Ilegal 9 point

[DeadEyeB]

I applaud you for take your kid hunting.

Where I get confused, is passing a legal buck THAT THEY WANT TO SHOOT in the name of “management “

I have zero desire to shoot a young deer anymore, none.... but my daughter don’t know how to age and I watched her shake like micheal j fox shooting a year and a half 3 pt. She’s hooked... it’s a deer.... they make more every year.... it’s small low fence property

Take them hunting AND HAVE FUN!!! &@$% management. Manage to have fun with your kids. You never know how long you got. So enjoy

you aren't the center of the universe man..

You literally said you are on small property.. What if all your small property neighbors did the same thing? What if they all had 3 kids all shooting young bucks?

It absolutely WILL jack your herd up.

Your daughter would have been fine with a doe and my guess is you have an over abundance of them with that mentality.

no one gives a **** about their neighbors anymore. This is why there are high fences going up left and right.

[kyle1974]

why don't I ever see threads complaining about minimum size on fish?

get over it already...antler restrictions are effective for 99% of the deer out there.

[Smart]

yes I do. I listen to the people who make a living studying deer. I unlike some dont live in a small little world where I think I am the expert. i get all my knowledge from those that are the experts and whom have the education and experience to back up what they are saying.

How dare you use actual wildlife biologist data and foil the opinions of the armchair wildlife biologists based solely on emotion, lack of patience and instant gratification .

Down with Deer Socialism!![emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Smart]

Ilegal 9 point

why don't I ever see threads complaining about minimum size on fish?



get over it already...antler restrictions are effective for 99% of the deer out there.

I once caught a sexually mature trout that was only 14 7/8” long. I was devastated I had to throw him back. Plus that same day I caught 4 reds over 20” and had to throw one of them back too... I’m not even going to talk about the load of them over 28” I had to throw back. Those are the real trophies! TPW sucks... fish socialism.

[kyle1974]

I once caught a sexually mature trout that was only 14 7/8” long. I was devastated I had to throw him back. Plus that same day I caught 4 reds over 20” and had to throw one of them back too... I’m not even going to talk about the load of them over 28” I had to throw back. Those are the real trophies! TPW sucks... fish socialism.

What about the children!!??????!! [emoji23]


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[jshouse]

I guess that 6.5 year old buck with a 12” spread is not mature yet?

can you show me one? i like seeing all the mature <13" bucks, along with the 4yo spikes

they do allow you to make your choices on your property and it cost nothing. it Is called MLDP

Good point and if you don't qualify for MLD your place is too small and you don't need to be shooting that 10 inch buck anyways.

you guys make it sound like MLD is just something you can sign up for. explain the "too small" comment, as an owner of 50 acres that wouldnt qualify for MLD, i am interested to see what you mean, that my place is too small.



i am in favor of AR, i have 2 sons and we have sat and watched <13" bucks a few times this year, i had to explain to them why we cant shoot them and a squirrel ended feeling the wrath of the 7-08 (a barnes vor-tx will literally gut a squirrel at 20y) because of it.

[jshouse]

you aren't the center of the universe man..

You literally said you are on small property.. What if all your small property neighbors did the same thing? What if they all had 3 kids all shooting young bucks?

It absolutely WILL jack your herd up.

Your daughter would have been fine with a doe and my guess is you have an over abundance of them with that mentality.

no one gives a **** about their neighbors anymore. This is why there are high fences going up left and right.

salty

[gingib]

why don't I ever see threads complaining about minimum size on fish?

get over it already...antler restrictions are effective for 99% of the deer out there.

Exactly. Always someone complaining.

The people who want to just shoot anything and want instant gratification

[doright]

Just to stir the pot, for those comparing fish and deer, Fish in a private pond,lake,tank or pool and you can catch any keep any size deer you want. Fish in public waters and there is a size limit. The state also stocks fish in public waters. I don't see a share a lunker for big bucks. If the state wants to put a size limit on public hunting land then feel free to do so. Let the property owners do what they want with their land. Also this has nothing to do with instant gratification because I have let several legal deer walk just this year alone just hoping they will get bigger and better but the reality is they wont be much or any better next year.

[kyle1974]

Ilegal 9 point

For the folks upset about passing A deer with their kids, it’s no easier on managed places. I’ve hunted almost every weekend in general season with my boys and we have “passed” no less than 45 deer because they don’t fit the criteria of what we shoot. That does get a little depressing after a while. But when the right deer steps out, all that time spent cumulates into a great moment.

My older boy has sat around 20 times this season and has only killed pigs so far. My little guy connected this weekend finally. It was a Very rewarding kill for both of us. We try to make it about the whole experience and not just the kill.

