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Old 09-21-2015, 08:52 AM   #101
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I am going to do the sawdust method today. Anyone have a clue where I would get saw dust?

Would something like this work? I get it for my horse stalls and once the pellets get wet they turn into saw dust.
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Old 09-21-2015, 09:01 AM   #102
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Old 01-11-2018, 11:42 PM   #103
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Back up from 2015. Is anyone planting trees? I've a got dozens of acorns and persimmons seeds stratifying in the fridge. This will be my 1st year to try my luck at growing them from acorns. I had some luck with persimmons growing last year, but lost a lot in the late summer when I forget to water them enough. I also just ordered a dozen seedlings from Nativ nurseries to plant.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:01 AM   #104
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How did they know you were doing an inside grow operation? Electric bill high or something?
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How would you plant this Burr oak acorn? Shell off?
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:09 AM   #106
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Can anyone Id these acornsAttachment 685532
Looks like a red oak. The stripes are the tattle tell. The exact name escapes me.
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Old 01-12-2018, 12:12 AM   #107
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Here are some pics of the tree, bark and a leaf to go with the acorns I posted earlier. Does this help identify?
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Standar Red Oak...might be a Shumard Oak
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Old 02-26-2018, 07:48 PM   #108
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How far South with white oaks grow? Is South Texas too hot for them? I understand they will need additional water, as rain fall down South is not enough. Just wondering if they would survive the heat of the summers.
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Old 02-26-2018, 10:37 PM   #109
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Back up from 2015. Is anyone planting trees? I've a got dozens of acorns and persimmons seeds stratifying in the fridge. This will be my 1st year to try my luck at growing them from acorns. I had some luck with persimmons growing last year, but lost a lot in the late summer when I forget to water them enough. I also just ordered a dozen seedlings from Nativ nurseries to plant.
I have had very limited growing saplings that I have planted without a watering system. Persimmons grow really well. All planted by the Animals in their poop

But the burr oak saplings I dug up have done well on their own.
Live oak acorns have done well. As long as you are planning on long term.
I have a 20 year old live oak from an acorn that is as big as your waist.
My experience is in the sandy/clay soil of Leon county. Fertilized and limed with mulch around the bases.
Everything must be caged where the deer canít nip the limb tips. Bug And tall cages with small openings in the wire.
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:25 AM   #110
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Old 04-16-2018, 01:30 AM   #111
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How far South with white oaks grow? Is South Texas too hot for them? I understand they will need additional water, as rain fall down South is not enough. Just wondering if they would survive the heat of the summers.
Our soil is too alkaline. They require acidic soil. But you can find hybrids between white oaks and bur oaks for sale, and they can tolerate our alkaline soil. These often go by the name "Bebbs Oak"
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Old 04-16-2018, 04:22 AM   #112
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I've grown trees b4 but not those kind
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Old 04-16-2018, 07:22 PM   #113
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I do a lot of tree planting, but have been having more trouble with Post Oaks than I have with any of the other species I've grown before. Specifically, I've never had animals jump so many hurdles to eat any of the other species I've grown. Everything wants to kill them. Even mice and rats were going through and over the cages I put around them to stop the deer, hogs, and rabbits from eating them. Now I have to use mesh wire for the cages and even enclose the top. This is actually why I'm planting them though. Post Oaks and other species like Bigtooth Maple are suffering from extremely low recruitment of seedlings because they're getting eaten. Primarily by the deer, whose populations are arguably at an all time high.
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:41 PM   #114
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I started my acorns in flower trays on the back porch after leaving them in the refrigerator all winter.

Then transfer to small pots. Seems to be working pretty good at this point. Especially since removing the squirrel that was digging some up everyday. Red, bur and live oaks. Not sure how they will do through the summer, but hoping to have 50-75% survive to plant in the ground this winter.





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Old 05-16-2018, 02:52 PM   #115
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Question for the nerds... What type of Oaks to plant?
In Edwards Co.
I had the crew that put my septic dig (rock hammer) some tree holes (4'dia and 4'deep).
I figured i would bring in some quality soil and water everyday with a timer.
Should I plant 35 gallon trees?
What says ye?
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Old 05-16-2018, 02:58 PM   #116
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I planted Texas Ebony seeds from my lease about 4 years ago. They are about 2-3' tall now. I took a knife and put a small chip in the seed and soaked in water for 24 hours. Then planted.
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Old 05-16-2018, 04:48 PM   #117
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I started my acorns in flower trays on the back porch after leaving them in the refrigerator all winter.

Then transfer to small pots. Seems to be working pretty good at this point. Especially since removing the squirrel that was digging some up everyday. Red, bur and live oaks. Not sure how they will do through the summer, but hoping to have 50-75% survive to plant in the ground this winter.





