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Old 09-21-2018, 07:05 AM   #1
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I haven't posted one of these in a while...

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/rel...?req=20180920a

I had no idea you needed a license for snakes. just never thought about it I guess.

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Old 09-21-2018, 07:12 AM   #2
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Wow, I feel safe and can now sleep at night knowing those two reptile hunters have been brought to justice.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:15 AM   #3
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Some people are dumb.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:24 AM   #4
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The ol rubber snake trick they fall for it every time next week the purse on a string trick
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:28 AM   #5
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Wow and this is how “some” of the GW’s get their infamous reputations.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:37 AM   #6
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"The snake hunters had a hunting license with a reptile and amphibian endorsement but were told they had violated several laws including: hunting with artificial light from a motor vehicle, hunting from a public roadway, no reflective safety vest, and stopping on a public roadway. Appropriate charges were filed and are pending."

Is a gray banded king snake endangered or something? The charge better be guys c'mon now, don't do that on a public road because it's dangerous to other drivers.

No wonder people get so down on GW's.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:38 AM   #7
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"The snake hunters had a hunting license with a reptile and amphibian endorsement but were told they had violated several laws including: hunting with artificial light from a motor vehicle, hunting from a public roadway, no reflective safety vest, and stopping on a public roadway. Appropriate charges were filed and are pending."

Is a gray banded king snake endangered or something? The charge better be guys c'mon now, don't do that on a public road because it's dangerous to other drivers.

No wonder people get so down on GW's.
Hope no daddy stops and let’s his kid pick up a turtle off the road in that county.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:46 AM   #8
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There's a reptile and amphibian endorsement?
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:52 AM   #9
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What if they were being responsible herpetologists and were trying to move it off the road....


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Old 09-21-2018, 08:00 AM   #10
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What if they were being responsible herpetologists and were trying to move it off the road....


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Old 09-21-2018, 08:34 AM   #11
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What if they were being responsible herpetologists and were trying to move it off the road....


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Seems if you do anything with a snake near a road they want you to have the license and endorsement because they consider it a capture. I am sure that is open to interpretation by the officer, I know a LOT of people on the "What Snake is this, North Texas" FB group move snakes off the road all the time. I honestly didn't even know this stamp existed.

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Old 09-21-2018, 08:42 AM   #12
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Some game laws don't make much sense. Like, let's all wear our hunter orange after dark. Wow.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:22 AM   #13
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Those snake guys had it coming.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:40 AM   #14
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Funny how they always leave their hero stories for last.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:50 AM   #15
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I would imagine they were catching snakes to sell as pets, and had probably been doing it for some time if they went to the trouble of setting up a decoy.


Interesting how people will pick and choose what laws should and should't be enforced.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:49 AM   #16
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I would imagine they were catching snakes to sell as pets, and had probably been doing it for some time if they went to the trouble of setting up a decoy.


Interesting how people will pick and choose what laws should and should't be enforced.

Exactly.
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Old 09-21-2018, 12:25 PM   #17
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[QUOTE=adam_p;13637771]Exactly.[/

No doubt they were collectors.

You’re not going to trick a snake collector with a plastic snake. I don’t think this one ever goes to court. Waste of the state’s resources.


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Old 09-21-2018, 01:26 PM   #18
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sounds like all they were guilty of is picking up a plastic snake, cite GW for littering.....
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:33 PM   #19
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I enjoy reading these. Thanks for sharing
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:45 PM   #20
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I didn't know picking up a live snake was hunting? I thought it might be stupid but not hunting
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:52 PM   #21
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Wow! Learned something new today. That is some Bureaucratic BS on the snakes. Catching a non-endangered snake on the roadway is a punishable fine?
Need a hunting license, a special stamp, 144 square inches of Orange hunter Safety vest. It would be comical if it was not actually true. Absolutely Absurd.
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Old 09-21-2018, 02:43 PM   #22
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there are some really stupid 'laws' out there.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:04 PM   #23
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glad they are pursuing the guys catching snakes. Part of TPW is to protect all WILDLIFE. The grey banded king snake is a very popular species in the reptile trade. For years people would come from across the US to collect then sell the animals they caught off Texas roads.

I know it sounds stupid to most, but it is much needed restriction. It took forever to require these to get a license.
Not to mention the safety hazard of these people trying to catch animals on the side of a highway in rock cuts. Imagine flying down the road in west texas at 70mph to come over the hill and some one is parked in the middle of the road trying to catch a snake
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:40 PM   #24
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[QUOTE=adam_p;13637771]Exactly.[/

No doubt they were collectors.

You’re not going to trick a snake collector with a plastic snake. I don’t think this one ever goes to court. Waste of the state’s resources.


