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Old 03-21-2017, 11:16 AM   #101
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Im bulking now, but cut using Keto....

I found that sipping pickle juice throughout the day prevents the headache during the first couple weeks. Sodium will be high, but it will get you through the rough spot of feeling like death as your body adjusts to the diet....
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I did this diet back in May of last year, and stopped in August. I went from 207 to 165, and went from around 20% bf to around 13%. I was never tired, didn't have the after lunch lull, never had a problem getting up @ 0300 for work. Sounds too good to be true right? Be careful with this diet. Turns out this diet can leave you malnutritioned, and lacking important minerals for your body to function. In June I noticed I started having heart palpitations, and decided to go see a cardiologist just to make sure nothing was wrong. I only had them when I was sitting still, when working out or working in the yard, they didn't exist. Turns out, they were heart arrhythmias, non-sustained tachycardia. They can be caused by insufficient electrolytes in your diet, very common on this diet. Also, this diet increases adrenaline in your blood stream, which leads to irregular heart beats and heart arrhythmias. Make sure you take a supplement, and pay close attention to what your body is telling you. Since, I've had a defibrillator implanted, and have talked with other people with defibrillators. Several people went into sudden cardiac arrest on this diet, and put them close to death. Do your research. I agree with panhandlehunter, this is not something you want to stay on forever. This is great to lose body fat, but I think your best option is to ease into a paleo diet. It's more sustainable, and you aren't holding out any important nutrition from your body. Good luck on your weight loss!

Did you take any supplements? I use Potassium and Magnesium daily to help avoid what you described.
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Im bulking now, but cut using Keto....

I found that sipping pickle juice throughout the day prevents the headache during the first couple weeks. Sodium will be high, but it will get you through the rough spot of feeling like death as your body adjusts to the diet....

Chicken broth is good for this as well. I do enjoy a pickle juice snowcone.
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For those interested in Keto/low carb or is diabetic - check out dietdoctor.com. Lots of good info from medical professionals and folks who've been doing it long term. Plus there are recipes and meal plans.


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What is the keto flu?
headaches? (like after a night of drinking alcohol with little to no water/electrolyte replenishment)
gastrointestinal?
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What is the keto flu?

headaches? (like after a night of drinking alcohol with little to no water/electrolyte replenishment)

gastrointestinal?

Some describe it as flu like symptoms, lethargic, headaches but without the fever.

I've never experienced it and I've gone off and on with it over the years. My body adapts very well to a low carb (less 10-15 total, not net) high fat diet.



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Did you take any supplements? I use Potassium and Magnesium daily to help avoid what you described.
I did not. The supplements do decrease the risk, but the increased adrenaline can cause issues. I have other issues creating this, but since I've stopped the keto diet, Ive only had a couple arrhythmias. They aren't constant like before.
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I did not. The supplements do decrease the risk, but the increased adrenaline can cause issues. I have other issues creating this, but since I've stopped the keto diet, Ive only had a couple arrhythmias. They aren't constant like before.


Adrenaline tends to be an issue with some people with intermittent fasting as well. I had no problems with that diet over 11 months, just couldn't get my daily schedule to fit within the eating time frames. My work schedule can sometimes end up with 10-11 hours without eating, sometimes that's in the morning and it's not a problem, sometimes that's in the afternoon and I'm miserable/shaky all day. A few people I know on Keto have had improvement under those circumstances.


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My wife started on a ketogenic diet years before I met her to help maintain her low body fat while lifting. It enabled her to get into a state of ketosis that she still maintains to this day. It's mildly infuriating for her to tell me that she feels "puffy" and needs to lose 5 pounds and then watch her do it over the course of a week just by adjusting her intake of certain things.


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My wife started on a ketogenic diet years before I met her to help maintain her low body fat while lifting. It enabled her to get into a state of ketosis that she still maintains to this day. It's mildly infuriating for her to tell me that she feels "puffy" and needs to lose 5 pounds and then watch her do it over the course of a week just by adjusting her intake of certain things.





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She's been athletic and nutrition minded for +20 years, started keto right around 10 years ago. We've only been together for 7.


