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Old 07-13-2017, 07:46 PM   #51
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Yes I was told no closed season. I spent the night on a plot one night with my fiancee. Wish we would of had red lights, we heard a big boar and he sounded mad. I've found good signs on a few plots.

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Cool. Thanks for the answer. I really want to go hunt one. Is it legal to hunt them at night with a light? My son told me the other day that he would rather go at night because its not as hot.
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Cool. Thanks for the answer. I really want to go hunt one. Is it legal to hunt them at night with a light? My son told me the other day that he would rather go at night because its not as hot.
I don't want to steer you wrong on the night hunting with a light. I'll call the office tomorrow and ask them for you.

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Old 07-13-2017, 07:53 PM   #53
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I don't want to steer you wrong on the night hunting with a light. I'll call the office tomorrow and ask them for you.

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If i take lunch ill call also. Were trying to get a job done so most days it lunch while working.
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I'm pretty sure, public land it's not legal to use any type of light. Pick a full moon night.

TPWD- Non-protected nongame animals and fur-bearing animals may be hunted at night with the aid of an artificial light on private property. If hunting at night, please make a courtesy telephone call to your local game warden.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:57 PM   #55
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I'm pretty sure, public land it's not legal to use any type of light. Pick a full moon night.

TPWD- Non-protected nongame animals and fur-bearing animals may be hunted at night with the aid of an artificial light on private property. If hunting at night, please make a courtesy telephone call to your local game warden.
Thanks for the reply. My son was more interested in going at night than i am.
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Old 07-13-2017, 07:59 PM   #56
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Txbowslaughter you dont happen to drive a gold suburban do you? Saw a it driving around units this past weekend after it started raining.
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There is a guy here, won't mention names, that goes out all night and sits in a stand, maybe he will chime in with his "method". You know who you are.
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There is a guy here, won't mention names, that goes out all night and sits in a stand, maybe he will chime in with his "method". You know who you are.
Hopefully. I have heard it's legal to hunt at night but only without lights. Always wondered how it was possible.

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Plan your hunts around the full moon.
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It is legal to hunt hogs, predators and rabbits at night with a light on the Grasslands.

You can call the Wise County Sheriff's Office and have them notify the game wardens. Be sure and give them the unit numbers and county road number where you will be hunting. The number is 940 627-5971. The game wardens will appreciate the call as it will save them from getting out of bed to check you out.
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Txbowslaughter you dont happen to drive a gold suburban do you? Saw a it driving around units this past weekend after it started raining.
No sir that's not I. Here is my truck incase you see me. Honk at me sometime. Green Chevy Silverado



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There is a guy here, won't mention names, that goes out all night and sits in a stand, maybe he will chime in with his "method". You know who you are.
Interested to learn the method.

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It is legal to hunt hogs, predators and rabbits at night with a light on the Grasslands.

You can call the Wise County Sheriff's Office and have them notify the game wardens. Be sure and give them the unit numbers and county road number where you will be hunting. The number is 940 627-5971. The game wardens will appreciate the call as it will save them from getting out of bed to check you out.

Thank you froggy for that.
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Ok cool. Ill be in a silver f250 ex cab with a sticker on the driver side back glass.
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Ok cool. Ill be in a silver f250 ex cab with a sticker on the driver side back glass.
Yes sir I'll look for it. I'm trying to get out there sometime soon. I need to get some new tires before I head that far out.

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Old 07-14-2017, 01:05 PM   #66
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Gonna head back out there tomorrow and check the cams again.

Curious what y'all think, how long should you leave cams in a given spot without seeing a quality buck before you decide to move to another spot?

I really pretty green when it comes to deer hunting honestly. I'm watching all these videos and reading all these articles and all I ever have is more questions than answers!

Like I can pick out tracks, trails and rubs. It's a little harder for me to ID scraps. Then when it comes to scouting I'm kind of just throwing stuff against the wall seeing what will stick.

Like, what in the hell constitutes a "bedding area"? Am I currently standing in one? Did I just screw myself over by invading his personal space?

If so, how the hell to I even find a big buck and start to hunt him if I can't get close to his area and try and figure out his routine.

