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Old 06-07-2017, 11:07 AM   #1
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Don't think I've seen a thread on this subject. I want to see what the green screen thinks.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:11 AM   #2
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Lee was not alone, I'm confident in that
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Lee was not alone, I'm confident in that
What makes you say that? I've got my own theories but they both have Lee as the sole shooter.
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According to everything I've read lately. ....Trump did it.
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I've always found the theory that Oswald was a radicalized and rogue KGB agent, as his Soviet connections are verifiably established. Which I think would go a long way to explaining why there was such a protracted and obvious coverup. US officials were probably envisioning a nightmare scenario where Americans would be seeking revenge on the USSR sparking a nuclear war, and viewed a coverup as being the lesser of two evils. Leaders at the time, having lived through WW1 might have been having flashbacks of Gavrilo Princep and the Arch Duke Ferdinand sparking the worst war in modern history.

Not saying this is fact, but seems more plausible to me than the FBI/Mob theory - just seems like too many moving parts.
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I saw a new theory the other day. Oswald was shooting from the book depository and hit Kennedy. When the Secret Service heard the shots an agent pulled out his M16 and had an accidental discharge which hit Kennedy in the back of the head.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/ac...un-f2D11634276

I just saw the date. It's not new, but I just saw it a month ago.

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Old 06-07-2017, 11:41 AM   #7
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I saw a knew theory the other day. Oswald was shooting from the book depository and hit Kennedy. When the Secret Service heard the shots an agent pulled out his M16 and had an accidental discharge which hit Kennedy in the back of the head.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/ac...un-f2D11634276
Never heard of that before, reading now.
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Old 06-07-2017, 11:49 AM   #8
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According to everything I've read lately. ....Trump did it.
No Ted Cruz father was involved too ... straight from the horses mouth
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Why are there still sealed papers on the murder if there arent any questionables?
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:22 PM   #11
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Kennedy was going to end the Federal Reserve.
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Kennedy was going to end the Federal Reserve.
Is there any evidence of that beyond Ex. Order 11110? I've heard that idea thrown around a lot, but not much corroboration other than second hand quotes.
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Old 06-07-2017, 12:54 PM   #13
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I saw a new theory the other day. Oswald was shooting from the book depository and hit Kennedy. When the Secret Service heard the shots an agent pulled out his M16 and had an accidental discharge which hit Kennedy in the back of the head.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/ac...un-f2D11634276

I just saw the date. It's not new, but I just saw it a month ago.
M16 in 1963?
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M16 in 1963?
Wasn't that rifle developed in the late 50's? I'll have to look.


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M16 in 1963?
I think youre right said it went into production in 64. I miss read or miss heard.

Ooops now found this. I don't know.
https://www.britannica.com/technology/M16-rifle

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I think George H. W. Bush knows who did it
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Old 06-07-2017, 01:34 PM   #17
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I saw a new theory the other day. Oswald was shooting from the book depository and hit Kennedy. When the Secret Service heard the shots an agent pulled out his M16 and had an accidental discharge which hit Kennedy in the back of the head.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/ac...un-f2D11634276

I just saw the date. It's not new, but I just saw it a month ago.
The article says AR-15, not M-16. Colt bought the AR-15 rights from Armalite in 1959.
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The article says AR-15, not M-16. Colt bought the AR-15 rights from Armalite in 1959.
https://www.britannica.com/technology/M16-rifle

