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Old 05-26-2017, 07:44 PM   #51
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https://www.infoplease.com/world/us-...new-orleans-la
2010 census population (rank):
White: 113,428 (33.0%); Black: 206,871 (60.2%);


Yeah, OK.
When a majority of Blacks vote to keep a statue up of a white man that fought to keep their great-grandparents enslaved and without rights and not being able to drink from the same water fountain as a white man you let me know.

Referendum would have been nothing more than a formality.

What are you going to do when gay marriage and smoking weed gets put up for a vote in Texas and PASSES?
You can't hide from numbers.


There was no vote. I dont care about your predictions. Show me where the people decided. You cant because they didnt.


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Old 05-26-2017, 07:45 PM   #52
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To say the civil war was about states rights and not slavery is foolish at best.


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Old 05-26-2017, 07:48 PM   #53
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Some folks need to do a little reading up in history.


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Old 05-26-2017, 08:13 PM   #54
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To say the civil war was about states rights and not slavery is foolish at best.
It was about State's Rights (to keep slavery in tact).

https://www.civilwar.org/learn/articles/civil-war-facts

Q. What caused the Civil War?

While many still debate the ultimate causes of the Civil War, Pulitzer Prize-winning author James McPherson writes that, "The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries."
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:11 PM   #55
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Yes states rights to keep slavery was one of the issues but not the biggest issue, at least not what led to war. Money was a huge factor as well. The South had almost all of it and the north didn't. Europe was paying top dollar for cotton (it was the oil of its time). One by one as the states succeeded the money to the government dwindled. Federal government offered up the Corwin amendment. Look that up
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:33 PM   #56
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One by one as the states succeeded the money to the government dwindled.


This gives me tired head. What does this mean?
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:31 PM   #57
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This thread has kind of gotten off topic. Wasn't meant to debate what the real reasons the Civil War was fought, but what did everyone feel about the removal of statues and monuments to those that supported the Southern cause. And like many things in today's world it reveals great division among us.
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Old 08-22-2017, 12:55 PM   #58
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... There was no referendum vote to do it was there? Research it and get back to me troll

Youd do better on here without using insults to try and make a point. Youll find me and most on here not agreeable with that.


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So what are we doing about the statues that UT brought down And relocated without a vote?

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Old 08-22-2017, 02:26 PM   #59
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Antagonist Alert!!!
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Old 08-22-2017, 04:32 PM   #60
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the Dallas mayor said they will be taken down in Dallas soon. What's next? If they think these morons are gonna stop protesting **** when they're removed then they(politicians) are naive morons themselves.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:28 AM   #61
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That was the case and it should have went to the polls. Now with that being said, if it had went to the polls it would have went down in flames as the city is approaching 62% descendants of slaves! The Mayor did this unilaterally as he has other political aspirations in the future......total political BS!


Not necessarily. What you didn't see on the media was blacks saying on local stations that this was not what they wanted. These statues are part of NO history. They grew up in these parks seeing these statues. They were not an issue until OUTSIDE influences made them one, and this political hack of a mayor jumped on. It as a media attention platform for his future senatorial run.
As for blacks wanting this, national polls show the majority of them DONT. Google it. Polls even from NPR show that.
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Old 08-25-2017, 11:51 AM   #62
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Not necessarily. What you didn't see on the media was blacks saying on local stations that this was not what they wanted. These statues are part of NO history. They grew up in these parks seeing these statues. They were not an issue until OUTSIDE influences made them one, and this political hack of a mayor jumped on. It as a media attention platform for his future senatorial run.
As for blacks wanting this, national polls show the majority of them DONT. Google it. Polls even from NPR show that.
Being from there we don't give a crap either way. Just a person on a horse thst no one notices......ever! But, if at the polls ......"with a spotlight"......I submit it would geaux down in flames. If it was just local it was a non issue as u noted.

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Old 08-25-2017, 12:21 PM   #63
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I have it on good authority that Nola is going to have a new mayor before too long.
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Old 08-25-2017, 12:56 PM   #64
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I have it on good authority that Nola is going to have a new mayor before too long.


You are correct. Using millions to remove statues in the dead of night, while neglecting to fix pumps that he knew were broken in a city that depends on PUMPS TO STAY ABOVE WATER is a big feauxpas as we say over here. Even after millions of federal dollars poured into NO, a decade of nothing. It's a cycle of disaster relief that never stops.
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Old 08-25-2017, 03:09 PM   #65
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The concept of a monument is to pay tribute to a person, place, or thing. A monument to a Civil War general is in essence hailing them as heros. Many simply don't see it that way. The Civil War was fought for state's rights, but also was fought over slavery. The south wanted to keep the institution of slavery intact. Therefore, the people who fought for the south were in part fighting for slavery.

I don't think this is a matter of erasing history so much as determining which parts of history and what historic figures best represent the general population. NO has a lot of black residents and they certainly aren't that interested in celebrating people that fought to keep their ancestors as slaves. There are of course exceptions, and this is only about generalities.

I grew up in the south and have many ancestors who fought for the Confederacy. Many of my relatives are still butt-hurt over losing it.

The Civil War and the actions/ thoughts that led up to it are an important part of our history and it has been well documented in history books and is still debated today. But, when it comes to monuments, there should be some rights for the locals to decide who should be celebrated and who should not.

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I agree the community should have a say in it but for a bunch of hoodlums to come in and tear them down because of what they think should be done and what they want is a crime and they should be prosecuted.

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Old 08-25-2017, 04:10 PM   #66
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Hurricane barreling down an ya... but hey, let's spend $$ on removing statues... critical drainage pumps be ****ed.

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Old 08-25-2017, 04:15 PM   #67
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I have it on good authority that Nola is going to have a new mayor before too long.
Heck.....his term is up. ...lol.

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