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Old 03-13-2018, 08:01 AM   #1
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Seemed like he was part of the resist movement from day one.
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No sweat off my nose. Sessions will be next after Gowdy finishes out his term in November.

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I will host a frickinn party if that happens.
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Ranch owner, hunter, oil man, Texan guess he was not going to be a YES man for anyone..........or calling your boss a moron can make for a shaky relationship!
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:38 AM   #13
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Ranch owner, hunter, oil man, Texan guess he was not going to be a YES man for anyone..........or calling your boss a moron can make for a shaky relationship!
That and the fact that the UAE demanded Trump fire him "at a politically convenient time" for not supporting their blockade of Qatar.
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Would love to see that happen, but there ain't a snowball's chance...
Gowdy has had enuff of Washington... That boy's goin' home.

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Ranch owner, hunter, oil man, Texan guess he was not going to be a YES man for anyone..........or calling your boss a moron can make for a shaky relationship!
Yep, nail, meet hammer... but can't say I disagree with ol' Rex... Don't really disagree with the Donald either... They just did not fit each other and the Donald IS the boss...
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Tillerson was way to Arab-friendly for my taste. Can't say I'm sad to see him go.
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Not surprised, makes about 40 administration fired or resigned, don't feel sorry for Tillerson Exxon was paying him 21 million per year.

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Not surprised, makes about 40 administration fired or resigned, don't feel sorry for Tillerson Exxon was paying him 21 million per year.

Who's next Gen. H. R. McMaster or Jeff Session
It's a double edged sword...hard to get any sort of traction or cohesion as an administration when your turnover is 4X higher than your average Wal-Mart
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I'am with you Charlie...... "nail meet hammer", as he works at the pleasure of the president. I am just replaying how this was the PERFECT person for this role less than a year ago........and I agreed after listening to folks here that follow that industry. Basically based on getting back to drilling our own energy! Now it ain't a big deal? Gotta be more to the story, right? Maybe not.
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It's a double edged sword...hard to get any sort of traction or cohesion as an administration when your turnover is 4X higher than your average Wal-Mart
It is definitely high......with 21 of those being very high ranking. I think FOX noted that Reagan was second highest with 17......TOTAL! Bottom line, this is NOT usual or common when it comes to TOP aide turnover rate. No way to put lipstick on it.
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Thus many at this high level?
At this rate?
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Seemed like he was part of the resist movement from day one.
Yep ^^^^^^.

And the list of leak'ers has just made available to Trump.
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Yes, we should follow the example of the past few admins. Obama was a great President. So was Bush, lets keep status quo.


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I believe old Rex hired a guy who helped orchestrate the Iran nuclear deal with the Obama Administration. That guy should have been nowhere near this administration.
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We (a lot of U.S. citizens) voted for a non politician, why would it surprise anyone that he did things that weren't politically "acceptable"?
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I like it!

Zero-tolerance in Trump's administration for self-servers or those who don't drain the swamp fast enough.

Looking at you, Jeff Sessions.
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Yep ^^^^^^.

And the list of leak'ers has just made available to Trump.
This may be the reason Trump fired him by a text. That's a move not done on a whim. He's sending a message.
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Maybe they were just better at picking guys who did what they wanted. Problem is, it's hard to figure out what Trump wants from week to week on just about any topic that isn't taxes, tariffs, or the wall. For instance, take this quote from Trump on Oct. 1, 2017:

“I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man".

And now Trump is going to personally meet with Kim? Yeah, that's like your boss telling you that your idea is idiotic, taking credit for it a week later, and firing you the following week. I sure wouldn't want to be Secretary of State, not that Tillerson was any good at it. Hell, the US hasn't had a good Secretary of State since...George Shultz.

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Not surprised, makes about 40 administration fired or resigned, don't feel sorry for Tillerson Exxon was paying him 21 million per year.

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McMaster. I'd bet a bill on it.
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Maybe they were just better at picking guys who did what they wanted. Problem is, it's hard to figure out what Trump wants from week to week on just about any topic that isn't taxes, tariffs, or the wall. For instance, take this quote from Trump on Oct. 1, 2017:

I told Rex Tillerson, our wonderful Secretary of State, that he is wasting his time trying to negotiate with Little Rocket Man".

