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Old 03-22-2020, 08:05 PM   #51
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Are they continuing city inspections?

On my project specifically, we don’t have any city inspections due for a couple months or so.

I really don’t know what’s happening elsewhere


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Old 03-22-2020, 08:05 PM   #52
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The liability of one of your workers or subs having the virus. You have that onsite, it will close your jobsite down and fines out the you know what. Those deadlines in the build contract will be pushed back, just like our taxes and everything else.


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Old 03-22-2020, 08:05 PM   #53
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Are they continuing city inspections?
As of this past Friday, the COH committed to keeping inspections open and the permitting office open with additional precautions. Again, this too could change, but this was their position on Friday.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:07 PM   #54
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:07 PM   #55
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:08 PM   #56
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:10 PM   #57
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Go read the actual document Jenkins released. We will be working. If we stop it will be a whole new mandate with newer rules.

Only Boston has included construction. Construction still going on in NYC
My largest vendor is in NY and they are still working. They meet the essential category
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:10 PM   #58
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Just read that breweries are considered "essential" and will remain open. Jesus loves us!!

Did you actually watch it or read the order for yourself?

Judge Jenkins says restaurant and brewery can be open IF they serve take out.....

Here’s a screenshot of page 2 of the order. I highlighted the part that deals with your “concern”




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Old 03-22-2020, 08:10 PM   #59
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The liability of one of your workers or subs having the virus. You have that onsite, it will close your jobsite down and fines out the you know what. Those deadlines in the build contract will be pushed back, just like our taxes and everything else.
What fines lol. We are not required to shut down or stop essential construction workers. As long as we take precautions per OSHA and CDC we are fine.

I could see termination of an employee who elects to stay home when job was legally available to continue get ugly.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:19 PM   #60
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Silly question, will this shut down Lowe’s and McCoy’s? We are two weeks from completion on our home and still needing a bunch of fixtures.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:19 PM   #61
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If any of you thought we were still free, heres your sign.
You think this sign is big enough people might see it, and do something ?
After all this crappola is done, I think we are gonna see an unprecedented crime wave.
Broke, no job, desperate with a family.
Especially in the Metroplexs.
Probably a bunch of new laws to keep us safe and free .
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:22 PM   #62
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The liability of one of your workers or subs having the virus. You have that onsite, it will close your jobsite down and fines out the you know what. Those deadlines in the build contract will be pushed back, just like our taxes and everything else.

I still fail to see the liability? We have already implemented policies for subs to screen their employees everyday. We are screening our employees internally. We’re not having in person meetings of more than 5 people. High traffic areas are cleaned multiple times a day. And we’re not doing anything to break the law. We’re following CDC and state/local guidelines and laws.


If someone does bring it onsite, it probably will shut us down for a period of time. But we’re not gonna be fined for it. Who’s gonna fine us and on what grounds? Are they fining Whole Foods now that one of their in store employees tested positive?

As of right now, no deadlines are being pushed back as there have been no orders to stop work.


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Did you actually watch it or read the order for yourself?

Judge Jenkins says restaurant and brewery can be open IF they serve take out.....

Here’s a screenshot of page 2 of the order. I highlighted the part that deals with your “concern”




You just confirmed what I said.
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As of this past Friday, the COH committed to keeping inspections open and the permitting office open with additional precautions. Again, this too could change, but this was their position on Friday.
Dallas is saying the same currently along with some of the other suburban areas that typically follow Dallas’s lead. I’m curious to see how it plays out though city offices are typically not the “rain,sleet,or snow” mentality. Trust me I hope they will at minimum conduct business at 50%.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:23 PM   #65
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Silly question, will this shut down Lowe’s and McCoy’s? We are two weeks from completion on our home and still needing a bunch of fixtures.

No, they’ll stay open. Hardware stores are considered essential business.


