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Old 09-14-2017, 09:36 AM   #1
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Default What to do when the numbers just don't add up?

My lease mate shot a really nice buck on opening day last year. He finally got around to getting in the hands of a guy to have it scored. The guy is an older gentleman from our area and is an official BC scorer. My buddy shot this deer with a bow. Well the score came back and he called me very disappointed. I was too to say the least. I said you're not supposed to shop scores, but in this case I told him to find a P&Y scorer and have it re-done. The BC guy came up with 140 and change gross and 114 and change net! Am I missing something here? I guess him to be low to mid 160's easy. What do you all think he will score and should he have him re-scored to see if he will be a P&Y book deer? I'd be interested to know what others think.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:41 AM   #2
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I've given up on P&Y and B&C. I'd have him scored for SCI.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:42 AM   #3
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personally I would not care what the numbers said as that is an AWESOME buck! I could see his gross typical score being 140", but his gross non-typical score is considerably higher than that.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:42 AM   #4
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It would be interesting to see that guys score sheet.

He is way off in his assessment.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:43 AM   #5
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He shot the buck, hopefully, because it got his heart racing.
If he's "score shopping", I think he's hunting for the wrong reason.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:43 AM   #6
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Did your buddy get the sheet ? It isn't hard to measure it yourself . It's a main frame 8 with around 10-12 " of extras.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:45 AM   #7
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Nets are for fishing.....

That being said, I'm not sure about the gross but he does seem to have a lot of deductions for symmetry. But then again that's what P&Y and B&C use as a basis.....which is a load of crap.
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He's not score shopping. It was his first bow buck. First time he had actually seen the buck live and it was on opening day. Lots of firsts and would like to know if it makes P&Y just to top off the whole experience. It was an awesome day for him.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:46 AM   #9
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I see 140+ without a doubt with that mass. Maybe up to 150-153
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:47 AM   #10
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He shot the buck, hopefully, because it got his heart racing.
If he's "score shopping", I think he's hunting for the wrong reason.
I believe he was referring to "score shopping" as in having it scored again by someone else.

Regardless, I know what you meant and I agree with you 100%. Too much emphasis is on "numbers" these days. Sure, it's nice to know but in no way is it something to revolve hunting around IMO.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:48 AM   #11
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Who cares what it scores. That is cool looking buck
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:49 AM   #12
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I just did the math...actually he may be right.

I'd still like to see the score sheet.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:50 AM   #13
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looks like a lot of mass there to me I believe he will make p&y my self nice deer , great deer
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:51 AM   #14
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If you get it scored by another it will confirm your thoughts either way
Either the guys accurate on his score or not
What would it hurt to have a second person score it, and don't tell them what previous numbers are to see what they come up with
Either way it looks like a great deer , don't get worried or base your success on score numbers or you'll prob not enjoy your hunting success as much as if you just take the deer you like

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Old 09-14-2017, 09:51 AM   #15
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I'd get a second opinion. nothing wrong with making sure
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:53 AM   #16
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if he has no plans to enter in the book and simply would like to know what he scored then why not get a second score on it? I think the intent of no "score shopping" was for book entry. If he simply wants to know then why not? If the second score is significantly different than the first then there obviously was a problem with one of them. If it is close to the first then there you go. Either way, he should do whatever makes him happy.
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Old 09-14-2017, 09:55 AM   #17
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Ive never scored a deer. Thats a buck of a lifetime low fence non protein pet project
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:01 AM   #18
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Why don't y'all just score him yourself and see what you get?
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:09 AM   #19
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That's a non-typical rack so I can definitely see the deductions. Scored as a non-typical you don't do deductions. But it takes more to make the book as a non-typical.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:15 AM   #20
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I think he might be right on score. The deer in my avatar scored 164 and change with 7" of that being off of the back bases that you can't see.

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Old 09-14-2017, 10:15 AM   #21
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I could see his scores being correct for Gross and Net Typical. They will be higher for Gross and Net Non-typical.

He is one of those deer that has a lot of character and the score sheet doesn’t reflect how big he looks.

He is a great looking buck.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:18 AM   #22
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That's a non-typical rack so I can definitely see the deductions. Scored as a non-typical you don't do deductions. But it takes more to make the book as a non-typical.
You still have deducts on a non-typical frame. Evidentally he's not big enough to make it as a NT....and all the deducts just kill him as a TYP. Very nice deer though. Congrats to your buddy.

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Old 09-14-2017, 10:27 AM   #23
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That's a non-typical rack so I can definitely see the deductions. Scored as a non-typical you don't do deductions. But it takes more to make the book as a non-typical.
There are still deductions for the Typical portion of the rack on a Non-typical deer.

I would like to see how scorers determine the typical portion of the rack on freaks like the Mark Lee, Robert Taylor and AJ Downs bucks.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:33 AM   #24
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Why don't y'all just score him yourself and see what you get?
x2 and call it a day. No need being worked up over a number not being what you want.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:35 AM   #25
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I cant see why anyone would allow a score to determine whether or not they are happy with a kill.
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Old 09-14-2017, 10:44 AM   #26
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You still have deducts on a non-typical frame. Evidentally he's not big enough to make it as a NT....and all the deducts just kill him as a TYP. Very nice deer though. Congrats to your buddy.
He is very happy to have harvested this buck. He's not obsessed with the score but want to know and will enter it if it makes it. He just wants to be sure. We will put a tape to it. I may be wrong in my assumption. I don't think he has enough NT to not make a TYP score minimum. We'll see. He is going to get him re-scored next week. Interesting perspectives on here and it seems most folks as my friend is, are more interested in the uniqueness and personal trophy aspect of it more that the score.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:02 AM   #27
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Numbers don't match at all to me. It wouldn't be the first time someone missed a score either. I tried to be pretty conservative, but my numbers are this.



