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Old 09-06-2017, 12:03 AM   #51
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Have you ever seen a Tundra on a flatbed wrecker being hauled to the mechanics shop? .........I didnt think so!
I see them all at the gas station.
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Old 09-06-2017, 07:24 AM   #52
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I was going through this same debate last April. After talking to everyone that I knew personally that owned a truck I went with the Tundra. Talked to a few who liked the Chevy but talked to several who had nothing but problems with it. The folks with a Tundra never seemed to have problems. I get 15mph mostly city and some towing a pop-up camper. The 38 gallon fuel tank is more than sufficient. I love the back window rolling all the way down. Really gets the hot air out of the truck.
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Those of you saying 6.2, does it change your mind if the truck I am looking at has the 6speed tranny vs the 8?

Basically asking if that would be a deal breaker or would the engine still make the deal?
The 6 speed is actually a touch quicker than the 8 speed w / 6.2. I would have gone with the 6 speed if it would have been available when I bought my truck. However, now that I have the 8 speed I love the way it rows through the gears when on the gas. The 6 speed does not feel the same. I also do not have any fuel numbers to compare it with or any real world towing or dependability advice.
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I have had to replace the transmission in every Chevy I have owned. I was a Chevy fan 6 transmission = $11,000
Later I love my Tundra.
It's quicker than dodge 5.7, Chevy 5.3, Ford 5.4,Ford 5.0, my dad's steel frame 3.5 eco.
It will pull just fine
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Here is the way my truck sits on 3312.5 Toyo's. Not a great pic but just have the front leveled and zero rubbing. Most people will say that size will not fit, I have not had any problems.

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Old 09-06-2017, 06:35 PM   #56
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Get the Chevy, that Tundra won't pass a gas station... 13 MPG at best. Toyotas are good trucks but they really drink the gas

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Old 09-06-2017, 07:34 PM   #57
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Get the Chevy, that Tundra won't pass a gas station... 13 MPG at best. Toyotas are good trucks but they really drink the gas

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Where do you get that? My Tundra.gets 16plus every day of the year.
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That wouldn't take me but a second to decide. The Chevy 6.2 is a beast of an engine and it blows sway the Tundra in both power and fuel mileage.


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I had a 2010 6.0 3/4 chevy 6 speed auto and currently have a 2015 toyota tundra 4 door and the toyota does just as well in every department except maybe comfort and does better in fuel mileage. I would go toyota, but thats just my opinion. That full size cab gives so much room its crazy. And lets be honest, you dont buy a truck for fuel mileage. So getting 15 mpg is plenty imo. But that comes after getting around 12mpg on the highway and around 10mpg while pulling out of the chevy.

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Where do you get that? My Tundra.gets 16plus every day of the year.
Everyone I know that has a tundra complains about the fuel mileage, it's pretty well-known. Are you getting 16 on the overhead console or are you doing the math? Big difference.

If you truly are getting 16mpg + you are doing well

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Old 09-06-2017, 08:25 PM   #61
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Everyone I know that has a tundra complains about the fuel mileage, it's pretty well-known. Are you getting 16 on the overhead console or are you doing the math? Big difference.

If you truly are getting 16mpg + you are doing well

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I get 16.1 on paper and 16.4 on the dash. Lots of trips to Corpus at 85mph.
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I get 16.1 on paper and 16.4 on the dash. Lots of trips to Corpus at 85mph.
On the highway I could see getting 16. The actual statistics straight from Toyota claim 13 City and 17 highway... on average I would imagine it's around 15 so maybe I was a little low.
Still horrible considering my 9,000 lb Dodge/Cummins gets 18 to 20

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That wouldn't take me but a second to decide. The Chevy 6.2 is a beast of an engine and it blows sway the Tundra in both power and fuel mileage.


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Tundra has a ton of power for the engine size being naturally aspirated.

You can buy a heck of a lot of fuel for the price of a new transmission, AC controller, front end parts, and the 4 wheel drive shift actuator.

Plus the aggravation of something always breaking

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Old 09-06-2017, 09:04 PM   #64
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Tundra has a ton of power for the engine size being naturally aspirated.

You can buy a heck of a lot of fuel for the price of a new transmission, AC controller, front end parts, and the 4 wheel drive shift actuator.