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Old 03-22-2020, 08:23 PM   #66
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:24 PM   #67
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What are the cops gonna do, arrest people? LOL, that ain’t happening.
Read today that they are basically no longer responding to calls about theft.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:25 PM   #68
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Bet they do.
Hope so..but as I said to Curt that is not the norm. I have a project in Charlotte and they are currently saying 50% staffing with the possibility of shut down. IMO it is the city that’s at risk of liability.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:26 PM   #69
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Whether or not folks continuing to do business actually cause covid to spread as the # of cases in Texas go up they will face partial blame and will be the fall guy for a statewide shutdown.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:26 PM   #70
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I think I saw 1000 dollar fine and or 180 days in jail
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:26 PM   #71
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:28 PM   #72
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I truly hope you are correct, trust me brother. But I have employees not coming in to work next week (before the stay at home stuff tonight). They are union employees, and if fired them I’d be getting sued, and will lose every time.

Define essential will be the important part, and if yalls company is helping this
Pandemic, fully support you and everyone involved.

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What fines lol. We are not required to shut down or stop essential construction workers. As long as we take precautions per OSHA and CDC we are fine.

I could see termination of an employee who elects to stay home when job was legally available to continue get ugly.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:28 PM   #73
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You think this sign is big enough people might see it, and do something ?
After all this crappola is done, I think we are gonna see an unprecedented crime wave.
Broke, no job, desperate with a family.
Especially in the Metroplexs.
Probably a bunch of new laws to keep us safe and free .
Bbbbbbut its for our own good!
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:29 PM   #74
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I think I saw 1000 dollar fine and or 180 days in jail
Dang. I saw that on the Walker County one but not this one. Didnt look close enough I guess
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:31 PM   #75
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We supply materials to job sites all across the state, very high profile jobs and not one has said anything close to slow down. All our customers are masonry contractors and they all are operating at 100% no slow downs or stoppages. Keep it coming is what they tell us. I’m having a couple calls with some out of state jobs this week to check on them but everything here is moving on.


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Old 03-22-2020, 08:34 PM   #76
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I dont think construction sites will close..But how we will we get materials?

Construction is clearly listed as essential, so if GCs or owners elect to voluntary shut down sites, then who pays? Contracts are pretty clear if other party issues stop work, we still get a portion of expected profits.

This will get ugly too. FYI I dont care enough to sue or ask for profits, but not every sub contractor will feel the same way.
I deliver doors and trim to building sites. From what I understood from it, I will be working delivering material. We hopefully found out more Monday since there is a rumor that a person tested positive at another of our locations.
Wife works for Coca-Cola on Buckner. She sent her boss a text asking about it and was told to report to work like normal.
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Old 03-22-2020, 08:37 PM   #77
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I truly hope you are correct, trust me brother. But I have employees not coming in to work next week (before the stay at home stuff tonight). They are union employees, and if fired them I’d be getting sued, and will lose every time.

Define essential will be the important part, and if yalls company is helping this
Pandemic, fully support you and everyone involved.
They did define essential. Commercial and residential construction is listed.

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Old 03-22-2020, 08:44 PM   #78
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Yes I am(a major one at that). And yes we will.

Unless the client shuts us down, there is nothing telling us to shut down. Infrastructure is an essential business. There is no liability associated except for us shutting down of our own accord and then failing to meet our turnover date and then being on the hook for liquidated damages.

We aren’t cramming 600 workers into the same space. By design guys don’t work on top of each other. Plenty of space for everyone to work.

We’ve even discussed the possibility of going to shift work. Drop total manpower onsite to 1/3 yet still stay close on production.

I’ll say again, we aren’t shutting down of our own accord.


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Let me know how Monday goes, and I hope you are correct. My hourly employees who work in high rise and construction sites will hurt. I don’t want to shut down, it’s my livelihood! Quick discussion with construction lawyer today, just don’t see folks like Austin commercial, Beck, Balfour, Manhattan taking on liability.
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What’s this liability you keep speaking of?

And for the record, I’m with one of those companies.


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I work for one of these as well. We’ve implemented a rotational remote work schedule for us office guys.

Bullseye is right. And while there is the potential for liability for GCs, it will be extremely hard, virtually impossible to prove that someone was infected at the jobsite. It really is up to the Owners to stop the work. I will admit, it’s a strange industry in this sense.