In the doc i saw they called it a M16 so thats what I put.
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What makes you say that? I've got my own theories but they both have Lee as the sole shooter.
He is known to have had a lot of contacts that were no friends of the US.
Ruby killed him with a hundred law men with in arms reach, you only do that if your willing to sacrifice yourself to make sure secrets are kept.
I dont think Lee had the mental capability to pull it off on his own.
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I went down the conspiracy-theory wormhole over 30 years ago. A shelf in my house groans with the weight of books I read about it. Every time a new one came out I gobbled it right up. It took a long time but I eventually came full circle and now believe that Oswald acted alone. I also gave up arguing about it years ago. I finally realized that very few - if any - of the people in the "KACT community" have followed the evidence wherever it leads. All start with the unshakeable belief that there was a conspiracy of one kind or another then only consider evidence that supports their theory. Arguing with them is like trying to talk a fervent believer out of their religious faith - believing does something for them that goes beyond reason. My favorite of the KACT debunking books is Gerald Posner's "Case Closed". It is a very detailed, well researched and footnoted book (it is also very long) Of course the cottage industry that is KACT felt threatened by it so here came a slew of books to debunk the debunkers book. It will never end, and few minds will be changed. What may look like organized cover-ups was mostly law enforcement bungling, buck-passing and incompetence (in Dallas and at the Federal level) I understand it is hard to accept that one angry loon could take out the most powerful man in the world but throughout history, sometimes weird and unlikely things happen. And sometimes coincidences are just that - coincidences.
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:07 PM   #21
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H.W. Bush was there to oversee the killing so I'd say the CIA is behind it. I've seen first hand the killing Bush can be responsible for.

He will burn in Hell.
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Old 06-07-2017, 02:30 PM   #22
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I went down the conspiracy-theory wormhole over 30 years ago. A shelf in my house groans with the weight of books I read about it. Every time a new one came out I gobbled it right up. It took a long time but I eventually came full circle and now believe that Oswald acted alone. I also gave up arguing about it years ago. I finally realized that very few - if any - of the people in the "KACT community" have followed the evidence wherever it leads. All start with the unshakeable belief that there was a conspiracy of one kind or another then only consider evidence that supports their theory. Arguing with them is like trying to talk a fervent believer out of their religious faith - believing does something for them that goes beyond reason. My favorite of the KACT debunking books is Gerald Posner's "Case Closed". It is a very detailed, well researched and footnoted book (it is also very long) Of course the cottage industry that is KACT felt threatened by it so here came a slew of books to debunk the debunkers book. It will never end, and few minds will be changed. What may look like organized cover-ups was mostly law enforcement bungling, buck-passing and incompetence (in Dallas and at the Federal level) I understand it is hard to accept that one angry loon could take out the most powerful man in the world but throughout history, sometimes weird and unlikely things happen. And sometimes coincidences are just that - coincidences.
I was listening to a podcast by Dan Carlin and I believe he referenced that exact same author. He said what bothers people so much about the lack of a conspiracy is that people don't like the idea that one nobody can have such a profound impact on the world. That, even if the forces are nefarious, the human mind prefers to believe that at least someone is in control. Which I think plays into what you said with people having an almost religious devotion to their favored conspiracy theory.

That being said I'm not completely sold on the as-the-offical-story-goes theory, but certainly can't discount it outright. What are your thoughts on Oswald being a rogue KGB agent, or at least a radicalized soviet asset that they lost control of?
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I've seen first hand the killing Bush can be responsible for.
Care to elaborate?
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H.W. Bush was there to oversee the killing so I'd say the CIA is behind it. I've seen first hand the killing Bush can be responsible for.

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Say what?
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This is how the Clinton crime family got their start
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That being said I'm not completely sold on the as-the-offical-story-goes theory, but certainly can't discount it outright. What are your thoughts on Oswald being a rogue KGB agent, or at least a radicalized soviet asset that they lost control of?
All the evidence I've seen (some of it from files published after the Soviet Union collapsed) show that after LHO had been in Russia a while they had him pegged as as being too unstable to be a reliable asset. Who knows? Some of the conspiracy theories are quite compelling but in my opinion (which counts for exactly nothing) the most likely scenario is the most simple one - a lone gunman stumbled and fumbled his way to being in the right place at the right time and pulled it off.
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All the evidence I've seen (some of it from files published after the Soviet Union collapsed) show that after LHO had been in Russia a while they had him pegged as as being too unstable to be a reliable asset. Who knows? Some of the conspiracy theories are quite compelling but in my opinion (which counts for exactly nothing) the most likely scenario is the most simple one - a lone gunman stumbled and fumbled his way to being in the right place at the right time and pulled it off.
I guess the end result is the same, Kennedy is dead. The hard part of deciphering LHO's motives is that he was probably insane, and trying to pick out the thought process of a madman entangles truth with fiction. I think Occam's Razor tends to agree with you, my only lingering questions have been about LHO's associations.