Plus the aggravation of something always breaking

Amen. I was a Chevy fan for a long time. They have some great features (locking differential, comfortable, nice ride,) but I can't get past the aggravating problems that they REFUSE to fix. Crappy transmissions, A/C actuators, and the dang 4WD actuators that decide to quit when you need them most!!! I LOVE my Tundra since making the switch!
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TOTALLY different engine and transmission platform.


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I hope so. That 6.0 was very transmission dependant. Constantly down shifting with a trailer. Loved the truck though.

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I truly get 16 with 15' crew max 4x4...best truck I've owns hands down (and I've owned 2 Cummings) 120,000 miles and only replaced battery, still on stock brake pads. Now, if we are towing, that's single digits, but the power is there (Towed construction trailer, 250 gallon tote in bed, etc). Toyota hands down is much more dependable imo.



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Everyone I know that has a tundra complains about the fuel mileage, it's pretty well-known. Are you getting 16 on the overhead console or are you doing the math? Big difference.

If you truly are getting 16mpg + you are doing well

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Old 09-06-2017, 09:30 PM   #67
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One thing the OP needs to consider is that the 6.2 is going to be offered with the new 10 Speed auto co-developed with Ford very soon...this is personally what I would wait for if I opted for the bowtie. I know the Raptor (and very recent other 150's owners) are loving it.

I have a totally different (gigitty) 6.2 (LT4) / A10 combo in the Camaro & has been a home run so far...I know some guys are reporting over 20mpg avg, but imo are driving it wrong. I can promise if I got the chevy with the 6.2 that my mileage would be worse than that the yota while it's pulling a yacht. Kinda silly to have that sorta HP & not giddy-up now & then?? The A10 version is just gonna make it stronger. Quite an amazing tranny in the ZL1.
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Im curious about all these gears, 8 and soon 10. Wont they be surfing gears especially pulling trailors??
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Im curious about all these gears, 8 and soon 10. Wont they be surfing gears especially pulling trailors??


Nope. These transmissions know what they are supposed to do. Even if you do get a little hunting just use the manual shift mode to hold it where you want it.


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I am going to be in the Yota category on this one, but it's your decision and you need to look at what is going to fit you the best. My decision is based off of having 3 prior Chevy 1/2 tons (91 and 97 with 350 and 05 with 5.3). After the 05, I was in a situation where I would be needing a 3/4 ton because of needing heavier suspension and towing capabilities. I ended up with a Ram 2500 with 5.7. 5 years later, growing a family and not having the extracurricular activities I did have, I need to downsize to something that is more family friendly and rides a lot better. After being around a fleet of 2012 and newer chevys for work, I have seen more recalls and puddly crap going wrong just Like my dodge, that I don't want any part of that. Plus I don't think the 2013+ chevys are very comfortable to drive. My wife had a 07 4Runner @ 140k Miles and I just changed the brakes for the first time and an alternator and idler pulley. I have denied it for years, calling them city boy trucks, but I know Toyota makes great vehicles. So my next truck will be a Tundra and I will deal with that decision for a while whether it's good or bad. I don't need a 3/4 ton any more. I have a 12' trailer to pull my ranger and with a bed cover I can put all the kiddo/baby materials in the bed and have a good size cab for everyone. Good luck with the decision, I used to be a Chevy gas and dodge diesel guy, now diesels ain't what they used to be and Chevy is too much into meeting regulations and technology than into making a good truck Bob Seiger could sell with a song.

Oh and I don't give a hoot about mpgs anymore, anything better than 12 on the highway is a plus in my book.
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I've owned only Chevrolets since 2001 with exception of 1 super duty, but still had a suburban.
I've always loved my chevy trucks especially my 2500s. My current chevy is doing all the stuff I thought other trucks did.
Passenger door handle broke off, dash has multiple cracks, interior seems to wear faster than Chevys of the past, lots of road noise, broken center console latch, bad motor mount etc etc etc. not great for a truck with less than 130k miles and some is to be expected from a truck that's used as a truck daily, but my next truck will be a Tundra.




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For a little background.

