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Old 01-08-2014, 02:12 PM   #101
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You may very well be right, but weeds would choke out all the sunlight. I figured the sunlight was more important??????
To a point it could. Depends on the weeds. Weeds can very well choke out a tiny tree. Not trying to tell you how to do it. Just trying to help a bit. The little trees do not need full blast sunlight either. Not when they are that small. Sun light is important for sure. But Texas sun can also kill a little tree as well. When i was farming trees all my 1-5 gallon container trees we had right next to each other. And you will see that in just about any tree farm. And for good reason. The little trees will grow taller faster, straighter fighting to get to that needed sunlight. Take a walk in the thick woods. Look at what is going on where there is an open spot of light. The smaller trees are fighting to take over that spot! Many orchards have moved to not mowing there isles and spraying weeds. They learned that by doing this they are for one spending less resources fighting something that 2ndly is actually good for their orchards. If every man died today weeds would help make this earth a giant organic garden again in no time. That compacted, dry cracked soil you are groing your trees in can be a rich compost rich soil like that of the natrual forest floor. You will spend less time watering, pulling, and spraying weeds. As well as fertilizing wont be needed as much. Not saying you are doing it wrong. Just saying you may be killing yourself for nothing. That old saying pick your battles applies here. YMMV I would feed, and mulch the trees over trying to kill the weeds. You will never keep weeds out of a patch of dirt. NEVER!!! Heck weeds grow in sidewalks, roads, rocks. Weeds only grow where needed IMO. If you have weeds in your yard it is because your turf died because it did not get what it needed. Either water, food, proper zone for type of turf, or sunlight. Something was missing.
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Old 01-08-2014, 02:53 PM   #102
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What about deer? Had any problems with deer rubbing them, etc...?

I have read of others using tube starters, but looks like u did fine without any...
Yes, sometimes they don't seem to want to corporate. I am planting the trees for them, but wish they would quit playing with them
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:17 PM   #103
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Yes, sometimes they don't seem to want to corporate. I am planting the trees for them, but wish they would quit playing with them
That's what I fear...

I guess I will fall back on starter tubes if my deer get crazy.

While reading up on sawtooths I found a website that sells 15" tubes for .61 each for quantities of 100-499. In a worst case scenario they might be worth it. They also promote faster growth I have read...
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:28 PM   #104
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seems like a fun project
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Old 01-08-2014, 03:46 PM   #105
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That's what I fear...

I guess I will fall back on starter tubes if my deer get crazy.

While reading up on sawtooths I found a website that sells 15" tubes for .61 each for quantities of 100-499. In a worst case scenario they might be worth it. They also promote faster growth I have read...
I have only gone thru a couple of years, but so far the trees that have rubbed had all done fine the next year.
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:01 PM   #106
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I have only gone thru a couple of years, but so far the trees that have rubbed had all done fine the next year.
From what I have read they will mostly survive, just not grow as fast...

I'm trying to build up cover ASAP. That's why I am thinking for $120 worth of tubes it might be worth my money. But to do it right and encourage quick upward growth I believe u have to continue buying taller tubes as needed.

Guess I will wait to see what damage if much occur...
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:07 PM   #107
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I'm mostly concerned about flooding. Everything I've read says 24hrs under water and they die. Has that been your experience?
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:16 PM   #108
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I'm mostly concerned about flooding. Everything I've read says 24hrs under water and they die. Has that been your experience?
At what age? If true, I will lose some.
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:17 PM   #109
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I'm mostly concerned about flooding. Everything I've read says 24hrs under water and they die. Has that been your experience?
Are you talking ankle deep water or you mean deep?
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:20 PM   #110
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Are you talking ankle deep water or you mean deep?
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Old 01-08-2014, 04:26 PM   #111
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You might need to plant moss or seaweed! I truly think it might be a waste of time to plant there, unless you could get a year or two w/o that kind of flooding.... But I'm no expert....
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:43 AM   #112
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Excellent! Going to be beautiful when you're finished
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:24 PM   #113
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any game camera pics ???
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:38 PM   #114
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Not sure if you are going to plant different types of trees, red/white/live oaks, maples..etc, but a good source for free trees may be your local nursery. If you have a nursery in the area who grows their own trees from the 1gal size and up they more than likely purge yearly non saleable trees. I have a buddy who runs one and they trash hundreds of trees every year because they are not straight or have a non-desirable limb configuration. More than likely these will be trees 4'-10' tall some maybe even larger. This last year he trashed almost 600 oaks of different varieties. Its worth looking into it might save you a little money and a few years on your growing time.
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:39 PM   #115
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Getting corn planted. May have to replant my sweet com. It had already come up then we have the freeze last week.
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:41 PM   #116
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The trees from the first planting
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Old 04-20-2014, 04:46 PM   #117
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The sweet corn I planted few Weeks ago.
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Old 05-09-2014, 09:48 AM   #118
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well, going to get to see how well some of mine do with the wrath of the Sulphur River about to flood them. Planted about 20 in the river bottom just to see if they could survive a flood.
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Old 09-09-2015, 11:01 AM   #119
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THis last year was a dud planting trees. Nearly all that I planted this year died for some reason. I couldn't plant till June, and ordered trees for a different source, so not sure wha the deal was, but going to go back to my old source and hope to get things planted earlier this winter.

BUT the cool thing is the POND GUYS(Mike Otto) showed up this morning!!!! I have been waiting since last October, and they are finally here!!! But they got rained out in first hour........... Oh well they are here. Hoping to get 3-4 acre pond, but should know by the end of the week. It will be a swimming/fishing pond.

