is look at EVERY democrat run gov.
Organization and they should conclude it will always fail.
But yet half the population sees dems as savior's. Even though obama is the first ever president who never had a quarter of economic growth above 2%.
Mental disorder. Even if Trump turns into a total Failure he can only be as bad as obama......not even close to worse
You're making this about dems and repubs but you're so jaded you can't see that repubs run everything now so it could easily be repealed if GOP wanted it to.
And not only that but the GOP voting brethren ask over the country don't want Obamacare repealed because they too will lose their free govt handouts.

It's not only democrats that want and like govt freebies.
Read some posts on tbh and you'll see some folk that post on here that swear they hate govt freebies get the freebies themselves or their family members benefit from these govt welfare programs.

How can you pay $150k per year in taxes but your family member has to have an Obama phone is beyond me.
I think Obama phones has like ten mins of talk time and maybe 50 free texts per month.

Some things just don't add up.
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Old 07-11-2017, 03:55 AM   #117
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Let me get this straight; you believe you are reasoned because, en mass, career politicians say it's a bad deal? Now, I get where you come from. What you don't grasp about me is, I didn't vote for Trump and from where I sit, CAREER POLITICIANS AND GUTLESS MODERATES/LIBERALS ARE TEARING APART THIS COUNTRY AND MAKING PEOPLE SUFFER WHILE THEY ENGAGE IN INSIDER TRADING AND BECOME FABULOUSLY WEALTHY.

The same people you cite as an authority on the subject (self-serving Senators) are the ones screwing you and everyone else like a tied goat. Forgive me if I don't drink the bitter Kool Aid.

So trump and his family aren't setting up these govt deals for their family and friends to prosper?

Who are your Top 5 politicians?
Who would you love to run the country right now?
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No, it has to do with money, power and who will receive it. Politicians are crooks and THAT'S why Trump won. Where are you getting your statistics? You must be the only person in America reading those results.
This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.
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Old 07-11-2017, 06:33 AM   #119
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Haha! Man, I just want to give you a noogy and send you out to play with the other kids. What comic book did you cut and paste that from? You think you're making solid points and it is very cute. No one I know has claimed Trump is conservative. Nice try but taking an excerpt of a transcript out of context may fool the morons you collaborate with but not here. Anyone who listens to Rush consistently knows what you are trying to do is laughable.
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This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.
Simple question. How is the ACA better than healthcare before ACA? Because more people who couldn't afford healthcare are now covered? Because previous conditions are now covered? Were people dying in the streets before ACA?

If people who were indigent were receiving healthcare, and the general public was picking up the bill, then why are the premiums and deductibles so much higher now? If free market insurance was costing the taxpayers too much, then why is ACA ACTUALLY costing the taxpayers more?

There is absolutely not one thing the government has EVER gotten involved in that has drove the cost down compared to a free competitive market. I challenge you to show me any different. Thinking that government being involved in the healthcare business is a good thing is just pure idiocy!

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Simple question. How is the ACA better than healthcare before ACA? Because more people who couldn't afford healthcare are now covered? Because previous conditions are now covered? Were people dying in the streets before ACA?

If people who were indigent were receiving healthcare, and the general public was picking up the bill, then why are the premiums and deductibles so much higher now? If free market insurance was costing the taxpayers too much, then why is ACA ACTUALLY costing the taxpayers more?

There is absolutely not one thing the government has EVER gotten involved in that has drove the cost down compared to a free competitive market. I challenge you to show me any different. Thinking that government being involved in the healthcare business is a good thing is just pure idiocy!
Very well said.
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Simple question. How is compulsory education better than education in the usa before compulsory education? Because more people who couldn't afford schooling are now educated? Because previous conditions are now covered? Were people deaf dumb or blind in the streets before compulsory education?!
Do you agree with free education for all from birth to adulthood?
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The data is there for all to see.
Would this be the same data that said Donald J Trump had absolutely zero chance of being elected to the highest seat in the country?

Or. Is this "data" is coming out of the same wrinkly ol bovine **** cutter that stated Donald J Trump would not be POTUS.
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If people who were indigent were receiving healthcare, and the general public was picking up the bill, then why are the premiums and deductibles so much higher now? If free market insurance was costing the taxpayers too much, then why is ACA ACTUALLY costing the taxpayers more?