I have a 14' gmc with the 5.3. I am not unhappy but would prefer a truck to pull and drive like a truck vs an SUV daily stroller. I am familiar with the ride, handling and cab comforts and like them pretty well. Could use more lumbar support...

We have had a Sequoia with the 5.7 (a 4Runner and Camry before that, so I do believe in Toyota dependability and quality) and my dad has had 2 tundras that I have driven plenty so I am well aware of the pep and power of the 5.7. I need the full crew cab with 2 little ones and #3 arriving in December...frustrating thing is the tiny bed in the tundra with the full cab (double cab is too small already checked, that's what my dad has).

What I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge is with the 6.2L hence me turning to the green screen and thank you to all of you for all the insight it has been very helpful and is much appreciated. I don't know yet which direction to go and will go drive a 6.2L very soon hopefully but would love to continue to hear the discussion. Carry on. Thanks!
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For a little background.

I have a 14' gmc with the 5.3. I am not unhappy but would prefer a truck to pull and drive like a truck vs an SUV daily stroller. I am familiar with the ride, handling and cab comforts and like them pretty well. Could use more lumbar support...

We have had a Sequoia with the 5.7 (a 4Runner and Camry before that, so I do believe in Toyota dependability and quality) and my dad has had 2 tundras that I have driven plenty so I am well aware of the pep and power of the 5.7. I need the full crew cab with 2 little ones and #3 arriving in December...frustrating thing is the tiny bed in the tundra with the full cab (double cab is too small already checked, that's what my dad has).

What I don't have a lot of first hand knowledge is with the 6.2L hence me turning to the green screen and thank you to all of you for all the insight it has been very helpful and is much appreciated. I don't know yet which direction to go and will go drive a 6.2L very soon hopefully but would love to continue to hear the discussion. Carry on. Thanks!
I told my wife she needed a sequoia the other day. Her 4 runner is nice to have for an SUV but it's just too small. That's why I have decided that when I get a Tundra, it will have a bed cover for groceries and luggage and what not for road trips. I have been told that I can use my company vehicle for whatever I want, use it Like it is mine. So my plan is to get rid of my truck after hunting season when I won't need a 4x4 as much, payoff some debts with the extra cash and money saved from al that and then get back into a truck after a little while. Maybe trade her car in on it and she can drive the new truck and be in something safer than her 4Runner. Just hate to get rid of a paid off good vehicle with no issues.
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I have a 17 6.2 ltz z71 crew cab with the standard size 6.5 ft bed. I had to order it because apparently that combo is rare. 14k miles on it and I love it. I was getting around 22 mpg on the hwy and 18 around town before I leveled it and added bigger tires. Now its around 19 hwy 15 city. Not sure how much weight is on the trailer when I tow it loaded down I'm getting around 11-13 mpg. I'll be honest with you the 8 speed trans has had issues like hunting for gears in traffic and hard downshift but the latest software update has seemed to clear those up. If you get a 6.2 in z71 trim you can only get a 3.23 rear. If you get a 6.2 max trailering package you can get it with 3.42s. I tried to combine the 2 when I ordered and Chevy wouldn't allow it for some reason. You also have to run premium 93 or 91 octane in the 6.2. I run 93 in town at the lease the highest octane in the area is 91. I loose about 2 mpg when I run the 91.

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Old 09-07-2017, 01:19 AM   #75
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My 15 Z71 5.3 was a regular bed (6.5') this truck 17 4x4 6.2 has a short bed (6'). The turning radius difference is huge! Much easier to drive in and around town.
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I have a 17 6.2 ltz z71 crew cab with the standard size 6.5 ft bed. I had to order it because apparently that combo is rare. 14k miles on it and I love it. I was getting around 22 mpg on the hwy and 18 around town before I leveled it and added bigger tires. Now its around 19 hwy 15 city. Not sure how much weight is on the trailer when I tow it loaded down I'm getting around 11-13 mpg. I'll be honest with you the 8 speed trans has had issues like hunting for gears in traffic and hard downshift but the latest software update has seemed to clear those up. If you get a 6.2 in z71 trim you can only get a 3.23 rear. If you get a 6.2 max trailering package you can get it with 3.42s. I tried to combine the 2 when I ordered and Chevy wouldn't allow it for some reason. You also have to run premium 93 or 91 octane in the 6.2. I run 93 in town at the lease the highest octane in the area is 91. I loose about 2 mpg when I run the 91.