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Well I have done Atkins before and had great results. I lost over 30 lbs in a month doing that and exercising. Plus I even quit copenhagen at the same time. That was over ten years ago and I have now gotten back to being way to heavy. Mostly due to the fact I moved to an office job and working long hours yet eating way too much of anything I wanted. I am now starting again and will look at this closely and see how it goes. It seems many of you are pretty fit and using this to get cut. Myself I am looking at just burning off the fat.
So my starting weight is 460 lbs. Lets see how it goes.
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Not a fan of fad diets. Calories in versus calories out. Period.
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Well I have done Atkins before and had great results. I lost over 30 lbs in a month doing that and exercising. Plus I even quit copenhagen at the same time. That was over ten years ago and I have now gotten back to being way to heavy. Mostly due to the fact I moved to an office job and working long hours yet eating way too much of anything I wanted. I am now starting again and will look at this closely and see how it goes. It seems many of you are pretty fit and using this to get cut. Myself I am looking at just burning off the fat.
So my starting weight is 460 lbs. Lets see how it goes.
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Not a fan of fad diets. Calories in versus calories out. Period.

Yeah me to, except this diet was started in the 1920's for epilepsy. I would not call a diet that has been around for 90 yrs a fad.
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Not a fan of fad diets. Calories in versus calories out. Period.
And if you go by calories in vs out, what does it matter rather you eat low fat vs low carb as long as IIFYM?
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Yeah me to, except this diet was started in the 1920's for epilepsy. I would not call a diet that has been around for 90 yrs a fad.
It wasn't a weight loss diet then. The diet has been around though... marketed by different folks as something new so money can be made. Evidence of its success is touted but hard to find the negatives like bonking cause you accidentally ate some carbs, or headaches cause your body is not only in defecit, but imbalanced.

Like juicing, no fat, vegan, gluten free diets, it has been around but resurrected as fads that come and go, becuase they are difficult to sustain without (my opinion) genetic adaptation andvpeoole just look at one thing: weight loss, and the benefits that come with that.

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It wasn't a weight loss diet then. The diet has been around though... marketed by different folks as something new so money can be made. Evidence of its success is touted but hard to find the negatives like bonking cause you accidentally ate some carbs, or headaches cause your body is not only in defecit, but imbalanced.

Like juicing, no fat, vegan, gluten free diets, it has been around but resurrected as fads that come and go, becuase they are difficult to sustain without (my opinion) genetic adaptation andvpeoole just look at one thing: weight loss, and the benefits that come with that.

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No it wasn't but just like many other medical finds, it is a positive effect of the diet. Just like Wellbutrin was a psych med that was found to curb smoking. And Viagra was 1st a cardiac med that was found to help men with ED.


Plus, it was the only real way to treat diabetes before the discovery of insulin.

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It wasn't a weight loss diet then. The diet has been around though... marketed by different folks as something new so money can be made. Evidence of its success is touted but hard to find the negatives like bonking cause you accidentally ate some carbs, or headaches cause your body is not only in defecit, but imbalanced.

Like juicing, no fat, vegan, gluten free diets, it has been around but resurrected as fads that come and go, becuase they are difficult to sustain without (my opinion) genetic adaptation andvpeoole just look at one thing: weight loss, and the benefits that come with that.

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The weight loss is equally as important to me as the energy stabilization. Glucose dependent diets (even non "dieting" calorie levels) have always been less than ideal for me. Historically, If I miss my meal times by two hours or more, I have issues. Headaches, weak trembles, dizziness, fatigue... glucose crashes are a **tc*
This is an issue ketone based diets have been proven to help with.

If weight loss was the only goal, I would add 300 calories of extra cardio to my day.

I completely agree that all dietary changes work only as long as they are continually adhered to. I also agree that many people can not use many different dieting styles. Body styles, chemistry, and health levels are different from person to person. This particular diet was chosen from my previous comfort in the intermittent fasting program (hitting a state of ketosis intermittently) as well as an evaluation of how my own body has reacted to different energy sources over my lifetime. My DO. happens to agree with me on the decision. It's not a silver bullet, but it is something I am willing to try. If my body adapts well to it, it is also a diet I can do permanently very easily. Literally the only "food" I will miss is beer...


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The weight loss is equally as important to me as the energy stabilization. Glucose dependent diets (even non "dieting" calorie levels) have always been less than ideal for me. Historically, If I miss my meal times by two hours or more, I have issues. Headaches, weak trembles, dizziness, fatigue... glucose crashes are a **tc*
This is an issue ketone based diets have been proven to help with.

If weight loss was the only goal, I would add 300 calories of extra cardio to my day.

I completely agree that all dietary changes work only as long as they are continually adhered to. I also agree that many people can not use many different dieting styles. Body styles, chemistry, and health levels are different from person to person. This particular diet was chosen from my previous comfort in the intermittent fasting program (hitting a state of ketosis intermittently) as well as an evaluation of how my own body has reacted to different energy sources over my lifetime. My DO. happens to agree with me on the decision. It's not a silver bullet, but it is something I am willing to try. If my body adapts well to it, it is also a diet I can do permanently very easily. Literally the only "food" I will miss is beer...