And now Trump is going to personally meet with Kim? Yeah, that's like your boss telling you that your idea is idiotic, taking credit for it a week later, and firing you the following week. I sure wouldn't want to be Secretary of State, not that Tillerson was any good at it. Hell, the US hasn't had a good Secretary of State since...George Shultz.
Trump didn't approach NK. NK is the one who blinked. Not a good example.
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Trump didn't approach NK. NK is the one who blinked. Not a good example.
Blinking? I'd say baiting. In my opinion, Trump agreeing to meet with Kim is a win-win-win for NK and a lose-lose-win for Trump.

I'd say there three possible outcomes of negotiations:

1: If no agreement happens, then it makes Kim look powerful at home and abroad (in his mind), because he met as an equal with the leader of the most powerful country in the world. Whereas Trump will be embarrassed for having wasted his time.

2: If something does come out of it, Kim will get the same benefits as before, but also a deal where he gets sanctions lifted, while probably still trying to move their nuke program forward in secret as they've done before. Then we're back to square one, and Trump looks even worse than the no-agreement situation.

3: A miracles happens and Trump bullies them into legitimately giving up their nukes, Trump looks like a genius diplomat and cements his legacy. Kim still looks powerful, stays in power, and gets sanctions lifted. That'd be great, but I think it the least likely scenario given NK's history of honoring deals.

I agree with Trump's first take on the matter, negotiating with Kim is a waste of time. Just like it has been for the last 33 years.

Secret option 4: Trump assassinates Kim and everyone wins...except for Kim.
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NK is in no position to bait anyone. The sanctions are putting a stranglehold on them. Of course Kim wants to attempt to get sanctions lifted. The only people who would think Trump looked bad for any outcome are the people who are trying everything they can to try and make him look bad anyway. Let Trump attempt to negotiate with the little idiot. No one else has had the balls to try it.
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NK is in no position to bait anyone. The sanctions are putting a stranglehold on them. Of course Kim wants to attempt to get sanctions lifted. The only people who would think Trump looked bad for any outcome are the people who are trying everything they can to try and make him look bad anyway. Let Trump attempt to negotiate with the little idiot. No one else has had the balls to try it.
I guess we'll see what happens in a few months.
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This may be the reason Trump fired him by a text. That's a move not done on a whim. He's sending a message.
Has trump fired anyone on his wh admin face to face?
Comey found out he was fired by watching tmz.
He had to call FBI headquarters to find out he wasn't being punkd
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Yep, nail, meet hammer... but can't say I disagree with ol' Rex... Don't really disagree with the Donald either... They just did not fit each other and the Donald IS the boss...
You'd think that with these two guys having over 100 years of professional experience between the two of them being publicly known that they or someone on their teams would have known BEFOREHAND that this would not be a good fit. With Tillerson being a Texan and not a yes manand all.
Again, this points to POOR LEADERSHIP within the trump wh.


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It is definitely high......with 21 of those being very high ranking. I think FOX noted that Reagan was second highest with 17......TOTAL! Bottom line, this is NOT usual or common when it comes to TOP aide turnover rate. No way to put lipstick on it.
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Thus many at this high level?
At this rate?
All thinking alike.
If you have a F500 that is replacing their c-suite and BoT at this rate you'll have a company that will quickly be on the pink sheets
Why?
Shows lack of vision and leadership.
Business can't be trusted and their credit rating will be shot.

Would you invest your money in a company that the CEO replaces General Counsel and CFO just because he didn't like something they said on Twitter?
This happens twice per year with each position in trumplandia.

If your COO tells you not to move fwd with a certain deal because it will destabilize the company and the CEO does it anyway which prompts your COO to quit (Cohn) the markets will eat your company alive.