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Old 09-09-2015, 11:33 AM   #120
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just read this thread and I love the idea, best of luck to you
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Old 09-09-2015, 01:10 PM   #121
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Here is one of the first trees we planted.
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Old 09-09-2015, 03:34 PM   #122
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Great thread, really cool project.
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Old 09-09-2015, 04:10 PM   #123
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Nice thread.
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Old 09-09-2015, 04:22 PM   #124
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Cool!
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Old 09-09-2015, 08:12 PM   #125
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Thanks for posting! Looking good!
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Old 09-09-2015, 09:14 PM   #126
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Wanting in again this year when you order. I also got some from a different source this year and they are looking sad. Maybe from a lack of rain the last couple of months.
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Old 09-09-2015, 09:49 PM   #127
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Wanting in again this year when you order. I also got some from a different source this year and they are looking sad. Maybe from a lack of rain the last couple of months.
I'll let you know when I order.
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Old 09-09-2015, 10:16 PM   #128
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i also bought from another source earlier this year, but bought more mature trees and strategically placed them with tree tubes.

the unlimited rain we had in the spring got one that was under water for days, but the others are 3.5-4' tall and will probably top the 5 foot tree tubes next year sometimes.

tree tubes have really helped me control the deer and grasshoppers, not to mention the guy who mows our hay
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Old 09-14-2015, 07:32 PM   #129
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Most equipment here now. Dozer has been clearing and I think they will start moving dirt tomorrow
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Old 09-14-2015, 07:37 PM   #130
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After budget and dreams were at conflict, looks like 2.5 to 3 acres is closer what it will be. First survey was 6 acres pond, but 38K yards of dirt to be moved!!!!!

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Old 09-15-2015, 07:54 AM   #131
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I have planted pecan, sawtooth and persimmon trees and lost about 1/2 of what was planted but the ones that have made it look good (about 6 to 7' tall now) going into this fall. Like you I, I built a 3.5 acre pond completed last Nov. Cleared 6and a half acres to get the 3.5 acre pond. It has been a great addition to my place. Not cheep though. But I had my first flight of ducks yesterday set down on the water. Ponds are great if no leaks. Mr Otto will do a good job, he has a good reputation. enjoy
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:05 PM   #132
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Awesome thread!
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Old 09-17-2015, 03:56 PM   #133
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Here is a current Google Earth pic showing the trees. There are 6 rows going down two sides of the field.
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Old 09-17-2015, 04:13 PM   #134
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Looking good!!! One day I'll be in your shoes!!
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Old 09-18-2015, 03:05 PM   #135
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Moving some dirt today. Scraper has scraped about 3 feet today.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:00 PM   #136
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Exciting to see progress! I've ordered Mexican white oaks, live oaks, chestnuts, hazelnuts, and honey locusts to reforest some of our place this year.
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I'm thinking about building a water trailer from totes to water our trees with. Here's a quick sketch (sorry bad photo). I'm thinking I'll plumb the drains together and have a single ball valve to open to put water on the ground. I'll extend the operator up on the valve and put a long pole on it so I can open the valve from the seat of the tractor. That way, I can drive next to the tree, open the valve for several seconds, close and move to the next tree all without getting off. I'm all ears if anyone sees a way to improve it.

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Old 09-18-2015, 08:26 PM   #138
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Following and Way cool, wish you much success brother.
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Old 09-18-2015, 08:34 PM   #139
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I use this pump and a 55 gallon barrel. I hook up garden hose sparyer and waterhose. I'm sure yours would work better.
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Old 09-23-2015, 06:45 PM   #140
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Getting deeper...
Already fishing in my mind. "Their going to be right off that first shelf!"
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:00 PM   #141
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Nice! You going to stock it with channel cats and bass?
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:04 PM   #142
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maybe should have pond builder pile you up a small hill with all that dirt to use as a back stop for shooting ur rifle and guns. life project. nice work
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:53 PM   #143
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Nice! You going to stock it with channel cats and bass?
I have been trying to think of where I want that pile, but I'll have one!
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I have planted pecan, sawtooth and persimmon trees and lost about 1/2 of what was planted but the ones that have made it look good (about 6 to 7' tall now) going into this fall. Like you I, I built a 3.5 acre pond completed last Nov. Cleared 6and a half acres to get the 3.5 acre pond. It has been a great addition to my place. Not cheep though. But I had my first flight of ducks yesterday set down on the water. Ponds are great if no leaks. Mr Otto will do a good job, he has a good reputation. enjoy
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Old 09-23-2015, 07:55 PM   #144
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Nice! You going to stock it with channel cats and bass?
Only thing I'm sure of is bass, and a few hybrid bluegill. Still trying to decide.
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We have cats in our ponds and they are fun, especially for the kids, as they come up to the surface to eat food the kids throw out; even up on the beach to get food that the kids drop right on the edge of the water. I set up a feeder for the fish a few months back and they've been gaining weight well. Here's a photo from a couple weeks back, I took the kids to catch their first fish. Had four or five in the bucket in 20 min or so and in the fryer a couple hours later. Great memories. I hadn't been cat fishing in 30 years. I want to build a pier at this pond at some point in the next few years.
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Old 09-24-2015, 11:16 AM   #146
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We have cats in our ponds and they are fun, especially for the kids, as they come up to the surface to eat food the kids throw out; even up on the beach to get food that the kids drop right on the edge of the water. I set up a feeder for the fish a few months back and they've been gaining weight well. Here's a photo from a couple weeks back, I took the kids to catch their first fish. Had four or five in the bucket in 20 min or so and in the fryer a couple hours later. Great memories. I hadn't been cat fishing in 30 years. I want to build a pier at this pond at some point in the next few years.
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Old 09-24-2015, 05:45 PM   #147
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Getting deeper. They brought another 750 dozer in today.

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Old 09-29-2015, 05:48 PM   #148
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And deeper
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Old 09-29-2015, 06:07 PM   #150
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With the wife in one for a reference of how deep.
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