What book/source material did the Soviet intelligence on LHO come from, if you dont mind me asking?
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What book/source material did the Soviet intelligence on LHO come from, if you dont mind me asking?
I'll see if I can find it.
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I've shot a few things in the head and not one time did the contents travel back the way the bullet came from. I just don't see a lone gunman.
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Ruby killed him with a hundred law men with in arms reach, you only do that if your willing to sacrifice yourself to make sure secrets are kept.
This, and to a lesser degree two rounds of the same ammo doing vastly different things upon entering a human body, opens the possibility of there being a lot more to the story.
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In high school I wrote my Juniortheme on this at the time I thought connly and lbj had a big role in it.
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Jerp...what was your take on the 'magic' bullet??

There is simply no way a pristine round could have been recovered in the manner in which it was...I don't think any of us will ever know for sure, other than we know we were taken for a ride.

Personally, I cannot buy the lone gunman...not that it matters, just cant.
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H.W. Bush was there to oversee the killing so I'd say the CIA is behind it. I've seen first hand the killing Bush can be responsible for.

He will burn in Hell.
Can't leave us hanging. What is this so called first hand knowledge?

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I have done a lot of research on the subject. One thing people overlook is, JFK and RFK set out to bring about the end of the Mafia. The Mafia is known to have threatened the lives of both JFK and RFK if they did not relent. Also, Oswald was no "under the radar" communist convert. He was all over TV as well as in numerous newspaper and magazine articles trying to sell communism to the United States. Thus, his public profile made him easy to find since he was usually on street corners handing out literature. In Oswald, the Mafia could see a willing patsy a mile away.

Remember, Oswald was not a particularly intelligent specimen nor was he well educated. Listen to him speak and read his writings (if you can decipher the misspellings). I believe the Mafia decided to follow through with their threat and used Oswald in that plan, thereby making Oswald was the perfect patsy. It would not have been hard to convince him to be a part of something "big" in the name of communism. I believe he WAS on the 6th floor that day and I believe he actually did connect with one of three shots. However, he was not alone. There was another shooter on the grassy knoll to ensure the job was completed. They did not want to have to use that shooter but when Oswald failed to incapacitate Kennedy, the pro fired one shot. A head shot at 40 yards....he was DRT. I also believe there was a layer of assassins on that motorcade route but little evidence exists to support that. Tactically, it makes perfect sense. After the shooting, Oswald wasn't smart enough to plan an adequate exit strategy and he was captured. It worked out very well for the Mafia.
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Carlos Marcellus the MAFIA Kingpin in NOLA has always been tied to this event. Oswald lived in NOLA for years. Actually, his parents in NOLA were arrested within hours of the assassination in Dallas.
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He commented on a thread with some epic escapades in panama as a special covert green beret operative. Can't find it, musta got the axe--- or it was still classified and the NSA deleted
I'd never claim to be an Army puke. I'm also not in the mood to confess my sins tonight to the internet. I will again sometime.

The Mafia stuff is close but its a political control mafia. If you guys think its an accident all these kin folk are maintaining political control, theres ocean front property in Arizona. Prescott Bush, look him up. He was also in bed with the Nazi war machine provoding raw materials for money.

Oswald very well may have conected with a shot, so did the guy in the storm drain on the street, my best guess. They interviewed a fella that claimed on his death bed that he was the guy at street level but I ain't seen much of that since. I think it was setup to lend itself to conspiracy theories.

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The Mafia stuff is close but its a political control mafia.