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I had 36 that looked just like those in black buckets last year. 1 squirrel ate all but 6 in one day. I shot him from the kitchen table. And the 6 survivor are doing well this spring. Hope to plant this fall (moisture permitting).
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Old 05-17-2018, 12:00 PM   #118
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Old 06-29-2018, 02:25 AM   #119
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Question for the nerds... What type of Oaks to plant?
In Edwards Co.
I had the crew that put my septic dig (rock hammer) some tree holes (4'dia and 4'deep).
I figured i would bring in some quality soil and water everyday with a timer.
Should I plant 35 gallon trees?
What says ye?
If you're going to have a reliable water source on a timer, and if you're going to fill a hole that big with good dirt, then you have a lot of options. If the primary purpose is attracting wildlife, then you might want to choose Chinquapins. If the purpose is aesthetics/shade near your house, then probably Burr Oaks. But again, many options.
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Old 07-05-2018, 10:04 AM   #120
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love this thread, have grown several from acorns.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:29 PM   #121
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I am a plant nerd also. I am also a trained wetland delineator, professional wetland scientist so I must know most of my plant species. I will give you guys that like to plant trees some very useful information. The USDA plant database has every plant in North America, https://plants.sc.egov.usda.gov/java/

If you look up a plant species, say Quercus Alba (white oak), look at the "wetland status", you will see it is Facultative upland. That classification means it needs dry soil to grow. The different classification are below.

Obligate (100 % grows in wet soils only)
Facultative Wetland (75 % mostly wet soils)
Facultative (50 % wet and dry soils) (grows anywhere) (**** Chicken trees!)
Facultative upland (75 % in dry)
Upland (100 % dry soil)

You can determine where to plant a particular species on your property by the preference of their wetland tolerance. It is very accurate. Hope this helps you.
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Old 09-13-2019, 11:47 AM   #122
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Cool Thread...ttt
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Old 09-15-2019, 07:48 PM   #123
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Has anyone grown Sawtooth oaks from acorns?
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:00 AM   #124
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Doing some this year, FIL has a tree and so does his neighbor, also one down the street from me at a Walmart. Going weekly to check for dropping acorns.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:54 AM   #125
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I've got 2 chinquapin oaks in the backyard now that I've been growing from acorns. I like this thread.
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Old 09-16-2019, 08:36 PM   #126
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Doing some this year, FIL has a tree and so does his neighbor, also one down the street from me at a Walmart. Going weekly to check for dropping acorns.
My Sawtooths stared dropping acorns last week. Managed to pickup 24 acorns to pot. Ground is bare under the trees from all the deer activity.
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Old 09-16-2019, 09:14 PM   #127
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Old 09-16-2019, 10:39 PM   #128
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I've got 2 chinquapin oaks in the backyard now that I've been growing from acorns. I like this thread.
Best oak imo to plant for deer, member of white oak family and produces acorns in 5 to 6 years or so. Will be doing a ton of these this year.
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Best oak imo to plant for deer, member of white oak family and produces acorns in 5 to 6 years or so. Will be doing a ton of these this year.
Keep us posted. I have a bunch of acorns on my tree planted in the yard. I'm gona plant as many as I can this year
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I pulled and potted all the bur oaks out of the garden bed. These came from acorns we collected last fall. Couldnít believe how long the roots are. I had to flood the ground to loosen them up and still broke off a few.

There are a few live oak and red oak mixed in and will be planting all later this fall/winter on my property.

Most of the trees I bought from Nativ nurseries the last 2yrs have died. Iíve had much better results growing from acorns and replanting.








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Old 10-27-2019, 05:22 PM   #131
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Been dabbling in this for a few years now, finding highly attractive species that grow in the hill country. By far two of the best tasting species of oak are the Chinquapin & Monterrey oaks. Arguably both in the top 4 all time favorite oaks for deer anywhere. And they love the alkaline soil of the hill country. Personally have had better luck with the monterrey. Both are pretty fast producers. Still need a watering system to get them established though. Our July & August make it hard for anything to stay alive.
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Most of the trees I bought from Nativ nurseries the last 2yrs have died. Iíve had much better results growing from acorns and replanting.
I have had this same experience. Wasted a few hundred dollars with those folks. Frustrating!

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awesome post.
what are all you guys doing after planting in the "wild"?
do you water, use tubes , what kind of cages, or do you just let nature decide?

thanks for all the info. learning a lot!
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I'll use tubes until I run out of them. Water when I can in the summer by hand. Growth in a tube is much better than just using a cage unless you have water available and water them regularly.
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I have had this same experience. Wasted a few hundred dollars with those folks. Frustrating!