I've watched this Pressured Deer Pro and his "conditioning" idea makes a ton of logical sense to me. Idea being, when scouting in the off season you're not that concerned with scent control. You really want to introduce your scent to the animal so he learns to not be super spoked by it if he smells you during the season.

I'm just not sure I buy into the whole be super quiet and have no scent whatsoever deal. These big private land bucks come running as soon as they here the feeder go off. It's become like ringing a dinner bell. I'm sure the first time they heard it it spooked them but then they quickly learned, "oh that's nothing to be afraid of, that's actually a good sound."

Anyway, like I said, I'm still learning, don't know much at all but trying to figure it out as I go.
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Gonna head back out there tomorrow and check the cams again.

Curious what y'all think, how long should you leave cams in a given spot without seeing a quality buck before you decide to move to another spot?
If you find a buck on cam during the off season, doesn't mean he'll be there once the season starts. Sometimes they leave their core area for the off season to seek love in other places when the rut starts. And don't return till the season is over. A lot has to do with how many does you have in the area. If you find the does, and food sources, the bucks will show up sooner or later.

I really pretty green when it comes to deer hunting honestly. I'm watching all these videos and reading all these articles and all I ever have is more questions than answers!

Like I can pick out tracks, trails and rubs. It's a little harder for me to ID scraps. Then when it comes to scouting I'm kind of just throwing stuff against the wall seeing what will stick.
Scouting is actually going out and looking for sign like trails, scrapes, rubs, food sources, cover or bedding areas, live deer, ect. Some things take time to learn to recognize for the beginner. Having an experienced hand can help you a lot in learning to recognize "deer sign". And how it plays a roll where you are looking.

Like, what in the hell constitutes a "bedding area"? Am I currently standing in one? Did I just screw myself over by invading his personal space?
Try thinking of a bedding area as a "safe space", just like you would at home for your family. You want to be able to see, hear, and smell anything in the area that might present danger. I've found night time and day time bedding areas out in open fields. And in thick brush. A lot has to do with the time of year. And if they are being pressured. As well as available cover during the late season.
I've also found deer bedded up on hilltops and saddles in the mornings and afternoons to take advantage of cooler breezes during the warmer early season. They also get the benefit of up-drafts from warm air rising in the morning as the air temperature increases. And carries scent upward. And remember, when the day comes to end, the temps usually drop. This means on hillsides, the air/scent current is usually downward. So your scent flows downward.


If so, how the hell to I even find a big buck and start to hunt him if I can't get close to his area and try and figure out his routine.
His routine may change as the season starts. That is what makes the rut so popular. They sometimes get stupid crazy when their hormonal level increases toward the rut, and pre-rut. But being persistent (not giving up) through the season can pay off in the long run on getting a wily old buck. He didn't get old from being dumb. Same is mostly true with big boar hogs. I find them more skittish than old bucks.

I've watched this Pressured Deer Pro and his "conditioning" idea makes a ton of logical sense to me. Idea being, when scouting in the off season you're not that concerned with scent control. You really want to introduce your scent to the animal so he learns to not be super spoked by it if he smells you during the season.
I have to agree with your "Pressured Deer Pro". I've found this to be very true. They may also pattern you, or people, just like you are trying to do to them. I've known a few places now where deer will sit and watch trails people walk in on. Once they know the trail is being walked in on, the deer just get up and walk away to another area till later when they think there is no-longer any danger. I've also used that to my advantage by letting them pattern me (conditioning). Then come in from a different direction to where I'm going to hunt, so they never know "I slipped in the back door". If I come and go at the same time, every time, they come to expect such (conditioning).
I've also hunted some public lands where baiting was legal. Both deer and pigs get used to your scent. I've gone in to feed, left for 15 minutes, and came back with another sack of feed to find the deer already on the first sack I had just put down. I've also used socks on feed pens on private property, as a means of leaving my scent lingering longer around a feeder.