There is absolutely not one thing the government has EVER gotten involved in that has drove the cost down compared to a free competitive market. I challenge you to show me any different. Thinking that government being involved in the healthcare business is a good thing is just pure idiocy!
Who are the elected officials that represent you in Congress and Senate?
Call or email and ask them how they voted and why.

Ask them to break down the pros and cons of ACA in its current state and the two options GOP is proposing.

This is what they are elected and paid to do.
They have staff that are paid to research these things and give them insight on the situation.

I don't purely focus on the compliance or policy side but I'm deep enough in it to know how it will effect millions of people.

What qualifications do you have to speak on this subject?
You're spouting Fox News and Breitbart sound bites.
Do you have any hard core concrete numbers to back your claims?
Where did you get this data?
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This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.
I will agree with you that the idea of social healthcare is a good theory, is the ACA good? No. For a couple reasons, 1.) it forces people to get health insurance or pay a tax. I just simply don't agree with the government to force me to do anything. 2.) The ACA has created carrier monopolies in each state and in many counties, look at maricopa county Arizona, has one carrier and is the most populated county in Arizona. In fact, this year it is expected that 37 percent of the countries counties will only have one carrier, now you can either go with the monopoly company or pay a tax... (kaiser family foundation study).

I like the idea of an online exchange where different companies can compete for ones business. But, the website needs to be run by a private contractor and I truly feel that companies need to be able to sale throughout the country to make it truly competitive and more affordable. The fact is that it is now affordable. Take my company for example, 85% of our employees were on our insurance program, now its 25%(since ACA), all because our rates sky rocketed over the past 5 years.

Unfortunately we will never be able to go back to the government not controlling health care thanks to the socialist in this country. The populous has seen they can vote themselves benefits and wealth and they will continue to do so, it is the fall of all democracies. All that needs to be covered under the next bill is insurers must cover existing issues and companies can cover across the country. No tax or penalty, that is bull poop.

Oh, I'm an independent that identifies as a conservative
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This is so sad.
The level of education of the average American voter is dismally low.
All this data at folks fingertips and no one cares to use it.
All anyone wants to do is go off pure emotion and conjecture.

The data is there for all to see.

The data is showing and telling you that Republican voters en masse don't want a full and complete repeal of Obamacare.

Why????

Because Republican voters (your and my neighbours) like their bit of govt welfare too.
But they don't want to admit it.

The sad thing is GOP don't want to admit that Obamacare is a great idea and that's why it can't totally be ripped to shreds.

The two plans that GOP presented only slightly altered the current Obamacare.
No one is proposing huge complete overhauls or a full on repeal.
Why is that?
Cause it's a darn good program and GOP constituents depend on Obamacare to stay alive.

No, not only democrats are poor and dependent on govt welfare.
Some tbh family members depend on these welfare programs too!


Please name some non career politicians.
I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Rand Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.

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I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Randy Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.
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And, don't forget, I also stated if we didn't have to care for 75% of the entire World, we could have a different conversation on this matter. But, stomping out foreign aid like a flaming poop-filled sack would be CRAAAAAZY, right?
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I am not sure what it is about me you cannot follow. I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. I never claimed that there weren't so called Republicans that want O-care. I could put words in your mouth too but they probably won't fit.

Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Just like you. You make money from it so, you're good with it. What about me and my freedom? Did that ever cross your mind? Lastly, the name of a politician is not what I consider when reviewing their policy ideas. Their overall mind set, principled stance and willingness to do what is best for the Country (i.e. Term Limits) at the detriment of their own career. Sadly, I cannot name five but I can give you four in no particular order:

Randy Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Hell, that poaching thread yesterday reminded me of that. You want to pigeonhole people and put them into this category or that. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.
He won't be back for a couple weeks and start a different discussion since you just answered all his questions, or if he does it will be some dumb questions since he won't answer anybody else's questions.

Who knows maybe he will surprise me
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Who are the elected officials that represent you in Congress and Senate?
Call or email and ask them how they voted and why.

Ask them to break down the pros and cons of ACA in its current state and the two options GOP is proposing.

This is what they are elected and paid to do.
They have staff that are paid to research these things and give them insight on the situation.

I don't purely focus on the compliance or policy side but I'm deep enough in it to know how it will effect millions of people.