[kyle1974]

Just to stir the pot, for those comparing fish and deer, Fish in a private pond,lake,tank or pool and you can catch any keep any size deer you want. Fish in public waters and there is a size limit. The state also stocks fish in public waters. I don't see a share a lunker for big bucks. If the state wants to put a size limit on public hunting land then feel free to do so. Let the property owners do what they want with their land. Also this has nothing to do with instant gratification because I have let several legal deer walk just this year alone just hoping they will get bigger and better but the reality is they wont be much or any better next year.

deer are a public resource. especially since they easily jump fences. The OP said he was hunting a small tract? possibly surrounded by other small tracts? who knows... whitetail can easily have a range of a square mile... much more during the rut. I have photos of deer that are 1.5 miles away within a couple days. hunting 40 acres and claiming a deer because you saw it does't pass the "it's mine" test...


just because you see the deer, doesn't make it your deer. that's the difference between bass in a privately stocked pond (high fence fish), and whitetail deer.

[Smart]

For the folks upset about passing A deer with their kids, it’s no easier on managed places. I’ve hunted almost every weekend in general season with my boys and we have “passed” no less than 45 deer because they don’t fit the criteria of what we shoot. That does get a little depressing after a while. But when the right deer steps out, all that time spent cumulates into a great moment.

My older boy has sat around 20 times this season and has only killed pigs so far. My little guy connected this weekend finally. It was a Very rewarding kill for both of us. We try to make it about the whole experience and not just the kill.

Good stuff right there!! Congrats to him !

[Briar Friar]

Just watched my 10yr old son let a ~4 year old walk because he was too close to call. Would've been a trophy in my day.

Good job Dad. Please tell your Son...Good job!

Sounds like he’ll be a good man soon enough.

Keep on keepin on.

[OldRiverRat]

Some of us believe our posterity should be hunters. Others believe they should be sportsmen. Not mutually exclusive you say? Well, yes, that’s true. But they have inherently different objectives.

Hunting focuses on killing an animal for food. Our earlier ancestors, native Americans, etc. were hunters, not sportsmen. Hunting was not always a sport.

Sporting focuses on means, methods, glorification of the animal (at least to a degree), and a higher level of fulfillment and satisfaction for the killer than just his belly.

Many of us are both. I personally feel both are fine. But whichever you are, nobody flat-out hunts out of necessity anymore. The cost to hunt, limited access to game (not necessarily population, but legalities/seasons, distance to hunt-able ground, etc) make your local grocer MUCH more economical. Sure, filling the freezer helps us justify our past time and offset some cost.

Nonetheless, TPWD’s push to get bucks to a mature age is sportsman-driven ($$$ debate aside), and many young hunters are just not there yet. Some are, and that’s fine, too. But it can have a negative effect on young hunters. Why should a hunter have to “earn” a kill over a long period of time? I don’t make my seven year old earn his protein every night. He is learning lessons of patience, drive, persistence in other areas of his life. The “sporting” mentality has overtaken our hunting culture and nearly replaced it’s basic tenant, providing food. Again, they can coexist, but I think we have to be careful to not lose sight of what it is we’re really doing, what really matters and what doesn’t.

I realize my position is counter to many reading this. But Sporting has been engrained in many of us and “hunting” has been redefined by the marketing, advertising and social media we see throughout the “hunting industry”, TBH being no exception—and really a guide for many, in some respects.

Make no mistake, I love big antlers. They make us proud. They’re a symbol of prowess and status in the animal kingdom. But should all hunters be forced to be sportsmen? Because, to suggest that a young kid killing an immature animal is likened to “everyone getting a trophy” and several other similar comments is basically asserting that it’s unacceptable simply be a hunter.

I’m sure I’ll get flamed on this because I realize hunting and sporting are one and the same to most here. But maybe it can be food for thought for some. I don’t know.

God bless and happy hunting. Or sporting.

this is spot on. the focus has shifted and it's not the same as when i was growing up. hunting was about the process and it didn't matter if the buck had 2 points or 10 points. It was about learning to put yourself in the right place at the right time, make a good shot and then learn about processing the animal. For my kids, i don't care how old the deer is, if they want to shoot it and it's legal then they get to pull the trigger.
My memories will be reflected in pictures of me standing next to my kids at the skinning rack with a smile on their face and mine, much better memory than talking about all those hours we waited for one particular buck to show up. As they get older and mature as hunters they will see things differently, it should be a natural evolution not forced.

[DeadEyeB]

this is spot on. the focus has shifted and it's not the same as when i was growing up. hunting was about the process and it didn't matter if the buck had 2 points or 10 points. It was about learning to put yourself in the right place at the right time, make a good shot and then learn about processing the animal. For my kids, i don't care how old the deer is, if they want to shoot it and it's legal then they get to pull the trigger.
My memories will be reflected in pictures of me standing next to my kids at the skinning rack with a smile on their face and mine, much better memory than talking about all those hours we waited for one particular buck to show up. As they get older and mature as hunters they will see things differently, it should be a natural evolution not forced.

except we've also grown wiser since back then. Biology and science has been proven thanks to the hard work done by A&M and the king ranch that you practice QDM because it's the right thing to do for a healthy herd. Even the antler restrictions have worked and deer populations are soaring.

The old way was wrong.. don't let your kids grow up learning the wrong way.

As time goes on more and more people are learning the correct way and if you go by the "it's brown it's down" mentality you will be the outcast.