I'm just not sure I buy into the whole be super quiet and have no scent whatsoever deal. These big private land bucks come running as soon as they here the feeder go off. It's become like ringing a dinner bell. I'm sure the first time they heard it it spooked them but then they quickly learned, "oh that's nothing to be afraid of, that's actually a good sound."
Some of the biggest private lands bucks are never seen or killed under a feeder. But on the trials going to and around it. Sometimes they just go by where they can get a good smell of, or see, who's there. And what better way to do that than slightly down wind from a feeder to see if there's any sexy does feeding there.

As to scent control, I'm a big fan of the best scent is no scent during the season. Every hunter is different on this topic. But I know what works best for me. What little I do have during the season, I wanna use the wind to my best advantage when I can. Also, not using scent control during the off season will help condition them to knowing when your there, or have been there recently. By going scent free during the season, what little scent you do give off hopefully is minimal as if you had not been there in a little while. So they are more willing to accept the little than the whole lot. As to stealth, not much need unless you are going to hunt. You don't want the deer to know where you are or what area your in. So I try to be as quiet as possible both going in, and going out during the season. I also keep my head light to a minimum till I'm well out of my hunting area. Deer live there. They know their way around in the dark. And can see your headlight or flash light just like any other human can. I might use a white light till I get a few hundred yards from where I'm going to hunt. Then I turn on a red light and try to keep it low as possible. And many times go without one the last 100 yards or so.

Anyway, like I said, I'm still learning, don't know much at all but trying to figure it out as I go.
That's part of what draws so much attention to it all. You can't always figure it out. Sometimes it's just plain old fortune. Other times, it's all the prep-work. And there seems nothing more rewarding than to have a plan successfully come together with your quarry in hand. But in all, it's all fun.
The best to you this coming season. There's a lot of fun out there. And a lot to learn and experience with age.
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The best to you this coming season. There's a lot of fun out there. And a lot to learn and experience with age.
Thanks for the great reply! Good luck to you as well.
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Dang I don't know that I can absorb tgat much at one time!
Good read
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Great read for sure. Thanks guys
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Old 07-16-2017, 08:44 PM   #71
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Anyone get out there this weekend? Was going to go today but didnt end up going.
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Anyone get out there this weekend? Was going to go today but didnt end up going.
No. Went and pulled a cam near my lease at Pat Mayse instead. Not much activity so brought the camera home. Will be checking my LBJ cam next weekend and hanging my other.

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Anyone get out there this weekend? Was going to go today but didnt end up going.
I will as soon as I get new tires for my truck.

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Old 07-17-2017, 11:17 AM   #74
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Went out late on Saturday to check my three cams. All had does on them but nothing else. Well check that, had a yearling buck on one.

Cam 1 I got snorted at over and over and she (I think) actually kept coming closer to me before finally darting off into the thick.

Cam 3 I jumped 3 doe in three different places heading to the Cam so that was neat.

Not sure where the bucks are but if there's does there will be bucks later on.

Realized Cam 1 was set up 50 yards north of someone's lean to stand that they'd left out over the year.

So question for everybody on that. What is the general friendly hunter policy with respecting other hunters?

I know technically anyone can hunt anywhere they want whenever they want according to regulations. That being said, I think all hunters understand and appreciate someone respecting their hunt/space.

So for instance, I've always done more public duck hunting in the past. If we create a makeshift blind and the next morning another group got there earlier and was in it, well, that's just how it goes. Crazy as it is that never happened. But what would tend to happen is late hunters would come strolling into your spread 10 mins before shooting time and we'd just flash 'em with our lights and they'd get the hint and move on. We tried to do the same.

What's the "code" if you will for deer hunting? I honestly, wouldn't mind if somebody used my hanging stand or lean to stand if I wasn't there. But if I showed up to my stand and somebody was using it I think I'd probably let them know "yeah I put this one up and I'd like to hunt out of it this morning." Likewise if I was in somebody else's lean to and they came up to hunt it I'd gladly oblige and get out of their stand.

And what about proximity? I really want to hunt this rub. It looks like a good spot. I don't feel like somebody else has a claim to it because they left their stand out all year. Otherwise you'd end up having 100s of stands out all the time and every square foot would be "claimed".

What do y'all think?
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Went out late on Saturday to check my three cams. All had does on them but nothing else. Well check that, had a yearling buck on one.