What qualifications do you have to speak on this subject?
You're spouting Fox News and Breitbart sound bites.
Do you have any hard core concrete numbers to back your claims?
Where did you get this data?
160 Class, I missed one. Ironman must be tied up because he'd be on this like morons at a Bernie rally.

Texansfan, you asked what qualifications does he have. All it takes is a pulse and brain waves to make the assessment. You admitted yourself that you "don't get deep into policy but can see it affects millions of people." What about the millions that O-care screwed over so others can prosper? It's a Robin Hood scheme designed to take from the middle class and give MORE to the poor than they already receive. So, where's all the money going? Good question, right?! It's a shell game except there's no pea under the shells. You said he is "jaded" and cannot comprehend...what about you (and, the word you're searching for is biased). How much have you benefited from O-care since its inception? Who's biased now?
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Texansfan, all you ever do is deflect and answer questions with other, sometimes irrelevant, questions. I asked you a simple question. Still awaiting your answer.
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Just catching up to this. Guess it always has to get personal for some folks but not focus on what truly is going amiss with our nation.
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Maybe Rush Limbaugh can help you understand my point about Ted Cruz...


"Can somebody point to me the conservative on the ballot?" Limbaugh asked on his radio show, according to a transcript posted to his official website. "'What do you mean, Rush? Are you admitting Trump is not a conservative?' **** right I am!"

He continued: "Folks, when did I ever say that he was? Look, I don't know how to tell you this. Conservatism lost, in the primary, if that's how you want to look at it. We had [Ted] Cruz; we had [Marco] Rubio."

Limbaugh said that he still wanted to see an authentic conservative win the Republican nomination for president and ultimately the White House.

"I wish it would happen," he said. "I've wished it would happen for 25 years."

The radio talk show host concluded his segment: "I wish conservatism was on the ballot."
When I heard that, it was very revealing and confirmed what many were saying around the nation........including myself. Trump is a place-holder for the office......not a bad thing - but not what we need! If we get a few positive changes I will be happy. If we can stay out of a disastrous global conflict I will be thrilled. If citizens can all come to a point to understand that we are in a bad political place for 25 years I will be on cloud nine!
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I suggested that the 72% of Americans who disagree with you are the reason a Senate majority to completely repeal Obamacare isn't going to happen no matter how much or how loud you rant.
Yessir! I dislike the ACA for multiple reasons but you nailed it to the wall. Senators will FOLLOW what their constituents demand........period! When West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana are clamoring to keep ACA that is incredibly telling! The rural dwelling folks of the Midwest are NOT the working poor most like to stereotype when it comes to these divisive issues......and that is a problem!!!
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You're making this about dems and repubs but you're so jaded you can't see that repubs run everything now so it could easily be repealed if GOP wanted it to.
And not only that but the GOP voting brethren ask over the country don't want Obamacare repealed because they too will lose their free govt handouts.

It's not only democrats that want and like govt freebies.
Read some posts on tbh and you'll see some folk that post on here that swear they hate govt freebies get the freebies themselves or their family members benefit from these govt welfare programs.

How can you pay $150k per year in taxes but your family member has to have an Obama phone is beyond me.
I think Obama phones has like ten mins of talk time and maybe 50 free texts per month.

Some things just don't add up.
A lot of things don't add up. Folks are arguing two sides of the same coin but cant see the fix is in on ALL American citizens...........from both sides. If a few individuals do see it for what it truly is the mis-step is to believe that our president can solve it. Yes, if they wanted to repeal this non-sense it could have happened on day one.
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I did NOT vote for Trump and I am no fanboy to any politician. Firstly, I am not a Republican so, I have no duty to defend their actions. Secondly, and AGAIN, because an elected official says it's good for the Country usually tells me it is not. The reason they don't repeal it is because they do not want to be on record as having voted to have stopped someone's cancer treatment, etc. That and most profit from it in some way. Rand Paul
Louis Gomert
Ted Cruz
Mike Lee