This is a pure banana republic.
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Has trump fired anyone on his wh admin face to face?
Comey found out he was fired by watching tmz.
He had to call FBI headquarters to find out he wasn't being punkd
Your example of Comey proves my point. Comey lied under oath and leaked info to the media in addition to promoting the "extreme carelessness is not gross negligence" nonsense.

Should Trump treat him as if he were a career-long loyalist?
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If you have a F500 that is replacing their c-suite and BoT at this rate you'll have a company that will quickly be on the pink sheets
Why?
Shows lack of vision and leadership.
Business can't be trusted and their credit rating will be shot.

This is a pure banana republic.
With $21T in debt and over $100T in unfunded future liabilities, the US certainly is already a penny stock if you're making that kind of comparison. Recall your hero Obama DOUBLED the debt in 8 years with NOTHING to show for it. There's your banana republic source.

Trump is the turnaround CEO who comes in to the failing, bankrupt organization and cleans house of all the useless, crooked, execs who ran the organization into the ground in the first place.
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With $21T in debt and over $100T in unfunded future liabilities, the US certainly is already a penny stock if you're making that kind of comparison. Recall your hero Obama DOUBLED the debt in 8 years with NOTHING to show for it. There's your banana republic source.

Trump is the turnaround CEO who comes in to the failing, bankrupt organization and cleans house of all the useless, crooked, execs who ran the organization into the ground in the first place.
Boom!
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With $21T in debt and over $100T in unfunded future liabilities, the US certainly is already a penny stock if you're making that kind of comparison. Recall your hero Obama DOUBLED the debt in 8 years with NOTHING to show for it. There's your banana republic source.

Trump is the turnaround CEO who comes in to the failing, bankrupt organization and cleans house of all the useless, crooked, execs who ran the organization into the ground in the first place.
He’s done great economically, but the budget is more of the same: deficit. Looks like the Republicans gave up on being the responsible spending party, that’s why Rand Paul ripped into them during the budget shut down. Wish they’d keep all those campain promises and get us in the black.

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I'm just trying to make sure I'm correct, are you in belief that Obama was a great president? Really?
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I'm just trying to make sure I'm correct, are you in belief that Obama was a great president? Really?
Adjust your sarcasm meter.
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I'm just trying to make sure I'm correct, are you in belief that Obama was a great president? Really?
Maybe the greatest we have ever known. A champion of the 1st and 2nd amendment. Eliminated the federal debt in one year and secured peace around the world.
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Your example of Comey proves my point. Comey lied under oath and leaked info to the media in addition to promoting the "extreme carelessness is not gross negligence" nonsense.

Should Trump treat him as if he were a career-long loyalist?
Just because one of your employees is slimey doesn't mean you have to run your business that way.

A lot of folks on TBH are truly showing their values.
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With $21T in debt and over $100T in unfunded future liabilities, the US certainly is already a penny stock if you're making that kind of comparison. Recall your hero Obama DOUBLED the debt in 8 years with NOTHING to show for it. There's your banana republic source.

Trump is the turnaround CEO who comes in to the failing, bankrupt organization and cleans house of all the useless, crooked, execs who ran the organization into the ground in the first place.
Whatever Obama did trump ADDED ON to it!
Lets see what trump does with the next 3 budgets and if they get lower than Obama's (doubt it)
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Adjust your sarcasm meter.
There is no sarcasm in my statement, just need clarification
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No, J Sweet was being sarcastic. An Obama lover he is not.
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No, J Sweet was being sarcastic. An Obama lover he is not.
Good to hear. Just don't know that I can be socialble anymore to Obama supporters
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Good to hear. Just don't know that I can be socialble anymore to Obama supporters
I wanted to support Obama, temporarily off the side of a cliff but the ****ed Secret Service didn't like the look of me for some reason.
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I wanted to support Obama, temporarily off the side of a cliff but the ****ed Secret Service didn't like the look of me for some reason.
Only off side of a cliff, hell I wanted to cut his f.... Oh sorry we can't say those kinda things
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Whatever Obama did trump ADDED ON to it!
Lets see what trump does with the next 3 budgets and if they get lower than Obama's (doubt it)
Land rover just posted the confirmation of what I wrote above.
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