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Old 11-05-2017, 03:23 PM   #1
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The .22-250 thread has me wondering the same about .223 shooting 62 gr Fusions. Shots will be less than 100 yards.

My original notion was for my son to take a high shoulder shot, which should damage at least 1 shoulder, lungs and cause shock to the central nervous system and possibly trauma to the aorta. But itís gotta punch through the on-side shoulder blade to do this. Assuming it does, should be effective.

Of should I have him aim right behind the shoulder for straight lungs, top area of the heart?

Iím not expecting and exit wound and blood trail on either spot, but the high shoulder seems like better odds of dropping it quickly.

FTR- no neck shots, Iím afraid the risk of just tissue damage and not hitting the spine or artery.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:30 PM   #2
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Shot a big 9 acouple years ago with barnes tsx, I think they were 55gr., high shoulder. Dropped on the spot. With an exit. No blood on either side.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:32 PM   #3
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If your kid is a shooter then let him shoot to his abilities. My kids both shoot just in front of the shoulders in the neck. When they were much younger they shot just behind shoulder above the pocket. That TSX bullet will probably have an exit and blood.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:38 PM   #4
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If your kid is a shooter then let him shoot to his abilities. My kids both shoot just in front of the shoulders in the neck. When they were much younger they shot just behind shoulder above the pocket. That TSX bullet will probably have an exit and blood.
He shoots ok for his age, 2-2.5Ē groups at 100 yards, and he will Be shooting off of a Caldwell deadshot. But I know nerves are going to play into this, just want to take the highest percentage shot possible.

Cover isnít terrible and I have a dog to help wind a corpse, but would prefer a dead deer in sight
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:58 PM   #5
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I have shot a lot of does and cull bucks up to 3 yrs old with Remington 55 grain using the high/point of the shoulder shot for years. There are better bullets but that one has worked well for me. The closer the shot the better also. I would think with the TSX bullet you will no problems.
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:04 PM   #6
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The heart/lungs area is larger than a dinner plate and kills every time.
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:04 PM   #7
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I don’t think Federal Fusions have the Barnes TSX bullets, they are a bonded Fusion projectile
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Old 11-05-2017, 04:09 PM   #8
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Double lunged a 35'' 260lbs. Axis 223 62gr. Hornady ran 40yds.

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Old 11-05-2017, 04:10 PM   #9
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Daughter is shooting Hornady American whitetail 60 gr. Hopefully we will report back later with what a behind the shoulder shot does
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:51 AM   #10
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Old 11-06-2017, 10:55 AM   #11
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Put it through both shoulders

223’s don’t leave much of a blood trail.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:40 AM   #12
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I haven't shot any with the fusion but have shot several with the old trophy bonded bear claw and nosler partitions. the trophy bonded usually exited and the partitions have all exited on broadside shots be it high shoulder or through the lungs. I would expect the fusion bullets to work well for them be it a high shoulder or lung shot, might get an exit or might not though but that bullet in the vitals I expect a dead deer pretty quickly.
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Old 11-06-2017, 11:55 AM   #13
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Straight up the leg gets the heart and lungs.
With a bow or any gun from a .22 LR on up, they can not live without lungs.
I shot this one with a muzzle loader but it shows the spot
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:34 PM   #14
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The heart/lungs area is larger than a dinner plate and kills every time.
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Old 11-06-2017, 12:57 PM   #15
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My first five or so deer when I was young and starting hunting were probably shot with .223 using heavy grained specialty bullets. To practice my dad would take me to shoot at a life size paper deer target. To make the shooting easier for me my dad told me to aim between the middle and back edge of the shoulder (gave me a big aim/kill zone to be confident). Just about every deer was shot right through the shoulder blades with an exit hole, recovered every one of them within 0-60 yards.
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Old 11-06-2017, 01:58 PM   #16
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My first five or so deer when I was young and starting hunting were probably shot with .223 using heavy grained specialty bullets. To practice my dad would take me to shoot at a life size paper deer target. To make the shooting easier for me my dad told me to aim between the middle and back edge of the shoulder (gave me a big aim/kill zone to be confident). Just about every deer was shot right through the shoulder blades with an exit hole, recovered every one of them within 0-60 yards.
Good to know. I’m probably way over thinking this (I have that tendency). Kid hasn’t missed the 8” target @ 100 yds in probably 150-200 straight shots spread out over 3 shooting sessions. I think I was hoping/expecting him to be shooting 2-3+” groups consistently. But he can for sure put it in a space smaller than the vitals consistently