Put principled people like these in charge for one term, you will swiftly learn who the sell-out hacks are. What someone on TBH claims to be means less than squat to me. Just remember, not everyone is a monolithic mouth breather. Some of us can think and function for ourselves and we don't need you or the Gubmint to care for us.
Well heck, this cant fly on TBH. I could not agree more. The mass majority of them SUCK to high heaven...(that comes from 21 years of going on hill visits).....but if they claim (choice of party) they walk on water per our citizens........"COME ON MAN" that is shameful!!! The choices for our presidency sucked but the will of the masses (people that voted) prevailed........that is how it should be based on OUR constitution!! The 4 you listed are considered fringe these days but that is what a constitutionalist looks like in the 21st Century. Sorry to the folks that "yell and scream" about our damaged constitution but don't want the folks that believe in it to run the show.....lmao......just a bunch of dysfunctional whiners that really want the government to help them but NOT the other guy/gal!!! Comparing our tax payer funds going to the poor versus going to the "well to do" is kinda sobering........but it is the real story!
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And, don't forget, I also stated if we didn't have to care for 75% of the entire World, we could have a different conversation on this matter.
Less than 2% of our total budget is for foreign aid. Many believe it is north of 20%. Is 2% a lot of dang money, YES IT IS. Does some of that get mis-used.......YES IT DOES. Is it a way to assist with hail holes around the world and keep folks from our shores.......YES! Thus it is NOT the elephant in the room.
http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-bl...us-foreign-aid
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I will agree with you that the idea of social healthcare is a good theory, is the ACA good? No. For a couple reasons, 1.) it forces people to get health insurance or pay a tax. I just simply don't agree with the government to force me to do anything. 2.) The ACA has created carrier monopolies in each state and in many counties, look at maricopa county Arizona, has one carrier and is the most populated county in Arizona. In fact, this year it is expected that 37 percent of the countries counties will only have one carrier, now you can either go with the monopoly company or pay a tax... (kaiser family foundation study).

I like the idea of an online exchange where different companies can compete for ones business. But, the website needs to be run by a private contractor and I truly feel that companies need to be able to sale throughout the country to make it truly competitive and more affordable. The fact is that it is now affordable. Take my company for example, 85% of our employees were on our insurance program, now its 25%(since ACA), all because our rates sky rocketed over the past 5 years.

Unfortunately we will never be able to go back to the government not controlling health care thanks to the socialist in this country. The populous has seen they can vote themselves benefits and wealth and they will continue to do so, it is the fall of all democracies. All that needs to be covered under the next bill is insurers must cover existing issues and companies can cover across the country. No tax or penalty, that is bull poop.

Oh, I'm an independent that identifies as a conservative
You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

Is that too much to provide your neighbor?
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You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

Is that too much to provide your neighbor?

Troll.
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Troll.
I get called names because I don't want my neighbor to die of prostate cancer if he can't afford treatment.

LoL

A guy on here said his mom ... nevermind.

I'm a troll.
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It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
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It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
I pay $450 per month for a family plan and have a $4k deductible before my insurance starts paying 80/20 then I keep paying until I've reached $10k paid in a calendar year then they pay 100% after that.

Only way I've reached those levels is by having a kid.

Each time we have reached that $10k limit.

Thank God but now kids only go for shots and check ups a couple times per year.

I'll pay 10% more if everyone was able to have health care.

How is that any different than guys not in o&g saying they'd pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas when it is only $2.00 to keep a handful of folks employed in the oil patch?

It's all a form of socialism.
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It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
It's also obvious who is benefitting from this 'tax' & not recognizing govt run health care is a disaster all over the globe...if it is not repealed & addressed properly, it is going to completely spring board our economy into turmoil. The facts show it's a disaster, yet they do not care about the books. dam the torpedoes, right??

I do not have a lot of faith they will get it right, but do applaud they are foregoing their scheduled vacation / recess to address the situation. Likely all window dressing, but looks good.

If you want it fixed right, make every law maker in DC have to abide & use the same system they are passing laws for us...this is the problem. The folks who say it's so awesome won't even acknowledge the folks who passed this are totally exempt from it's practice & have tax payer 1st class care till they are dead.

Pathetic to even try & support this disastrous law indeed...trying to side skirt it with education is even more pathetic & a typical angle. Horrible law that is bleeding us out & the future will prove it if too blind to see what it has already done. EVERYONE'S healthcare coverage has gone up substantially accept for the ones who are riding the tax payers coat tails. Not a debate anyone can win if focused on the merits / facts. Pathetic.
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I pay $450 per month for a family plan and have a $4k deductible before my insurance starts paying 80/20 then I keep paying until I've reached $10k paid in a calendar year then they pay 100% after that.

