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Old 10-16-2018, 08:19 PM   #1
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Besides deer season ending and not seeing 90% of the deer we normally see. Is there a time when planting wheat or oats wont germinate and grow? We have 400 acres of unplanted fields due to waiting on the army to go away and now all the rain.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:32 PM   #2
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They will germinate at any time, even in July. The problem in July is the heat will kill them. Wait for the army worms and you are good.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:32 PM   #3
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Dave I have seen it planted in December before, do yall have any volunteer coming up ?
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:37 PM   #4
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Plant away! The worms ate all mine no way am I am going to look at dirt the rest of the year.
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Old 10-16-2018, 08:42 PM   #5
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Just plant them when you can get in the fields. Deer like them best after they been up for a week or two. Still tender
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Dave I have seen it planted in December before, do yall have any volunteer coming up ?
There might be some coming up. We still have a few deer coming out in the fields.
Last year on the road field they didnt plant. The deer were still eating a big weed looking plant that a small purple flower on it. My concern is down the road both sides look like plush astro turf
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:42 AM   #7
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Itís okay to plant now if you can get it in with all the moisture.


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Old 10-17-2018, 09:27 AM   #8
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There might be some coming up. We still have a few deer coming out in the fields.
Last year on the road field they didnt plant. The deer were still eating a big weed looking plant that a small purple flower on it. My concern is down the road both sides look like plush astro turf
You would have to broadcast the seed from a helicopter right now,lol, I hope ours did not all wash down beaver creek, those deer still going to come across your place to get to that wheat , we did not get planted over in Thalia either.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:01 AM   #9
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Finally got my first plots planted three weeks ago and even got some rain on them but now the lack of sun is the issue.
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Old 10-17-2018, 10:30 AM   #10
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Finally got my first plots planted three weeks ago and even got some rain on them but now the lack of sun is the issue.
Lack of sun isn't an issue
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:52 AM   #11
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sounds like worms have eaten everything down to the dirt i would go with rye grass broadcast on top of the ground. Otherwise with it so wet your a few weeks from getting planted.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:55 AM   #12
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sounds like worms have eaten everything down to the dirt i would go with rye grass broadcast on top of the ground. Otherwise with it so wet your a few weeks from getting planted.
Deer don't eat rye grass.
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Old 10-17-2018, 11:55 AM   #13
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Hire a pilot and get that seed in there QUICK!!!!
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:00 PM   #14
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Deer don't eat rye grass.
I beg to differ, it just doesnít stay as palatable as long as oats or wheat does. Deer love rye when itís new growth
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Lack of sun isn't an issue
Strange, I thought photosynthesis was a thing.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:03 PM   #16
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I beg to differ, it just doesnít stay as palatable as long as oats or wheat does. Deer love rye when itís new growth
Very new growth. That's it. That goes for any grasses. It's just not that nutritious for them.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:04 PM   #17
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Deer don't eat rye grass.
I have always heard that too. A friend of mine planted a pasture last year with annual rye grass for his cows to graze, and the deer were all in it all the time. They planted "Jumbo Rye", fertilized it once it started growing good, and got an awesome stand. Kinda weird.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:15 PM   #18
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Deer don't eat rye grass.
Say what??? I plant it every year and they tear it up.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:16 PM   #19
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Strange, I thought photosynthesis was a thing.
Don't need sun to germinate but if you want it to grow much after it is up sun will be necessary.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:17 PM   #20
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Say what??? I plant it every year and they tear it up.
Rye grass, or grain rye? Big difference.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:18 PM   #21
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The later it gets in the winter the more you would want to plant wheat over oats it will just do better. The colder it is the longer it will take to germinate. We planted wheat for crops as late as Mid/late January.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:21 PM   #22
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Rye grass, or grain rye? Big difference.
I believe rye grass was the post. I have no idea about grain rye or what that is.

Annual ryegrass is easy to plant and grows well and they all love it. Just need moisture and we have plenty of that right now.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:23 PM   #23
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Strange, I thought photosynthesis was a thing.


If you can see without a flashlight, photosynthesis is happening.


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Yes that’s why I said young growth, if they hit it hard then new growth is consistent and they will eat it quite a bit. But I personally would not a plant a large food plot of just cheap ryegrass, it’s a last resort cheap of the cheap measure.
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:28 PM   #25
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I believe rye grass was the post. I have no idea about grain rye or what that is.

Annual ryegrass is easy to plant and grows well and they all love it. Just need moisture and we have plenty of that right now.
I hope everyone around me plants rye grass. That would be awesome!
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Old 10-17-2018, 12:45 PM   #26
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This plot hasn't seen direct sunlight in a long while

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Old 10-17-2018, 12:55 PM   #27
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Deer don't eat rye grass.


This would be totally incorrect!
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Old 10-17-2018, 01:24 PM   #28
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I hope everyone around me plants rye grass. That would be awesome!
Whatever works for you, you must have something else around there they like better and don't have to eat the rye grass. Not sure where wise county is but here in south central texas they mow it down. Best part about it is cheaper to plant than seed oats and wheat.
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I have always heard that too. A friend of mine planted a pasture last year with annual rye grass for his cows to graze, and the deer were all in it all the time. They planted "Jumbo Rye", fertilized it once it started growing good, and got an awesome stand. Kinda weird.
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Say what??? I plant it every year and they tear it up.
They will eat rye if there is nothing else around. But it is very low on their list.