I do think we have an obligation to minimize manpower and supervision to the fullest extent possible. It’s our societal responsibility to do more than the minimum to reduce the loading on our hospitals and healthcare system.
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What is the diffence in this and what we are doing now? Can you still go get food? Are restaruants still allowed to be open for to go orders or delivery? Can you leave to go elsewhere?
Not sure, but other places that have put that kind of restrictions in place will let people go get food and essential items. Everyone is warned to use hand sanitizer, and stay a distance from other people. Wife and I live in the country, we have what we need, we are not going anywhere or associating with anyone till this is over. I had terrible case of the flu many years ago, I was just a kid, had fever that made me hallucinate for nearly a week. I will go to a lot of trouble to NOT get that sick again.
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Old 03-22-2020, 09:01 PM   #82
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You think this sign is big enough people might see it, and do something ?
After all this crappola is done, I think we are gonna see an unprecedented crime wave.
Broke, no job, desperate with a family.
Especially in the Metroplexs.
Probably a bunch of new laws to keep us safe and free .
I dont totally disagree, but this is one of the few jobs govt actually has. That said, this is crap. I'm not too worried until they shutdown construction n such in the major cities. Theres a LOT of folks who rely on multiple people working in jobs like that and their areas still have crime.

Went to academy yesterday and there were alot of folks who have no business being near a gun going to buy one for their first time. And a lot who fit the profile of whom I'd be worried about losing it if they lost their jobs for a while.
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Dang. I saw that on the Walker County one but not this one. Didnt look close enough I guess
Saw it There. My bad 1000 fine could be worth it to some just to keep on trucking. Going to get interesting
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I am heading up to lake Texoma, I can catch fish to eat, to hell with all this bs.
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I don't know about Dallas, but the Houston AGC has been very proactive with the mayor and governor's office in regard to keeping construction going. Daily meetings with the GCs that we work for, a couple you mention above, have no plans, as of Friday, to voluntarily stop construction. That may soon change, but I'd be somewhat surprised. Again, I don't think it will be voluntary.

Also, you know GC's have no liability......they pass all that **** down to subs like me.
Residential and commercial builder/GC here.

We have always carried liability. And I require every subcontractor to carry it as well. If not, the penalty is 8% off every approved invoice.
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Houston and Conroe still are. Permit submitting is now online.
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Residential and commercial builder/GC here.

We have always carried liability. And I require every subcontractor to carry it as well. If not, the penalty is 8% off every approved invoice.
Dont think Curt is talking about typical GL.
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You think this sign is big enough people might see it, and do something ?
After all this crappola is done, I think we are gonna see an unprecedented crime wave.
Broke, no job, desperate with a family.
Especially in the Metroplexs.
Probably a bunch of new laws to keep us safe and free .
Like the Patriot Act
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Old 03-22-2020, 10:37 PM   #93
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They haven’t shut down any of our pipeline jobs yet statewide.Some of the gas companies are mentioning us as contractors to sign an affidavit saying we haven’t been out of the country lately or been around anyone sick,I haven’t seen one of the affidavits yet but I’m kicking off a new project tomorrow and we’ll see.The company I work for is having all office personal work from home and cutting our big safety meetings out and just having crew tailgate meetings.They are also telling employees if anyone they are around at home shows signs of being sick they have to take 14 days off and get a dr note to return.As far as Pipeliners go though I’m sure the Covid19 is about the lamest virus or disease they need to worry about catching 😂
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Anybody know how this will be enforced??

I feel like my fire dept ID is about to come in real handy...
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Construction may be allowed but if it’s in office buildings and they are closed then it will be shut down. It will be interesting tomorrow to here from some of the GC’s and see how this plays out. I sent my guys to the office to work there tomorrow until we here something.
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What fines lol. We are not required to shut down or stop essential construction workers. As long as we take precautions per OSHA and CDC we are fine.



I could see termination of an employee who elects to stay home when job was legally available to continue get ugly.
What construction are you doing that's essential?

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Old 03-23-2020, 12:06 AM   #98
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Your next beer may or may not, taste like hand sanitizer.
I'm not planning on ordering one of them IPeeA's, so it's unlikely.

The list of "essential" industries is overly broad and will be narrowed, just watch.
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Old 03-23-2020, 05:25 AM   #99
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I heard you can still go outside to exercise, so you will see me kayak fishing grapevine Friday.
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Old 03-23-2020, 06:08 AM   #100
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As a part of the Defense Industrial Base, we're still working as usual. And we are in Dallas.
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