Only way I've reached those levels is by having a kid.

Each time we have reached that $10k limit.

Thank God but now kids only go for shots and check ups a couple times per year.

I'll pay 10% more if everyone was able to have health care.

How is that any different than guys not in o&g saying they'd pay $3.50 for a gallon of gas when it is only $2.00 to keep a handful of folks employed in the oil patch?

It's all a form of socialism.
$450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.
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$450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.
I would not be surprised if he is receiving one of those tax payer funded subsidies to get it that low.
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$450 a month? 4K deductible? Mine was higher than that LONG before ACA. I could afford two median mortgages for what insurance is costing now, with a 10K deductible.
I get my health insurance from an employer that has over 50k employees. 10k of those being in Texas.
Also, that's my portion. I don't know how much the company pays to the health insurer.
Everyone's compensation package us different.
Some of those above me pay nothing for their health coverage.

Sounds like most TBH work for tiny companies with under 100 employees where y'all can rattle off the number of employees that went to ACA because premiums rose too high.

Also, I only pay $450 to insure my family.
The company gives me free health care for myself.
Actually I think all employees get medical coverage included but to add a spouse or kids you have to pay.
My wife can get health insurance through her company but she can't see her doctor on her companies plans so she's on mine and my job charges us a $100 per month penalty because of it.
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I get my health insurance from an employer that has over 50k employees. 10k of those being in Texas.
Also, that's my portion. I don't know how much the company pays to the health insurer.
Everyone's compensation package us different.
Some of those above me pay nothing for their health coverage.

Sounds like most TBH work for tiny companies with under 100 employees where y'all can rattle off the number of employees that went to ACA because premiums rose too high.

Also, I only pay $450 to insure my family.
The company gives me free health care for myself.
Actually I think all employees get medical coverage included but to add a spouse or kids you have to pay.
My wife can get health insurance through her company but she can't see her doctor on her companies plans so she's on mine and my job charges us a $100 per month penalty because of it.
As far as I'm concerned, you have absolutely no right, whatsoever to even comment on this thread, due to the simple fact that you have absolutely no clue what the ACA is doing to the majority of taxpayers in this country. Period!
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It's also obvious who is benefitting from this 'tax' & not recognizing govt run health care is a disaster all over the globe...if it is not repealed & addressed properly, it is going to completely spring board our economy into turmoil. The facts show it's a disaster, yet they do not care about the books. dam the torpedoes, right??

I do not have a lot of faith they will get it right, but do applaud they are foregoing their scheduled vacation / recess to address the situation. Likely all window dressing, but looks good.

If you want it fixed right, make every law maker in DC have to abide & use the same system they are passing laws for us...this is the problem. The folks who say it's so awesome won't even acknowledge the folks who passed this are totally exempt from it's practice & have tax payer 1st class care till they are dead.

Pathetic to even try & support this disastrous law indeed...trying to side skirt it with education is even more pathetic & a typical angle. Horrible law that is bleeding us out & the future will prove it if too blind to see what it has already done. EVERYONE'S healthcare coverage has gone up substantially accept for the ones who are riding the tax payers coat tails. Not a debate anyone can win if focused on the merits / facts. Pathetic.
LoL
What about farmer welfare?
Everybody needs health care and education.
Whatever it costs.
Pay it.

When someone goes to Africa and comes back with Ebola or goes to Brazil and brings us Zika Tokyo brings us SARS.
Then can't afford health care then comes to work and infects you then you may sing a different tune.
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What about farmer welfare?
Everybody needs health care and education.
Whatever it costs.
Pay it.

When someone goes to Africa and comes back with Ebola or goes to Brazil and brings us Zika Tokyo brings us SARS.
Then can't afford health care then comes to work and infects you then you may sing a different tune.
Last I checked, hospitals can't refuse service. Which brings me back to my simple question I asked you before. Still waiting on your answer.
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As far as I'm concerned, you have absolutely no right, whatsoever to even comment on this thread, due to the simple fact that you have absolutely no clue what the ACA is doing to the majority of taxpayers in this country. Period!
LoL ate you serious?
I work both sides of the coin.
I help those that Can't afford coverage find financial assistance programs (I help drug companies design the programs) and I help those that can afford it get the best treatment money can buy.