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You can have a beer. Just zero carb it for the day. One day, I grilled, drank 2 IPA'S and 2 glasses of bourbon and still was in ketosis the following morning. It was small on the stick but popped to moderate after I hit a gym session that am. All I ate with that was steak and veggies. Just don't make a habit of the beer. I will usually have that or a bourbon every 2-3 wks.
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The weight loss is equally as important to me as the energy stabilization. Glucose dependent diets (even non "dieting" calorie levels) have always been less than ideal for me. Historically, If I miss my meal times by two hours or more, I have issues. Headaches, weak trembles, dizziness, fatigue... glucose crashes are a **tc*
This is an issue ketone based diets have been proven to help with.

If weight loss was the only goal, I would add 300 calories of extra cardio to my day.

I completely agree that all dietary changes work only as long as they are continually adhered to. I also agree that many people can not use many different dieting styles. Body styles, chemistry, and health levels are different from person to person. This particular diet was chosen from my previous comfort in the intermittent fasting program (hitting a state of ketosis intermittently) as well as an evaluation of how my own body has reacted to different energy sources over my lifetime. My DO. happens to agree with me on the decision. It's not a silver bullet, but it is something I am willing to try. If my body adapts well to it, it is also a diet I can do permanently very easily. Literally the only "food" I will miss is beer...


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I am curious about your situation where you can't eat for 8 to 10 hours... i go through that, but I call it sleep.

I have missed a lunch or two before and don't have any crashes. I attribute that to my glycogen stores I maintain because I exercise and keep my muscle mass up. I have bonked on a bike, but have never ever bonked sitting in a chair (as some have described) unless I am overweight and out of shape.

When I hear friends on these no carb diets talk about feeling like crap when they eat carbs... sounds alot like bonking to me. The same bonking that folks with diabetes go through.

But keep in mind, I am not living the extreme other fad (no fat.) I keep it all in balance. I eat fat and protien and can go strerches without eating... I eat carbs, so I can use and quickly restore glycogen levels.


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Not a fan of fad diets. Calories in versus calories out. Period.
Cal in vs Cal out is bogus. You think 100 calories of lean beef or fish is equal to 100 calories of twinkles? Your body is going to treat those calories/nutrients differently. It's not as simple as just burning more than you take in. Thats why proper diet is important, you can just eat **** and expect to outwork it and lose weight.

For some folks, eating a diet higher in carbs works for them. It never did for me, even in the Marine Corps as a grunt and when training for Recon, I had to modify my diet, I couldn't just eat whatever I wanted even though I was burning a butt load of calories every day.

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So my starting weight is 460 lbs. Lets see how it goes.
If you do it, I bet you'll drop some serious weight to begin. Be sure to add some sort of exercise, even if just walking. You'll begin feeling better quick! Update us if you start this path.
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I am a flight attendant and it isn't uncommon to have 5, sometimes 6, flights back to back. 1 hour to 1.5 hour flights with 35 minute ground times. The 35 min ground time includes deplaning, cleaning, boarding, emergency briefing and security duties... the flight includes serving 48 people per flight attendant at once. I typically can't get a break for food until about 1:45 long flights (if my people aren't needy).
I try not to work the days set up like this, but I am extremely junior as far as seniority. Junior people like me get the worst shifts.


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Cal in vs Cal out is bogus. You think 100 calories of lean beef or fish is equal to 100 calories of twinkles? Your body is going to treat those calories/nutrients differently. It's not as simple as just burning more than you take in. Thats why proper diet is important, you can just eat **** and expect to outwork it and lose weight.
LMAO!!!!!!!! Dude, are you freakin serious??! It is 100% calories in versus calories out! If you eat 600 calories worth of twinkies every day, you lose a ton of weight. I don't care if you eat lard. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. I lost 50 pounds 3 years ago, and have kept it off. If you want to lose weight and not deal with all the BS, get a calorie counter app for your phone and start at 1200 per day.

The best foods are those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Fish, shrimp, white chicken, etc. Especially important when you want to shed fat and maintain or build muscle.
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LMAO!!!!!!!! Dude, are you freakin serious??! It is 100% calories in versus calories out! If you eat 600 calories worth of twinkies every day, you lose a ton of weight. I don't care if you eat lard. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. I lost 50 pounds 3 years ago, and have kept it off. If you want to lose weight and not deal with all the BS, get a calorie counter app for your phone and start at 1200 per day.