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Old 09-21-2018, 03:45 PM   #25
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"Notes" yall, they're just notes. You Jr. Matlocks may find this hard to believe.....but they don't tell everyone everything about each case in the public notes! What if the guys had been caught selling the state's resources (it's not just deer, yall) and they want to tack on a few hunting charges to larger charges?
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Old 09-21-2018, 04:04 PM   #26
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I haven't posted one of these in a while...

https://tpwd.texas.gov/newsmedia/rel...?req=20180920a

I had no idea you needed a license for snakes. just never thought about it I guess.
I hadn't heard of it either until a co-worker was telling me he needed to go get his license to go "herping"...yes...it's an actual term . He and his sons liked to go looking for different species of lizards & snakes and handle them...apparently there's a license for that.

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After dark, the wardens deployed the fake snake along a stretch of river road in the southeastern part of the county popular among reptile collectors. Several vehicles had driven by the decoy without reaction before one took the bait just before 11 p.m...The passenger realized the snake was a fake, and let his partner know, but was told to pick it up anyway. As the passenger picked up the decoy, the wardens came out of the brush and announced themselves.
1. How is this not entrapment?
2. If the passengers explain to the judge they knew it was fake weren't they just picking up trash on the road and clearing it of litter?

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Old 09-21-2018, 04:35 PM   #27
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1. How is this not entrapment?
2. If the passengers explain to the judge they knew it was fake weren't they just picking up trash on the road and clearing it of litter?
It is entrapment. Wardens do it all the time. It's no different than a fake deer set up to catch road hunters.
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:21 PM   #28
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It is entrapment. Wardens do it all the time. It's no different than a fake deer set up to catch road hunters.
The difference being when someone road hunts a decoy they usually discharge a firearm from a public road which is illegal regardless of why they discharged it. In this case you have individuals stopping to observe something on the side of the road which they identified as fake and then removed the obstacle from the roadside (which may or may not be illegal depending on how thin you want to stretch the "stopping on a public roadway" charge).
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Old 09-21-2018, 05:32 PM   #29
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The difference being when someone road hunts a decoy they usually discharge a firearm from a public road which is illegal regardless of why they discharged it. In this case you have individuals stopping to observe something on the side of the road which they identified as fake and then removed the obstacle from the roadside (which may or may not be illegal depending on how thin you want to stretch the "stopping on a public roadway" charge).
Yeah, I'm confused on that one to. The guy did have the herp endorsement, so he might have been familiar to the GW, but maybe not.
I don't see how picking up a rubber snake, is breaking the law though. What if you weren't hunting snakes at all, but stopped to take a pic, realized it was fake, and thought, hey, my son would like this.
Bam, heres a charge sir, have a nice day, or do you think they would let you go in that instance?
Most likely a higher fine, due to no herp endorsement.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:16 PM   #30
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I had no idea you needed a license for snakes. just never thought about it I guess.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:29 PM   #31
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I agree the rubber snake operation would seem to be difficult to prosecute.

It's not against the law to pick up a rubber snake in the road. All those guys have to say is they knew it was a fake and found an opportunity to grab some road treasure.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:31 PM   #32
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Many of the folks I know would swerve to run over a big snake!

That would seem to frustrate the operation...wonder what the GW does about that!!!???
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Old 09-22-2018, 08:47 AM   #33
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Our tax money could be spent better elsewhere
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:33 AM   #34
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Ridiculous that they have a law like that. I would be fighting these charges over picking up a rubber snake. Not sure how they can claim it is hunting with an artificial light either if they set the snake on the road to begin with.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:42 AM   #35
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"Notes" yall, they're just notes. You Jr. Matlocks may find this hard to believe.....but they don't tell everyone everything about each case in the public notes! What if the guys had been caught selling the state's resources (it's not just deer, yall) and they want to tack on a few hunting charges to larger charges?
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:53 AM   #36
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The difference being when someone road hunts a decoy they usually discharge a firearm from a public road which is illegal regardless of why they discharged it. In this case you have individuals stopping to observe something on the side of the road which they identified as fake and then removed the obstacle from the roadside (which may or may not be illegal depending on how thin you want to stretch the "stopping on a public roadway" charge).
That is an excellent argument to make in court.

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glad they are pursuing the guys catching snakes. Part of TPW is to protect all WILDLIFE. The grey banded king snake is a very popular species in the reptile trade. For years people would come from across the US to collect then sell the animals they caught off Texas roads.

I know it sounds stupid to most, but it is much needed restriction. It took forever to require these to get a license.
Not to mention the safety hazard of these people trying to catch animals on the side of a highway in rock cuts. Imagine flying down the road in west texas at 70mph to come over the hill and some one is parked in the middle of the road trying to catch a snake
My sole objection is that my lifetime license specifically doesn't include this one endorsement.

That's the pinnacle of stupid state thinking - and I'm not talking about the silly ten dollars.
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Old 09-22-2018, 09:53 AM   #37
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Wonder how many times it’s been run over.
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