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Old 11-06-2017, 02:16 PM   #17
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I'd go get the hornady black hollow points. 75 grain. Shoot him straight up the leg in the shoulder. 75 grainers have been THUMPING stuff for me.
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Old 11-06-2017, 02:39 PM   #18
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With a cup/core bullet Iíd put it through the heart/lungs. They canít go far if they canít breathe.


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Old 11-06-2017, 02:43 PM   #19
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I've killed many deer with a .222 & .223 shooting for the heart/lungs. As mentioned, some don't bleed much externally, but they never run more than 40 or so yards
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:37 AM   #20
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is where I shoot 'em with a .223. I use the Winchester 64 gr. Power Point and as siad above, they never run more than 30-40 yards.
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Old 11-07-2017, 09:56 AM   #21
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I let one of my old girlfriends shoot a buck with my 223 using the 64gr Winchester loads. She got him right behind the shoulder and he went all off 15 feet. I have shot some with that 223 but I used 75 grain ammo for the energy and they shoot very well out of that rifle. Where Buff's pic shows the hole is where I would say to go for maybe a hair lower but right in the "V".
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:16 AM   #22
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I have had these two pictures on my phone for years to show kids in the stand where they need to aim and most all have started out with 223 and 62 gr Fusions or 60gr Partitions. Put those bullets in those spots and you're golden.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:38 AM   #23
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I have had these two pictures on my phone for years to show kids in the stand where they need to aim and most all have started out with 223 and 62 gr Fusions or 60gr Partitions. Put those bullets in those spots and you're golden.
Thanks saving both of these.

I made a booklet for my son with images of the vital area and then a dozen broadside pics of deer. He took a marker and marked his aiming spot. It also had a series of quartering to/away images and pics of deer running and he had to decide shoot/donít shoot
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Thanks saving both of these.

I made a booklet for my son with images of the vital area and then a dozen broadside pics of deer. He took a marker and marked his aiming spot. It also had a series of quartering to/away images and pics of deer running and he had to decide shoot/donít shoot
That a great idea, my daughter is getting ready to kill a deer this season and she will be using a .223 as well
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Old 11-13-2017, 07:51 PM   #25
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He made it count, little over 50 yards, barely able to peel out before she collapsed!

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Old 11-13-2017, 08:11 PM   #26
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Put it through both shoulders

223ís donít leave much of a blood trail.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:28 PM   #27
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He made it count, little over 50 yards, barely able to peel out before she collapsed!
Congrats to the young man, that's awesome! Dilly...Dilly!
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:29 PM   #28
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Looks like he did well! Congrats to you both!

Gotta a little guy were trying to do the same with a .223 and deer #1. How old is he?
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:33 PM   #29
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Sierra game kings in 65 grains do a great job behind the shoulder or neck.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:34 PM   #30
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Heck yeah! He sure looks happy.
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Old 11-13-2017, 08:39 PM   #31
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Nice work!
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:23 PM   #32
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Heck yeah! Congrats yíall.


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Sierra game kings in 65 grains do a great job behind the shoulder or neck.


Yes they do!
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:26 PM   #34
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Great job Dad & Little Man!!
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Awesome!!!!!

Congrats to yíall.
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congrats! .223 is more than enough for him. again wayda go young man!
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:43 PM   #37
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my son shot his first two deer with that bullet out of a savage 223. both were behind shoulder for double lung shots. both der ran no more than 30 yards. second deer was a four year old buck.
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Looks like he did well! Congrats to you both!

Gotta a little guy were trying to do the same with a .223 and deer #1. How old is he?
He is 9 and got the gun last Christmas. We shot a little through the year and ramped it up the last month plus. I finally got him a Caldwell Deadshot fieldpod, and it worked great
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Old 11-13-2017, 09:57 PM   #39
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If I could use mine I would use it.
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Old 11-18-2017, 11:52 PM   #40
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We got it done w the .223 this evening! Perfect shot.
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