The best foods are those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Fish, shrimp, white chicken, etc. Especially important when you want to shed fat and maintain or build muscle.
Then explain Jason Wittrocks 4k 21 day challenge were he lost weight? And he ate around 1200 calorie over his maintenence.
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I am a flight attendant and it isn't uncommon to have 5, sometimes 6, flights back to back. 1 hour to 1.5 hour flights with 35 minute ground times. The 35 min ground time includes deplaning, cleaning, boarding, emergency briefing and security duties... the flight includes serving 48 people per flight attendant at once. I typically can't get a break for food until about 1:45 long flights (if my people aren't needy).
I try not to work the days set up like this, but I am extremely junior as far as seniority. Junior people like me get the worst shifts.


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I figured it had to be something where you were on your feet, but not what I would call high exertion. Those days lull you into thinking you are doing nothing, but the reality is so much different. Reminds me a lot of recruiting fairs... standing for 10-12 hours, constantly talking, shaking hands with people, very few breaks, not on your own schedule. Those days were miserable until I finally broke it down and attacked it like a 10 hour workout (I used to ride for 7 hours on a bike without only bathroom breaks.) On days like that, I'd rather not eat lunch. Eat a good fiber/cereal breakfast, Drink lots of fluids, non-sugary fluids, and snack on trail mix/jerky/cereal bars whenever I got a free 20-30 second break. After those days, reload on some good carbs/protein and the next morning it felt like nothing. Those were great calorie deficit days because I ate less throughout the day, but ate very small, quick, slow burning food that didn't need to be refrigerated and I could keep in a pocket.
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Then explain Jason Wittrocks 4k 21 day challenge were he lost weight? And he ate around 1200 calorie over his maintenence.
Had to Google him. Looks like a professional body builder? You buying what he's selling? Science doesn't lie. If you burn more than you eat, you loose weight. I'm just an average Joe not an internet body builder. What worked for me was calorie counting. And it's way easier than people think.
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Ps. I'm not saying this Ketogenic diet doesn't work. Never tried it. However, it's safer and easier to just watch your calories and do a little exercising.
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Had to Google him. Looks like a professional body builder? You buying what he's selling? Science doesn't lie. If you burn more than you eat, you loose weight. I'm just an average Joe not an internet body builder. What worked for me was calorie counting. And it's way easier than people think.

He's a fitness guy not a bb'er but that's splitting hairs. I don't buy his bf% but he seams as a non snake oil kinda guy.
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He's a fitness guy not a bb'er but that's splitting hairs. I don't buy his bf% but he seams as a non snake oil kinda guy.
Gotcha. We'll I'm just a bow hunting and fishing nut and just sharing what worked for me.
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LMAO!!!!!!!! Dude, are you freakin serious??! It is 100% calories in versus calories out! If you eat 600 calories worth of twinkies every day, you lose a ton of weight. I don't care if you eat lard. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. I lost 50 pounds 3 years ago, and have kept it off. If you want to lose weight and not deal with all the BS, get a calorie counter app for your phone and start at 1200 per day.

The best foods are those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Fish, shrimp, white chicken, etc. Especially important when you want to shed fat and maintain or build muscle.
While it's true what you say, 600 calories of whatever you will lose the same amount of "weight" it's the type of weight that might surprise you. 600 calories of twinkies and your body is stripping amino acids from your muscle tissue, it HAS to have them, they are essential. 600 calories of steak/chicken/veggies and guess what... So if you want to be skinny-fat then by all means eat those 600 calories of twinkies.

In the end, keto diets are also simply calories in vs calories out. The benefits are far greater than simply dropping some "weight" and in fact I'm currently bulking on a keto diet so intentionally gaining weight.

I'm not disagreeing with your main point though, it IS easier for MOST people to simply restrict calories.

edit: Great progress by the way ^^

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While it's true what you say, 600 calories of whatever you will lose the same amount of "weight" it's the type of weight that might surprise you. 600 calories of twinkies and your body is stripping amino acids from your muscle tissue, it HAS to have them, they are essential. 600 calories of steak/chicken/veggies and guess what... So if you want to be skinny-fat then by all means eat those 600 calories of twinkies.

