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    #46
    Originally posted by topshot View Post
    i in no way advocate for wealth distribution. instead i am presenting the idea that people should do what they are gifted in. in so doing they will produce better ideas, products, results etc...rather than grinding for 30 years, hoping to make it to retirement so they can enjoy life.

    should tax payers pay for that? we already do imo. why not shift from social support to social incentive? my company pays me for school, as long as i make the grade...yet our govt hands out the money that you and i earn to people who dont work; wouldnt it be better if that same money went to someone after they produced a positive result instead of before.

    and dont think you will ever get the goverment to stop the handouts, thats not reality.
    I get the concept, but reality is different. I am a decent golfer, but knew I wasn't good enough without the total commitment of time to the sport to make a living at it. So I went to college and got a degree. However, if I was paid $10k/year, maybe I would have tried making golfing a career. The reality is, no matter how much time I devoted to it, I was never going to be a PGA professional. So, under the proposed system, I would have been a golf bum living off $10k/yr trying to make a living golfing, and never have bettered myself. It's a similar scenario to your guitar player scenario. No matter how good you think you are, you may never have the talent to be exceptional enough to make a lot of money doing it

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      #47
      Money must make people think they can say anything. What is $10K a year gonna buy you anyways? Make it $100K and maybe then I'll listen.

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        #48
        Only thing I want to know is will this pad my retirement funds by 10K/year??

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          #49
          Originally posted by Big Al View Post
          .” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

          In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!
          these idiots have lost all sense of reality, seriously they must live in some kind of la-la land.
          I guess that's what happens when you have more money than God.

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            #50
            Originally posted by Pedernal View Post
            Only thing I want to know is will this pad my retirement funds by 10K/year??
            Doubt it. You have money you probably won't get the check. Plus inflation will eat into your savings.

            Hard to imagine someone stupid enough to think we can just give all stupid people free money and those stupid people will then not be lazy but instead be productive. Wow!

            Why not just make it 1 million so we can all be millionaires?

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              #51
              A. Our Government is broke already..............unless you want to speak mandarin, bad idea (that and 1,000,000 other reasons).
              B. Ask yourself what % of lottery winners go broke ( I think >60%). It won't change a thing other then making drunks drunker and stoners stoneder

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                #52
                Originally posted by jerp View Post
                The idea is they would first do away with all other safety net programs - welfare, food stamps, etc. Even with that, the studies I have read say it would only be revenue neutral if there was a phase-out of the benefit at some income level, so it would not be anywhere near "Universal." Like many progressive ideas it sounds good "in theory". The extra income could free people up to pursue their dreams and what they have a passion for. In theory this could unleash all kinds of hidden genius. (maybe?)
                There are multiple downsides, IMO. First of all it fundamentally changes the relationship between the citizen and the state. We already have a sizable percentage of the population that sees the government as the provider of their needs. Do we want to expand that to everybody? Like many progressive ideas the flaw is due to their misunderstanding of basic human nature. When giving the chance, many, many people will take the path of least resistance - doing the least amount of work possible to get their basic needs met. It also cheapens the value of work. Any work - no matter how humble - builds character. Being self reliant adds meaning, purpose and a sense of self worth. Living off the labor of others - whether from inheritance or welfare - often magnifies the worst aspects of human nature.
                Absolutely. It has been proven time and time again, the more free stuff people get, the lazier they become! It is in our nature. Period. What kind of naive fool believes otherwise?

                It is hard to be sucessful. It is hard to actually make it as a.singer, golfer etc ( alluding to previous posts ). The reason it is hard is to weed out the weak, undedicated and soft. Thd struggle MAKES you into what is required for that job. It is the struggle that creates sucessful people. Yes, we need opportunity, but without the knowlege, skill and experience to capitalize on the opportunity we will fail.and the opportunity wasted!

                These foolish ideas come from minds that do not understand nature or human nature. Their minds are immature and foolish.

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                  #53
                  Originally posted by topshot View Post
                  I think what he is going for is this: many people are in the race to make ends meet, stuck doing jobs that they hate, and aren't good at, unable to pursue the jobs that they have natural giftings to do. not because they don't want to work and produce goods, but because they are stuck in a cycle of debt and cannot escape that to pursue the work that they would truly excel in, and find interesting, which would INCREASE productivity and quality since there would be passion behind their work.

                  I doubt he is saying we should give 10k to lazy people who don't want to do anything...

                  I'm all for empowering people to step into their true callings in life, it will produce far more benefits to the culture than people drudging on in their day to day monotony.

                  is his method the right one...i dont know.

                  ask yourself this question, Do I love what I do day-to-day and feel like I am helping to make the world a better place through my contributions at work?

                  if not - wouldn't you love the opportunity to shift into a position doing the thing you are gifted in, so you can grow and contribute to the world around you?
                  Barring all liberty, socialist and tax issues presented in this idea:

                  What percentage of Americans do you think actually think like that? In my opinion it is a very low number. So lets assume some actually would do.just what you suggested. Thats real nice, a small.gain in productivity from a small group of driven people. A group of people that are almost assuredly already productive due to their mindset. Then there is the large percentage ( an incredibly vast majority ) that sees it as another nice welfare check. How effective would that be?

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