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I have no idea. But, watch a documentary called: JFK - A Presidency Betrayed. It doesn't have anything to do with the assassination. However, it does paint a picture of a President fighting against his own people. Specifically the Joint Chiefs of Staff. I don't believe the idea of the documentary was to provoke this thought in my head, but, i came away thinking the Joint Chiefs had the man executed. I'm probably very alone. But i'll never believe Oswald acted alone. Beyond that, there's plenty of rabbit holes to run to and through.
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If it was as has been reported then why was the files kept closed for another 50 years. Who would be protected by that closure? The only ones I can think of are LBJ's family.
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If it was as has been reported then why was the files kept closed for another 50 years. Who would be protected by that closure? The only ones I can think of are LBJ's family.
I revert back to the theory that Oswald was a KGB agent gone rogue. Preventing nuclear war seems like the only plausible way to get so many people on board with a coverup - assuming there was a coverup.
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Neither the best FBI or TDPS sharp shooters could duplicate either the accuracy or speed of fire that Oswald was supposed to have done with the 6.5 Carcano.
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I have done a lot of research on the subject. One thing people overlook is, JFK and RFK set out to bring about the end of the Mafia. The Mafia is known to have threatened the lives of both JFK and RFK if they did not relent. Also, Oswald was no "under the radar" communist convert. He was all over TV as well as in numerous newspaper and magazine articles trying to sell communism to the United States. Thus, his public profile made him easy to find since he was usually on street corners handing out literature. In Oswald, the Mafia could see a willing patsy a mile away.

Remember, Oswald was not a particularly intelligent specimen nor was he well educated. Listen to him speak and read his writings (if you can decipher the misspellings). I believe the Mafia decided to follow through with their threat and used Oswald in that plan, thereby making Oswald was the perfect patsy. It would not have been hard to convince him to be a part of something "big" in the name of communism. I believe he WAS on the 6th floor that day and I believe he actually did connect with one of three shots. However, he was not alone. There was another shooter on the grassy knoll to ensure the job was completed. They did not want to have to use that shooter but when Oswald failed to incapacitate Kennedy, the pro fired one shot. A head shot at 40 yards....he was DRT. I also believe there was a layer of assassins on that motorcade route but little evidence exists to support that. Tactically, it makes perfect sense. After the shooting, Oswald wasn't smart enough to plan an adequate exit strategy and he was captured. It worked out very well for the Mafia.
I have done zero research but I think it is something down these lines...
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:36 AM   #47
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Neither the best FBI or TDPS sharp shooters could duplicate either the accuracy or speed of fire that Oswald was supposed to have done with the 6.5 Carcano.
In an effort to test the rifle under conditions that matched the assassination, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory had expert riflemen fire the assassination weapon from a tower at three silhouette targets at distances of 175, 240, and 265 feet (81 m).[67] Using the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight, three marksmen, rated as master by the National Rifle Association, each fired two series of three shots. In the first series, the firers required time spans of 4.6, 6.75, and 8.25 seconds respectively. On the second series, they required 5.15, 6.45, and 7 seconds. The marksmen took as much time as they wanted for the first target at 175 feet (53 m), and all hit the target. For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73 m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81 m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.[68] None of the marksmen had any practice with the assassination weapon beforehand except to work the bolt.
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Were the seond and third targets stationary? (not moving ...so ..the shooters knew where they would be when they had to reposition...?)
I would think that target acquisition on moving target post-first shot (dealing with recoil) then again after the second shot, would add another level of complexity to the equation..
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Old 06-08-2017, 01:52 PM   #49
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One possibility I've never seen mentioned is the theory there were two completely independent assassination teams there in Dallas that day. LHO on his own, and a hit team operating under orders from the mafia. The parade route was published in the newspapers prior to the President's arrival. Maybe two shooters coincidentally chose the same time and place.
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In an effort to test the rifle under conditions that matched the assassination, the Infantry Weapons Evaluation Branch of the U.S. Army's Ballistics Research Laboratory had expert riflemen fire the assassination weapon from a tower at three silhouette targets at distances of 175, 240, and 265 feet (81 m).[67] Using the assassination rifle mounted with the telescopic sight, three marksmen, rated as master by the National Rifle Association, each fired two series of three shots. In the first series, the firers required time spans of 4.6, 6.75, and 8.25 seconds respectively. On the second series, they required 5.15, 6.45, and 7 seconds. The marksmen took as much time as they wanted for the first target at 175 feet (53 m), and all hit the target. For the first four attempts, the firers missed the second shot at 240 feet (73 m) by several inches. Five of the six shots hit the third target at 265 feet (81 m), the distance of President Kennedy from the sixth floor window when he was struck in the head.[68] None of the marksmen had any practice with the assassination weapon beforehand except to work the bolt.
Granted he rattled those shots off quickly, but I never found his marksmanship to be some kind of supernatural feat, he was not that far away.
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