In the end, keto diets are also simply calories in vs calories out. The benefits are far greater than simply dropping some "weight" and in fact I'm currently bulking on a keto diet so intentionally gaining weight.
Agreed. That's why I followed up with the best foods being those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Only thing that bothered me was the comment about calories in versus calories out being "bogus".
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I figured it had to be something where you were on your feet, but not what I would call high exertion. Those days lull you into thinking you are doing nothing, but the reality is so much different. Reminds me a lot of recruiting fairs... standing for 10-12 hours, constantly talking, shaking hands with people, very few breaks, not on your own schedule. Those days were miserable until I finally broke it down and attacked it like a 10 hour workout (I used to ride for 7 hours on a bike without only bathroom breaks.) On days like that, I'd rather not eat lunch. Eat a good fiber/cereal breakfast, Drink lots of fluids, non-sugary fluids, and snack on trail mix/jerky/cereal bars whenever I got a free 20-30 second break. After those days, reload on some good carbs/protein and the next morning it felt like nothing. Those were great calorie deficit days because I ate less throughout the day, but ate very small, quick, slow burning food that didn't need to be refrigerated and I could keep in a pocket.


Thats a pretty spot on description, but the one thing that is different is the constantly moving floor. I was really suprised at the fatigue level from a day of flying when I started, especially when my previous job was much more labor intensive. Probably a low-moderate exertion level. Longer flight days are much more leisurely.

If I could eat a decent sized breakfast, your description above would be perfect. For some reason, I need a couple hours before I can eat without getting nauseous.


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Then explain Jason Wittrocks 4k 21 day challenge were he lost weight? And he ate around 1200 calorie over his maintenence.
Easy. If you pay attention to your body during weight loss, gains, and changing eating habbits, you will know what happened and why. I don't even have to google it.

It is a big pile of poop. I bet his poop could fuel a fire for quite some time. His poop was taking a bubble bath in a pool of foamy ****. His body just didn't process all those calories.

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LMAO!!!!!!!! Dude, are you freakin serious??! It is 100% calories in versus calories out! If you eat 600 calories worth of twinkies every day, you lose a ton of weight. I don't care if you eat lard. If you burn more than you eat, you lose weight. I lost 50 pounds 3 years ago, and have kept it off. If you want to lose weight and not deal with all the BS, get a calorie counter app for your phone and start at 1200 per day.

The best foods are those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Fish, shrimp, white chicken, etc. Especially important when you want to shed fat and maintain or build muscle.

http://www.marksdailyapple.com/7-com...top-believing/

There is a lot more science out there on this topic as well. Not all calories are equal.

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Agreed. That's why I followed up with the best foods being those highest in protein and lowest in calories. Only thing that bothered me was the comment about calories in versus calories out being "bogus".
It is "bogus" when presented as being that simple, because it's not.
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Thats a pretty spot on description, but the one thing that is different is the constantly moving floor. I was really suprised at the fatigue level from a day of flying when I started, especially when my previous job was much more labor intensive. Probably a low-moderate exertion level. Longer flight days are much more leisurely.

If I could eat a decent sized breakfast, your description above would be perfect. For some reason, I need a couple hours before I can eat without getting nauseous.


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I can do it with fiber cereal, skim milk. I can't do it with eggs, bacon, etc. I digest cereal and skim milk really fast.

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Gotcha. We'll I'm just a bow hunting and fishing nut and just sharing what worked for me.

That's why some do keto vs iifym vs low fat. We all do what's best for us. Eating at a deficit of 2600 cal on keto works good for me

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I can do it with fiber cereal, skim milk. I can't do it with eggs, bacon, etc. I digest cereal and skim milk really fast.

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I can't do much of anything. I've tried cereal with almond milk, fruit only, shakes, smoothies, granola... it all gives me nausea unless I've had a couple hours after getting up. That really messes with early shift days...


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Curious, when do you eat dinner? and how close to before bed do you eat? versus when you get up in the morning?

We tend to eat dinner between 5pm and 6pm... and when I go into my weight loss regime, I tend to make a rule that says no eating after 7pm. I make exceptions to this for if I can't eat dinner until after 7pm (rarely) or if I am doing a evening strength workout and I want to drink some protein for quick uptake/repair.

My wife never liked to eat breakfast. She wasn't hungry and forcing it was always a bad idea (I would tell her that she needed to eat something before going and working out.) Recently though, she hasn't had problems eating a bowl of cereal in the morning and going and working out within an hour... and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that she isn't snacking big snacks just before bed any more.

She wakes up wanting to eat now.
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Curious, when do you eat dinner? and how close to before bed do you eat? versus when you get up in the morning?