Cam 1 I got snorted at over and over and she (I think) actually kept coming closer to me before finally darting off into the thick.

Cam 3 I jumped 3 doe in three different places heading to the Cam so that was neat.

Not sure where the bucks are but if there's does there will be bucks later on.

Realized Cam 1 was set up 50 yards north of someone's lean to stand that they'd left out over the year.

So question for everybody on that. What is the general friendly hunter policy with respecting other hunters?

I know technically anyone can hunt anywhere they want whenever they want according to regulations. That being said, I think all hunters understand and appreciate someone respecting their hunt/space.

So for instance, I've always done more public duck hunting in the past. If we create a makeshift blind and the next morning another group got there earlier and was in it, well, that's just how it goes. Crazy as it is that never happened. But what would tend to happen is late hunters would come strolling into your spread 10 mins before shooting time and we'd just flash 'em with our lights and they'd get the hint and move on. We tried to do the same.

What's the "code" if you will for deer hunting? I honestly, wouldn't mind if somebody used my hanging stand or lean to stand if I wasn't there. But if I showed up to my stand and somebody was using it I think I'd probably let them know "yeah I put this one up and I'd like to hunt out of it this morning." Likewise if I was in somebody else's lean to and they came up to hunt it I'd gladly oblige and get out of their stand.

And what about proximity? I really want to hunt this rub. It looks like a good spot. I don't feel like somebody else has a claim to it because they left their stand out all year. Otherwise you'd end up having 100s of stands out all the time and every square foot would be "claimed".

What do y'all think?
Nice sighting on the doe!

I've wondered the same things about places that I've scouted out. During scouting I've seen tree stands that are year round. I've also found good places that I want to set up. I'm interested to see others responses on this.

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Good luck to everybody this year.
If I have a weekend this year that I can't make it to the lease I may sneak out there with my muzzleloader. I also may try to take the kids squirrel hunting if my spot closer to the house doesn't produce.

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Old 07-17-2017, 08:59 PM   #77
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I like finding other's tree stands because that tells me where NOT to setup.
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I agree. When I see hunter sign I look elsewhere. I've had people stroll through spots I thought nobody else hunted. Couldn't imagine setting up in another persons treestsnd.

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By FS regulations stands can only be left in place for 72 hours. After that they are considered abandoned property by the Forest Service.

If you decide to hunt a stand left out there and the FS LEO knows it's there and stops by, guess who gets the ticket?
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By FS regulations stands can only be left in place for 72 hours. After that they are considered abandoned property by the Forest Service.

If you decide to hunt a stand left out there and the FS LEO knows it's there and stops by, guess who gets the ticket?
Since it's considered abandoned, does FS ever take down and auction or sell to public?

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I don't know about auction or selling. But I do know they will remove a stand if left for more than the 72 hour limitation. If you need it removed, you can turn in the GPS coordinate to the FS. And they will monitor it.

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There are plenty of stands on LBJ now, I can tell just by looking no need to monitor.
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Old 07-18-2017, 03:59 PM   #83
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I don't know, I don't think I'd report the stand. Are they breaking the rules by leaving it out there, yeah but I'm not interested in tattle telling on somebody. I'm more likely to just leave a note and mention the 72 hour rule to them or try to make friends and see if we can't work something out where we share spots/stands. Not trying to get some body's equipment confiscated. In my experience a lot of hunters are pretty friendly people and would appreciate the heads up.

On that note, not sure if anyone is interested in a meet up sometime soon but I know there's a pretty good group of hunters that hunt the Sam that have done one and enjoyed it.

If anyone's interested let me know. Thinking maybe scout Saturday and then cook some dogs on the grill and have a few beers out by Cottonwood. Anyway, if anybody's interested shoot me a PM. Would be nice to meet some fellow public hunters.
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I'm not going to report them, went through that phase a few years ago and all it did was eat at me (different govt land). I'll mind my own business and find another place to setup (for 72 hours).

Way I look at it, if the USFS doesn't want the stands out there, tell Mr. green jeans to get outta the truck and go hunt-em up. If I can find that many, he/she can as well. Hopefully no offense to any on here.

