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Old 07-09-2017, 09:38 PM   #1
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I ordered a 6.5 Grendel from GrendelHunter.com about 3 months ago. I bought some Hornady Black 123 ELD-M ammo from academy because they were sold out of the sst ammo at the time(they still don't have any!), and I was dying to try the rifle out. So I zeroed it at 100 yards. It shot FANTASTIC with this ammo. 3 inch group at 600 yds. So I bought a bunch more of it. So I started doing some research online. I read on a private page(I forgot to screen shot it, and now I can't find it again) that the 123 ELD-M is the same exact bullet construction as the 123 SST including the interlocking ring it just has the heat shield tip. The guy said that this is the only ELD-M like this. He said that Hornady couldn't get the bullets to stabilize so they just changed the tip on the sst. Has anyone here heard anything like this? Has anyone shot anything with this bullet?
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Old 07-09-2017, 09:59 PM   #2
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No.... interesting i have same upper (18") and both loads eld-m and sst in 123 gr.

What are the specs on your upper?


Plenty of it online

http://ammoseek.com/ammo/6.5mm-grendel/-rifle-123grains


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Old 07-09-2017, 10:10 PM   #3
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So I started doing some research online. I read on a private page (I forgot to screen shot it, and now I can't find it again) that the 123 ELD-M is the same exact bullet construction as the 123 SST including the interlocking ring it just has the heat shield tip. The guy said that this is the only ELD-M like this. He said that Hornady couldn't get the bullets to stabilize so they just changed the tip on the sst. Has anyone here heard anything like this? Has anyone shot anything with this bullet?
Why not call Hornady and ask to speak with their head ballistician ? I've called dozens of times and have always recv'd answers to many of my questions.

Lonnie Hummel was my "go to" contact ; however he retired several yrs ago. I'm sure someone will be able to help you with bullet construction and load data
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Old 07-09-2017, 10:20 PM   #4
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I don't think the sst has the "heat shield tip" I did read that Hornady was testing and couldn't figure out why there data was showing some strange results. They determined that the tip was melting.
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Old 07-10-2017, 09:39 AM   #5
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I just bought the same hornady, going to try it out on some hogs hopefully in the next couple weeks.

I'll let you know how it goes.
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Old 07-10-2017, 10:43 AM   #6
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I just bought the same hornady, going to try it out on some hogs hopefully in the next couple weeks.

I'll let you know how it goes.
Please do
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Old 07-11-2017, 01:45 AM   #7
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That Hornady black will be just fine for killing. I love my 6.5G.
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Old 07-11-2017, 02:50 AM   #8
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Just got my first 6.5 on Sunday. Can't wait to shoot it.
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Old 07-11-2017, 06:30 PM   #9
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LOVE the Grendel...one of our best shooters in the AR platform!!
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Old 07-11-2017, 08:47 PM   #10
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Go to www.65grendel.com
There's a guy there that has tested the H black ammo on hogs. Some good, some not so good. The ELD-M bullet doesn't have the interlock ring like the SST. It was/is basically an Amax bullet with a different tip. A LOT of people had good luck killing game with the Amax bullet, so, the H black with the ELD-M bullet will probably work, but shot placement, as always, is key.
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Old 07-11-2017, 09:15 PM   #11
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After all the bullets I have tried I have settled on the 120 NBT.

As luck would have it.......it flies right with the 120gr SMK.......same exact load.......same exact POI......same accuracy.
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Old 07-12-2017, 12:09 AM   #12
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Go to www.65grendel.com
There's a guy there that has tested the H black ammo on hogs. Some good, some not so good. The ELD-M bullet doesn't have the interlock ring like the SST. It was/is basically an Amax bullet with a different tip. A LOT of people had good luck killing game with the Amax bullet, so, the H black with the ELD-M bullet will probably work, but shot placement, as always, is key.


And that is why people should leave the match bullets for paper and steel. They may work on game some of the time, maybe even most of the time. But I'm not willing to risk it when there are proven reliable hunting bullets available.