I hunt over 600 acres of rye in differnt areas and hardly ever see a deer in it. tells me enough

The experts also agree. Do not plant it.

elbon rye is all I would plant
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If you can see without a flashlight, photosynthesis is happening.


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Yes thatís why I said young growth, if they hit it hard then new growth is consistent and they will eat it quite a bit. But I personally would not a plant a large food plot of just cheap ryegrass, itís a last resort cheap of the cheap measure.
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Old 10-17-2018, 02:16 PM   #31
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Interesting stuff here on rye. I know they like oats over wheat 30-1. We have two fields one on each side of the road. wheat in 1 oats in the other and they will be 30-1 on the oats.
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They will eat rye if there is nothing else around. But it is very low on their list.

I hunt over 600 acres of rye in differnt areas and hardly ever see a deer in it. tells me enough

The experts also agree. Do not plant it.

elbon rye is all I would plant
Funny how depending on where you are changes what the deer go to. I am not saying you are wrong about where you are hunting at all, just the opposite where I have rye in my part of the country.

I would like to know what you mean by experts say? do you have some research to you can share?
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Interesting stuff here on rye. I know they like oats over wheat 30-1. We have two fields one on each side of the road. wheat in 1 oats in the other and they will be 30-1 on the oats.
I planted BF oats and winter wheat last year, for the sole purpose of seeing which one the deer preferred. They kept my wheat looking like a putting green, and hardly touched the oats. I've always heard the oats are more favorable.
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Old 10-17-2018, 08:18 PM   #34
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Hey David, I held off for the same reasons and am in the same boat. I will plant close to the 27th if the weather permits and will let you know the results. Hoping to have a good stand by December but we shall see. The army worms wiped me out last yr so I wanted to hold off. Heck it might be what I do every yr if it works. Good luck to you this season!
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:49 PM   #35
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Hey David, I held off for the same reasons and am in the same boat. I will plant close to the 27th if the weather permits and will let you know the results. Hoping to have a good stand by December but we shall see. The army worms wiped me out last yr so I wanted to hold off. Heck it might be what I do every yr if it works. Good luck to you this season!
We might need ya to come plant ours. Talked with our guy he said he has another 2500 acres to do before ours
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:46 PM   #36
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Hey David, did you get your fields planted? We got ours in two weeks ago, it was a whoopin to say the least and no hunting was done but i’m out here now and it came up really good and will pay off come December and possibly with this cold front. I don’t think I will try to plant before October ever again as good as it’s coming up. Saw some bucks on their feet cruising, should start seeing some new faces here the next couple of weeks. Let me know next time your around and we can hit up Murns!
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:55 PM   #37
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I beg to differ, it just doesnít stay as palatable as long as oats or wheat does. Deer love rye when itís new growth
Plant cereal rye it's better than rye grass and very similar to wheat.
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Old 11-09-2018, 05:02 PM   #38
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Plant cereal rye it's better than rye grass and very similar to wheat.
I do like elbon rye, I just planted this year n wheat since I got over 800lbs for $30 from my farming buddy. Iíll probably do that every ye from here on out and just buy a couple hundred pounds of oats. Iíve also contemplated trying the throw and now method with elbon rye next yr to see how it comes up and how the deer like it.
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Old 11-09-2018, 06:02 PM   #40
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I do like elbon rye, I just planted this year n wheat since I got over 800lbs for $30 from my farming buddy. Iíll probably do that every ye from here on out and just buy a couple hundred pounds of oats. Iíve also contemplated trying the throw and now method with elbon rye next yr to see how it comes up and how the deer like it.
We have planted Elbon for 10+ yrs in our own blend. The past two years we added a new cereal rye variety called Arrow Rye. Both are being mowed good. Not sure there is much difference not that we have established yet anyways.
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Old 11-12-2018, 11:09 AM   #41
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We got three more plots planted with oats last week before that last storm. Fields were just dry enough to plow had to unstop the disc harrow several times. The next day we got 4.25" of rain. UGGGGGGHH! it is a swamp once again.
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I lost my food plots last year to army worms. Waited until the second weekend in November to replant oats. Got good rain and they came up just fine.
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Old 11-12-2018, 11:54 AM   #43
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We have two places and two land owners. No way to get them on the same page! They no tilled the south side Wednesday of last week after it was barely dry enough. This side has about 350-400 acres of fields. Last Monday they plowed about 1/2 on the north side and were sticking the tractor so they stopped. It was dry the rest of the week and weekend and they never came back to try it again. We went and got a broadcaster and 500 pounds of wheat and oat seeds and did it ourselves late last night because of the rain on the way. Only did about 10 acres or so I would say. There are about 120 acres of fields on that side. I spent the night last night and it started raining about 1 am and was still raining at 7:30 when I left. This morning it had rained about an inch AGAIN! Another 10 day set back.
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