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I've subscribed to this thread because these 2 trucks are at the top of my wish list. However, if the 6.2L requires premium gas, I may have to reconsider.
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I've subscribed to this thread because these 2 trucks are at the top of my wish list. However, if the 6.2L requires premium gas, I may have to reconsider.


Agree...this is news to me.

I am also finding that dealers are very very proud of the 6.2...

Great info, thanks!
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Agree...this is news to me.

I am also finding that dealers are very very proud of the 6.2...

Great info, thanks!
You can only get the 6.2 in the higher trim models. If you aren't looking for a decked out truck, you wont be getting the 6.2.
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You can only get the 6.2 in the higher trim models. If you aren't looking for a decked out truck, you wont be getting the 6.2.


Right, kinda stinks...I do not need all the bells and whistles...
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I've got buddies with both and have spent some time riding in both and I'd go with the Tundra. Better looking IMO, more roomy with more power. I never payed attention to the fuel mileage because I wasn't having to buy it!



Oh, and it's not a dang bow tie. I'll go get in my Ford now.
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1,000,000 mile Tundra.
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You can only get the 6.2 in the higher trim models. If you aren't looking for a decked out truck, you wont be getting the 6.2.
I noticed this as well just playing around to see how much a 6.2 would be. Dang near could get into a diesel with the truck price and added costs of the premium fuel.
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One thing about the 6.2 is that its an AFM motor. I will never own another one.
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I've got buddies with both and have spent some time riding in both and I'd go with the Tundra. Better looking IMO, more roomy with more power. I never payed attention to the fuel mileage because I wasn't having to buy it!



Oh, and it's not a dang bow tie. I'll go get in my Ford now.
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I've got buddies with both and have spent some time riding in both and I'd go with the Tundra. Better looking IMO, more roomy with more power. I never payed attention to the fuel mileage because I wasn't having to buy it!
Not even in better weather with cheap gas.. The 6.2L has more power hands down.
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I've got a '15 LTZ with a 6.2. It averages around 18 mpg, but does drop to about 14 pulling a trailer with a load. Can't tell on performance, but mpg does drop.
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I have a 17 6.2 ltz z71 crew cab with the standard size 6.5 ft bed. I had to order it because apparently that combo is rare. 14k miles on it and I love it. I was getting around 22 mpg on the hwy and 18 around town before I leveled it and added bigger tires. Now its around 19 hwy 15 city. Not sure how much weight is on the trailer when I tow it loaded down I'm getting around 11-13 mpg. I'll be honest with you the 8 speed trans has had issues like hunting for gears in traffic and hard downshift but the latest software update has seemed to clear those up. If you get a 6.2 in z71 trim you can only get a 3.23 rear. If you get a 6.2 max trailering package you can get it with 3.42s. I tried to combine the 2 when I ordered and Chevy wouldn't allow it for some reason. You also have to run premium 93 or 91 octane in the 6.2. I run 93 in town at the lease the highest octane in the area is 91. I loose about 2 mpg when I run the 91.

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The 6.2l is designed to run on regular or E85. You will get some knock retard depending on the ambient temp and load but that is what knock sensors are for.


http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l86/ Check out 'specs'.
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This test is from 15 but the numbers are still very similar on these trucks. You Tundra guys claiming 'more power' check out where it lands in the unloaded and loaded test. That is with the Chevy launching in 4wd to avoid wheel-spin on a prepped dragstrip.

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I have 40k on a 6.2 that has never had anything but regular unleaded. Runs and pulls great.
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Old 09-07-2017, 05:47 PM   #90
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The 6.2l is designed to run on regular or E85. You will get some knock retard depending on the ambient temp and load but that is what knock sensors are for.


http://gmauthority.com/blog/gm/gm-engines/l86/ Check out 'specs'.
I guess I need to change my post to recommended premium then. I'm sure it will run on reg, but even dropping to 91 the truck gets worse mpgs.

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:31 PM   #91
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I guess I need to change my post to recommended premium then. I'm sure it will run on reg, but even dropping to 91 the truck gets worse mpgs.