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Old 07-12-2017, 06:50 AM   #13
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I had also read/researched and believed the ELD-M was a replacment for the AMAX

I shoot some ELD-X in my .308. I believe this has the ring and woudl be closet to the SST although the ELD-X would have the heat shield tip.
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Old 07-12-2017, 06:55 AM   #14
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And that is why people should leave the match bullets for paper and steel. They may work on game some of the time, maybe even most of the time. But I'm not willing to risk it when there are proven reliable hunting bullets available.


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Old 07-25-2017, 06:32 PM   #15
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OP have you tried the Federal Fusion MSR


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Old 07-25-2017, 06:36 PM   #16
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After all the bullets I have tried I have settled on the 120 NBT.

As luck would have it.......it flies right with the 120gr SMK.......same exact load.......same exact POI......same accuracy.
The same thing happened to me with these 2 bullets. Makes life so easy.
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Old 07-30-2017, 02:42 PM   #17
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No. It has a terrible BC
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Old 07-31-2017, 12:05 PM   #18
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I load my own with Lupua cases, NBT. Very accurate and kill game on contact.
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Old 10-29-2017, 12:45 PM   #19
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Saw this on midway’s site.


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Old 10-29-2017, 01:02 PM   #20
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The 6.5 SST and the ELD-M ARE NOT THE SAME BULLET. The ELD-M is a match bullet NOT A HUNTING BULLET. I called Hornady and verified.

The 6.5 SST ammo is readily available online and actually cheaper than buying at Academy.
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Old 10-29-2017, 09:48 PM   #21
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Quite a few bullets will work for the Grendel for hunting but the most used and tested is the Hornasy 123gr SST, some other good bullets from Alexander Arms are very good. If you reload there are lots of other choices, this year I will be using 129gr Long Range Accubonds loaded to right at 2500fps.

For some good information on the Grendel bullet selection for hunting get the second volume of the Grendel handbook form http://www.arbuildbox.com the guys that wrote it put a lot of effort into those books.


I got a good deal on a bunch of 129 Nosler Long Range Accubonds that are loaded up for this year to try.
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:47 PM   #22
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Quite a few bullets will work for the Grendel for hunting but the most used and tested is the Hornasy 123gr SST, some other good bullets from Alexander Arms are very good. If you reload there are lots of other choices, this year I will be using 129gr Long Range Accubonds loaded to right at 2500fps.

For some good information on the Grendel bullet selection for hunting get the second volume of the Grendel handbook form http://www.arbuildbox.com the guys that wrote it put a lot of effort into those books.


I got a good deal on a bunch of 129 Nosler Long Range Accubonds that are loaded up for this year to try.
How are these LRABs working for you? My grendel doesnt like the SST very well (loves the ELDM though) and im looking for another hunting bullet
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:18 PM   #23
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they shoot very good, just have to get something legal to cooperate to test out on game. As to the myth about bonded bullets not opening at Grendel velocities in another thread I posted a pic from another location showing a grey fox shot with one. Big exit hole on a small critter. On hogs one guy that shoots a lot of hogs said almost all exited and there were large permanent wound channels. That bullet you have to be careful seating and use a VLD seating stem or you might crumple it, the front jacket is that thin with real thick back on the shank to stop expansion.

Here is the grey fox pic that was posted on another forum




Nosler reloading data lists the accurate load for the bullet at I was told 30.6gr CFE223 which is what I had settled on before reading they even had data published
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:26 PM   #24
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Old 11-13-2017, 11:39 PM   #25
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Couple hog videos from Brian using the 6.5 Grendel on hogs/pigs. Subscribe to Brian's channel for lots of videos of hogs being taken out with the Grendel. He switched to it a few years ago from the 308, as he says yes you can tell the difference when doing a necropsy but there is still plenty of damage to kill hogs dead from the Grendel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZnFKYxgbCMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=RoLuYE1n4pU

The write up he did on the boar, the bullet went through heart, at least one lung and into the guts. The hog did squeal which indicates some air in the lungs but on opening the chest cavity most of the lungs were mush or pieces. I think the bullet went through the heart and one lung with secondary projectiles hitting the second lung and compression helped tear that lung apart when it squealed the one time, it having been damaged by secondary projectiles.

How many heart shot boars that weigh 225 drop on the spot with any rifle. let alone the little GRR

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