I'll let you know when I'm going out next drycreek, not sure when that may be other than possibly 2nd week of October.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:16 PM   #85
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Id be interested in a meet up.
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Old 07-18-2017, 05:53 PM   #86
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I'm interested in a meet up. I'm in Mansfield and only hunt public.
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Old 07-18-2017, 06:19 PM   #87
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I'd likely be up for the meet up. Be nice to get to know some others.

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Old 07-20-2017, 08:03 PM   #88
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Anyone going out this weekend? Plan on going out there sunday morning. Maybe try to see a hog and go fishing.
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:07 PM   #89
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Anyone going out this weekend? Plan on going out there sunday morning. Maybe try to see a hog and go fishing.
Going to check a camera and hang a new one. Not sure yet if Sat or Sun. Good luck out there. Where do you fish?
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:10 PM   #90
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Been fishing cottonwood. Been catching some nice largemouth off topwater or a Carolina rig
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Old 07-20-2017, 08:12 PM   #91
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Nice I'll need to start bringing a rod with me. Thanks!

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Old 07-20-2017, 08:52 PM   #92
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I have caught a few small crappie on inline spinners also.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:31 PM   #93
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This I'm going to head out Saturday. Could bring some brats and beers for a lunch at Cottonwood if anybody's interested. If not we'll schedule some in August.
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Old 07-20-2017, 09:36 PM   #94
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This I'm going to head out Saturday. Could bring some brats and beers for a lunch at Cottonwood if anybody's interested. If not we'll schedule some in August.
I'll post if I can make it up Sat. If not best time to get the most people may be opening weekend.

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Old 07-20-2017, 09:49 PM   #95
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Ill see if i can saturday. Suppose to take my son the the driving ranger saturday. But will definitely be out there camping opening weekend.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:42 PM   #96
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Drycreek, i can make it saturday and can bring the beer( if you let me know what you like) if you bring the brats.
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Old 07-20-2017, 10:54 PM   #97
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I'm not going to report them, went through that phase a few years ago and all it did was eat at me (different govt land). I'll mind my own business and find another place to setup (for 72 hours).

Way I look at it, if the USFS doesn't want the stands out there, tell Mr. green jeans to get outta the truck and go hunt-em up. If I can find that many, he/she can as well. Hopefully no offense to any on here.

I'll let you know when I'm going out next drycreek, not sure when that may be other than possibly 2nd week of October.
No offense taken. I was Mr. Green Jeans for 21 years out there We removed a lot of stands every year. I climbed a lot of trees, with bolt cutters, and accompanied the FS LEO many times when he motioned hunters out of stands and gave them an "award".

The regulation was put in place years ago because hunters were claiming areas and telling others they couldn't hunt there. We removed posted signs, box blinds, feeders and found food plots that had been tilled and planted. It's never ending. I retired over 5 years ago and talk to former co-workers often. Nothing has changed.

The rules and regulations are there to protect the legal, ethical hunter.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:17 AM   #98
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Drycreek, i can make it saturday and can bring the beer( if you let me know what you like) if you bring the brats.
Sounds good man. I'm fine with whatever. I always pack a little cooler with some soddies so anything you want to bring is fine too. I'll bring a couple of packages of brats and whoever comes is welcome.

Why don't we aim for the Black Creek Lake boat launch at noon on Saturday?

Anybody who wants to join feel free to swing by and say hello and have a brat.
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Old 07-21-2017, 09:20 AM   #99
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No offense taken. I was Mr. Green Jeans for 21 years out there We removed a lot of stands every year. I climbed a lot of trees, with bolt cutters, and accompanied the FS LEO many times when he motioned hunters out of stands and gave them an "award".

The regulation was put in place years ago because hunters were claiming areas and telling others they couldn't hunt there. We removed posted signs, box blinds, feeders and found food plots that had been tilled and planted. It's never ending. I retired over 5 years ago and talk to former co-workers often. Nothing has changed.

The rules and regulations are there to protect the legal, ethical hunter.
Ha! No way. So people were actually putting up signs claiming areas? What the... And I can't believe people where bringing out tillers for food plots. Ha ha!
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Old 07-21-2017, 12:34 PM   #100
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Well, not going to make it out. Have to work.
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