I see folks that don't even have insurance they pay cash for everything
Hundreds of thousands of dollars they just sign off on it and it gets done.
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LoL ate you serious?
I work both sides of the coin.
I help those that Can't afford coverage find financial assistance programs (I help drug companies design the programs) and I help those that can afford it get the best treatment money can buy.

I see folks that don't even have insurance they pay cash for everything
Hundreds of thousands of dollars they just sign off on it and it gets done.
Ahhhh! So your part of the pharmaceutical problem, AND the welfare problem. Makes perfect sense now!

Who were you calling biased?

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Ahhhh! So your part of the pharmaceutical problem, AND the welfare problem. Makes perfect sense now!

Who were you calling biased?
If you notice, it is easy to demand others do things you want when it's at the point of a gun. If there were no punitive fines and people weren't scared of going to jail or having their insurance jerked away by the Gubmint or making it unsustainable so they must do without, I have a feeling attitudes would change quickly. Let him stop making money from it and we'll see how good an idea he thinks it is.

I also want to know what happened to the stats back during the election when the overwhelming majority believed O-care is a terrible idea. Now, Trump is Prez and supposedly the populace believes it is great? Forgive my skepticism.
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I would also add, I bet he budgets his own finances differently than the crap he wants to impose on the rest of us. I asked before for him to comment on my freedom to make my own financial decisions and he deflected the hell out of that question.
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I would also add, I bet he budgets his own finances differently than the crap he wants to impose on the rest of us. I asked before for him to comment on my freedom to make my own financial decisions and he deflected the hell out of that question.
Oh, you can bet he is milking the **** out of any and every program possible.
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You're forced to pay to educate children of those who earn zero dollars per year.
Do you hate funding your local ISD as well?

Wnt not let the kids be dumb as rocks if their parents don't care enough to teach them RRR or the parent don't want to pay for them kids learning.

I think at a minimum every human being should be able to read, write and do long division as well as not to love with a medical or physical ailment.

Is that too much to provide your neighbor?
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It's obvious here who doesn't pay for their own insurance. Why should they care what insurance cost? Maybe, just maybe they have a sizable deductible, and reality will slap them in the face one day. But then again, if you don't have to pay for your own insurance, the deductible is really no big deal.
I don't pay for my healthcare I get that good VA insurance thanks to the operations I served in!! But, when I see my brother paying over 300 a month with a 3500 dollar deductible, or the single mom whose rates went from 150 a month for her and her 5 year old to 500 a month with a 6000 (was 1500) dollar deductible when she works for a company that employs 250K people!!!!! That is total BS..

Now to the funding of my beloved HISD (who my wife works for). I would love to cut my tax dollars from going to any school that does not consistently perform! At my wifes school (which is a title 1 low income school) they get more funding that most schools. Well why is my wife and other teachers having to pull money from their own pockets to pay for supplies for students, I don't mean like pencils and papers, I mean like having to buy entire classroom sets of books to read or do math? Really, where are my tax dollars. What about when the teachers are paying for uniforms and transportation for the school sports teams? Where my money? You can say cancel those sports programs, but then you send these kids home early where their parents don't give a crap about them, they just see them as their ticket to a government check and the next hit from their crack pipe. But, that just runs the risk of those kids joining gangs like MS13. Great. Meanwhile, our superintendent was hired away from San Francisco ISD and make well into the 6 figures, how much do the trustees make that rarely go to work. Glad to see my money is going to a great cause! Meanwhile, she teaches with people who say grades don't matter and they just continue to pass kids. My wife was a first year teacher and when she got her 43 3rd graders only 4 of them had a reading level above 1st grade, thats what I like paying for. But thank god there are some teacher like my wife that have a bit of heart, she worked 12 hours a day and 6 days a week (only 5 hours on saturdays) doing extra tutorials, generally every morning two days during the afternoon then every saturday. They are suppose to get extra pay for working over time, she was only paid for 4 hours of overtime though.... because of "funding issues". Wheres my money?

maybe it is going to schools like waltrip high school that are way over budget and over a year late on its remodel? Same with lee high school, oh I mean "wisdom high school" because robert e lee was a racist, that cost a few hundred grand......

theres better ways to do things, we gotta figure it out. I know throwing more money at a money pit isnt the answer...
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