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Old 09-14-2017, 11:07 AM   #28
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Numbers don't match at all to me. It wouldn't be the first time someone missed a score either. I tried to be pretty conservative, but my numbers are this.



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Thanks for the opinion. I agree with you.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:12 AM   #29
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Thanks for the opinion. I agree with you.


I agree with the "the numbers shouldn't matter" crowd to a degree. I'm sure when that buck walked out your buddy wasn't running numbers on a calculator trying to decide if he was a shooter or not. That said, when he's on the tailgate and pictures are being shared, you want to know what he scores. Hell, I want to know what he scores lol. I'd take it to another official scorer even if that score wasn't able to be submitted for whatever reason.

I went years making sure my entire set up was P&Y legit so that when I did kill one I could enter him in the books. I was kind of obsessed with it. I've killed a bunch of them now and don't have a single one entered in the books.


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Old 09-14-2017, 11:12 AM   #30
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It's a great buck no matter the score and it sure looks good on the wall. Considering the fact that he took him with a bow it makes the buck even more impressive. I would be very proud to have that deer on my wall. Congratulations to the hunter.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:13 AM   #31
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I see 32" of mass give or take. I see 21-22" main beams. I see 18" inside, giving a down score of 93-94". I see 8 and 8.25" G2s. 6.25" and 5" G3s and 2.5-3" G1s, bringing him up to 133ish. I see 13-14" of abnormal points, bringing a gross total to 146-147ish.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:28 AM   #32
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I cant see why anyone would allow a score to determine whether or not they are happy with a kill.
Well you're not everyone. If it makes the hunter happy to have a book deer, then good for him. As the OP stated, the guy is happy with his kill. I'm sure having it in the books would be an added bonus.

On topic, yes have that bugger re-scored!

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Old 09-14-2017, 11:36 AM   #33
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Get a 1/4" tape measure, pencil, and paper and see what you come up with. It's not difficult. Great deer whatever the tape says.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:39 AM   #34
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Big congrats to your buddy. That's a really nice buck that I'd be thrilled to have hanging on my wall. Extremely unique throat patch that adds even more to his character.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:45 AM   #35
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i got 146

m 29
Tines 53
B 46
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I don't see a 160 deer I also wouldn't even spend the time figuring the next.

Either way get it rescored. My first buck was real easy to score it was a cowhorn spike that scored about 7. Thats a fantastic deer that I would shoot any day . . . throat patch would be enough for me!
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:45 AM   #36
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114 net seems awfully low to me.

I guess if it were my buck, I'd measure it myself to see how close I was and if I was way different, I'd take it to someone else.
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Old 09-14-2017, 11:48 AM   #37
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Seems low to me also.That's a gross 150 buck,all day long.

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Old 09-14-2017, 11:55 AM   #38
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Sounds like a great time to learn how to put a tape on your own deer.

Great buck regardless if it was his first or not! Congrats!


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Old 09-14-2017, 12:00 PM   #39
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Big congrats to your buddy. That's a really nice buck that I'd be thrilled to have hanging on my wall. Extremely unique throat patch that adds even more to his character.
I love the throat patch. Definitely unique and makes a really pretty mount. More character overall that you can shake a stick at. Great feedback.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:04 PM   #40
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great looking buck
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:09 PM   #41
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Great buck but it won't make the pope & young minimum for typical and I don't see enough non typical inches to get him to the non typical minimum.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:10 PM   #42
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Thats at least a hi 150s buck and I usually score low just from pics he will have a lot of deductions but should still make pope and young !!
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:14 PM   #43
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i got 146

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I don't see a 160 deer I also wouldn't even spend the time figuring the next.

Either way get it rescored. My first buck was real easy to score it was a cowhorn spike that scored about 7. Thats a fantastic deer that I would shoot any day . . . throat patch would be enough for me!
I totally agree with you on score.
Please let us see the score sheet after you get him rescored.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:19 PM   #44
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I still have not understood why they just don't go with what the deer grew he grew it so it should count screw all the deductions!! He is a awesome buck even if he is in the 140s like the original scorer said a buck like that don't grow on trees so congrats to your buddy for a fine bow kill !
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:24 PM   #45
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I'd love for that to be my first bow buck.
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Old 09-14-2017, 12:32 PM   #46
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The gross score he was given was for gross typical frame(140+) and the net(114+) was for a net typical. That typical score was low due the kickers caused him to net way low as a typical. His gross NT score will be in the 150's. Look at the score sheet and get a total of the NT points and add them to the gross typical score for a final score.
Tell him congrats on a dang fine buck!

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Old 09-14-2017, 12:44 PM   #47
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22+23 doesn't equal 55. This may be why he numbers aren't adding up


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22+23 doesn't equal 55. This may be why he numbers aren't adding up


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22+23 doesn't equal 55. This may be why he numbers aren't adding up


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with all the apps that do scoring for you....and availability of real scoring sheets... I dont understand the scrap piece of paper scoring and being vulnerable to a persons arithmetic skillset...
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