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You will always have better luck with local genetics then from a nursery. Plant from acorns close to where you will grow them.
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Old 10-29-2019, 04:56 PM   #136
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I planted some white oak acorns in a chicken pen one year, minus the chickens. They grew 6ft in the first year. Bases were about width of your finger. The naturally fertilized soil really made them grow fast. I left 1 in the pen and it was about 15 foot in 4 years and full of acorns. All others planted around my property were still only about 3-4 foot tall.
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Lot of very helpful info on this thread. To those who know at what size/age/time of year do yall plant the trees, you grew from seedlings? Also any suggestions about what kind of oaks do best in sandy loam soil?
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awesome post.
what are all you guys doing after planting in the "wild"?
do you water, use tubes , what kind of cages, or do you just let nature decide?

thanks for all the info. learning a lot!
I have gone to what I consider 'great lengths' to keep any trees I have planted alive at my place in Kimble County. I do not have the exact survival ratio but I think that it is around 30%. I do not think that any of the trees I have bought from Mossy Oak Nativ Nurseries have survived and I have tried several years.

What I have done to give my trees a fighting chance is:

First select a planting sight that is not in the wide open. I try to put afternoon shade on the saplings.

I also have used several different types of tree tubes. The jury is still out on how much these have helped. I will say that it is a waste of time and money to use ones that ship flat and you have to roll into a tubular shape. I tried these mainly because they were a light blue color which the marketing said is good for the trees. Well when they won't maintain their shape, what good are they no matter what color they are?

I stake the tubes. I have tried several different types of stakes from bamboo to fiberglass rods to tee posts and finally I cut pieces of rebar to the length I wanted which turned out to be the most economical.

Then you have to put a cage around the tree and tube. Cattle panel is best but expensive. When in ran out of the ones I had on hand I shopped for something more economical. I settled on some welded wire that comes in long rolls from Tractor Supply but I do not recall the name or gauge. I cut A LOT of 10 foot sections and wrapped them around the saplings. These had to be staked too. I thought that they were great until that next September rolled around. I found a great buck had pulled one off with his antlers and tied himself to a cedar sapling, stinking and dead. So I spent the next several hours pulling all of those cages off my trees to save the deer and lost a year's planting. It worked though and we did not lose anymore deer to that cause. Had a game camera pic of our best up and comer with a twisted cage on his head though. Freaked my hunting partner out until we found a pic a few days later without the cage.
So use a sturdy cage because in my experience the deer are going to mess with them. May be due to the fact that I am planting pecans too.

Now, once I had the trees protected I was worried about them dying from lack of moisture out in the west central Texas hill country. I only make the trip every three to four weeks so I cannot rely on hand watering to keep them alive. I am fortunate that I have access to an almost endless supply of the 300+ gallon poly tote bins in my line of work. So I started putting watering systems on my trees. I use a hose end digital timer, like an Orbit brand, and poly tubing. I ran 1/2" trunk lines from the timer and branched off with the 1/4" tubing to a sapling. I put 3-5 trees on each tote & timer. Gravity is what fed the system so you have to lay it out with the slope in mind. Overall this has worked very well.
I bought a gasoline powered 2" clear water pump from Harbour Freight and fill a spare tote from my well. I then drag it on a trailer and use the same pump to pump it in to the totes set around my property. It takes less than 10 minutes to fill and another 10 to empty the towed tote. It takes me longer to drive from the well to the trees than it does to empty the towed tote. I try to stagger my filling so I don't have a ton of them empty all at the same time.

So it is a labor of love for me. I want big, mature pecan trees on my property some day. I call them my vertical food plot since it does not rain enough to grow good crops consistently out there without real irrigation. I also hope to get some turkeys roosting in them eventually. Long term project with long term goals. Gotta start somewhere though and every winter that I do not plant more is one more year I will not have big, mature trees in the future.

Plant as soon as your saplings go dormant for the winter (loose their leaves) up to the time whenever they start to bud out in the spring. That's the best times to plant. I'll start this weekend with my saplings I potted last winter.

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Yeah cool thread I'm trying to follow. Get it back up there!
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Old 11-02-2019, 10:59 AM   #140
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I got 200 acorns from a tree my uncle planted in his front yard 35 years ago
And I'm going to grab another 200 from a row of live oaks I see in this park.
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Old 11-11-2019, 11:49 AM   #141
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One of my friends that has a tree farm has over planted this year, or undersold last year....

Would there be an interest in seedling trees for cheap? Live oak, red oak, and few white oak. He said he will know numbers available in spring. He did not sell off as many of his larger ones last year so thinks he wont have room.
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in for pricing on Dirtymike's tree farm friends trees & info

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