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I will have to try some 93 and see if my mileage gets even better. If it runs any stronger my tire bill is going up for sure.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:40 PM   #92
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I guess I need to change my post to recommended premium then. I'm sure it will run on reg, but even dropping to 91 the truck gets worse mpgs.

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Old 09-07-2017, 06:41 PM   #93
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1,000,000 mile Tundra.
https://youtu.be/1HnokrriP_c
There are lots of trucks out there with a million miles on them.
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Old 09-07-2017, 06:48 PM   #94
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Hey Walker

Your avatar pic is spot on.
The B.S. in any which truck do I buy thread is going to be in the red.
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Old 09-07-2017, 07:28 PM   #95
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If it's anything like what they have done with the Raptor & ZL1, then quite the opposite amigo...I've talked to a couple of new Raptor owners & they report the same as what we got in the camaro.

The A10 has a computer that talks to the engine & seems to understand what it needs to do at the time it's needed. Meaning it finds the right gear in all situations / settings. I can tap the peddle to the floor as an example & the car says I want to play & it will find the most optimal gear & stay in the 4k RPM range for about 7 seconds if I want to say roll race. Raptor guys are giving the same examples but with a truck application, so I 'assume' when towing that this new smart tranny will understand to hold gears longer depending on acceleration & down shift properly with the load when idling or engine braking so to speak.

I cannot feel the trans shift it is so smooth when tooling around town...step on it & it's a whole other beast...not sure about the Ford or what will happen in the new trucks, but 9th & 10th are strictly overdrives in mine. Some brave fella got it up to 202mph on a track in Germany & wouldn't jump out of 8th.


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I've got buddies with both and have spent some time riding in both and I'd go with the Tundra. Better looking IMO, more roomy with more power. I never payed attention to the fuel mileage because I wasn't having to buy it!



Oh, and it's not a dang bow tie. I'll go get in my Ford now.


The Tundra is outdated powertrain wise. The 6.2L will destroy it in the power department and the 5.3 will actually run fairly close with it.

While I may agree on the Tundra being better quality long term, I have no actual personal experience to back that up.

Looks are purely subjective.


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I noticed this as well just playing around to see how much a 6.2 would be. Dang near could get into a diesel with the truck price and added costs of the premium fuel.
I shopped around and paid about the same as a comparably equipped LTZ with the 5.3. I am not sure where you are looking but you cannot buy a 2500 4x4 crew cab Duramax equipped truck in the same ballpark. I put a good chunk of money down but I do not think that had a lot to do with negotiation.

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If it's anything like what they have done with the Raptor & ZL1, then quite the opposite amigo...I've talked to a couple of new Raptor owners & they report the same as what we got in the camaro.

The A10 has a computer that talks to the engine & seems to understand what it needs to do at the time it's needed. Meaning it finds the right gear in all situations / settings. I can tap the peddle to the floor as an example & the car says I want to play & it will find the most optimal gear & stay in the 4k RPM range for about 7 seconds if I want to say roll race. Raptor guys are giving the same examples but with a truck application, so I 'assume' when towing that this new smart tranny will understand to hold gears longer depending on acceleration & down shift properly with the load when idling or engine braking so to speak.

I cannot feel the trans shift it is so smooth when tooling around town...step on it & it's a whole other beast...not sure about the Ford or what will happen in the new trucks, but 9th & 10th are strictly overdrives in mine. Some brave fella got it up to 202mph on a track in Germany & wouldn't jump out of 8th.
I hate trading trucks before they are paid for; however, when the 6.2/A10 is on the lot and not demanding a premium my truck will be traded!
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I hate trading trucks before they are paid for; however, when the 6.2/A10 is on the lot and not demanding a premium my truck will be traded!
It's temping for me too. I'm not a fan of this 8 speed trans. 1st I may get mine tuned. The only problem is that I have to take out the tcm and send it in to get unlocked because gm has locked the software on 17s trans with the 8 speed.

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Old 09-07-2017, 10:15 PM   #100
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One thing about the 6.2 is that its an AFM motor. I will never own another one.
Which one pushed you that way? All of them will be that way in the future. If you are worried about it a tune will put the AFM to bed.
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