We tend to eat dinner between 5pm and 6pm... and when I go into my weight loss regime, I tend to make a rule that says no eating after 7pm. I make exceptions to this for if I can't eat dinner until after 7pm (rarely) or if I am doing a evening strength workout and I want to drink some protein for quick uptake/repair.



My wife never liked to eat breakfast. She wasn't hungry and forcing it was always a bad idea (I would tell her that she needed to eat something before going and working out.) Recently though, she hasn't had problems eating a bowl of cereal in the morning and going and working out within an hour... and I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that she isn't snacking big snacks just before bed any more.



She wakes up wanting to eat now.


It really depends on what's going on. If I am at home, we usually eat around 8:00 when my wife gets home from work.

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AM's I could eat as early as 5:00 or 6:00 local time as I tend to be getting to the hotel by then.
PM's I could eat as late as midnight for the same reason.


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It really depends on what's going on. If I am at home, we usually eat around 8:00 when my wife gets home from work.

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AM's I could eat as early as 5:00 or 6:00 local time as I tend to be getting to the hotel by then.
PM's I could eat as late as midnight for the same reason.


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So much variability. I can see how a peanut butter spread energy diet is nice, but I can see how a restrictive diet will be a problem. My life is fairly routine, but is so variable within that routine that I need a balance of options.

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So much variability. I can see how a peanut butter spread energy diet is nice, but I can see how a restrictive diet will be a problem. My life is fairly routine, but is so variable within that routine that I need a balance of options.

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I typically carry a food bag to cover me 5-6 out the 9 meals per trip. Not for any diet reason, but to save money. Hotel and airport meals are beyond expensive. (3-day food budget is $75 without packing my own meals, I can't justify that) The hard part is not having a place to heat things up on the plane. This restrictive diet isn't too bad because unbreaded wings, steaks, bun-less burgers, grilled chicken, salmon etc is very easy to get without added carbs.


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The wife and I are starting today, and I was checking to see if anyone else was on it, maybe get some good recipes or pointers.

For those of you that don't know what a ketogenic diet is,
It is designed to break your body's use of glucose and suppress insulin production. This causes your body to live off of ketones instead of glucose, and ketones are pulled directly from fat.
Supposed to end up with longer lasting energy, body fat reduction, and fewer cravings throughout the day.

The diet is typically structured about
70% fat
25% protein
5% carbs

Supposedly the first few weeks are a little rough to get through as your body weans itself off of living from blood sugar, but after that it is supposed to be pretty easy as diets go.

I'm 172.8 today, and goal is 155. Not doing it quickly, just ending up there at some point.


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Unless you are a horse jockey or 4'6", 172.8# is not over weight.
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I typically carry a food bag to cover me 5-6 out the 9 meals per trip. Not for any diet reason, but to save money. Hotel and airport meals are beyond expensive. (3-day food budget is $75 without packing my own meals, I can't justify that) The hard part is not having a place to heat things up on the plane. This restrictive diet isn't too bad because unbreaded wings, steaks, bun-less burgers, grilled chicken, salmon etc is very easy to get without added carbs.


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Not being able to heat things up is why I would want whole grain breads, fruit, nuts, etc. Not being able to refrigerate is the same reason. There is only so much canned chicken/tuna a man can eat (well, that IS the point of this diet.)

Kinda also reminds me of hiking trips or vacations. So we don't eat out, we pack an orange, bag of chips, and a peanut butter sandwich when we are on vacations. Really helps as none needs cooling and a PB&J has all the fat, fast, and slow carbs you need. Goes down quick too.

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Unless you are a horse jockey or 4'6", 172.8# is not over weight.


I don't consider myself "overweight" just not where I want to be.


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Not being able to heat things up is why I would want whole grain breads, fruit, nuts, etc. Not being able to refrigerate is the same reason. There is only so much canned chicken/tuna a man can eat (well, that IS the point of this diet.)

Kinda also reminds me of hiking trips or vacations. So we don't eat out, we pack an orange, bag of chips, and a peanut butter sandwich when we are on vacations. Really helps as none needs cooling and a PB&J has all the fat, fast, and slow carbs you need. Goes down quick too.

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My bag stays cool well, I already pack things like cheeses, soups, meats and such. We are working on some travel friendly snack and meal recipes for me.


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Well, if I were to go on this insane diet (and I wouldn't), the following would be in my bag of snacks:

Summer sausage or dried sausage
Big plastic container of assorted nuts
Cheese sticks
Whey protein powder with shaker bottle
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Canned tuna, chicken, salmon with trail dust seasoning.
I can my own venison so that
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