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#51 |
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Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Cypress
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Yep. So are the millions that get to keep their healthcare.
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#52 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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There is hell to pay. If each of us did our job and informed 10 voters of the treachery these slime balls have hung around our necks like a dead chicken, we may prevail. Let's get it done and get these losers out of D.C.
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#53 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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![]() I know, you cannot answer this because your head is in your vagina but try to stay with me: What about the people who, because of Treason Care, lost or can no longer afford insurance they once had? Step up to the plate and play big boy games and answer the question. |
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#54 |
Banned!!!
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Cypress
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Single payer!!! Look it up on the inter web thingy.
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#55 |
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Join Date: Jul 2008
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Soooooooo, as stated, you can't answer the question.
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#56 |
Banned!!!
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Location: Cypress
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I just did!!! Single payer. Health care for ALL.
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#57 |
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Location: gonzales tx
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well it sounds good don't it. who is going to pay for it? my taxes are high enough right now.
do you think single payer will help out the economy or will it drive business out of the country. just something to ponder. ![]() |
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#58 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Dec 2009
Hunt In: Over yonder
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#59 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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Here are some questions to make my point:
When was the last time YOU had to financially meet payroll for employees? To be more specific, the money came from your account. When people or companies cannot afford your delusional utopia, what should happen to them? Imprisonment, torture, execution? Let's hear the financial genius that is SMC. Take your best swing. |
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#60 |
Banned!!!
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Location: Cypress
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I'm not a financial genius nor did I ever have to meet a payroll. I'm just a working dude. And all the companies I worked for paid full benifits. I have absolutely no problem paying more in taxes so everyone has healthcare.
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#61 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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What about the Government being able to force you purchase a product you may or may not have otherwise wanted? Do you have a problem with that?
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#62 |
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Nope. Just like the government mandated retirement plan that everyone pays into.
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#63 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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#64 |
Banned!!!
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Cypress
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Why do you call it theft.
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#65 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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Well, not everyone can be a thoroughbred. Some people will always be donkeys.
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#66 |
Ten Point
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#67 |
Banned!!!
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Location: Cypress
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It's worked for all these years. I've been hearing it's going to be broke for far more than 20 years. A lot of people depend on it.
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#68 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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![]() I can't opt out of it. I have no say what it is ACTUALLY used for. I receive no benefit from it and never will at my age. They are taking money from me AGAINST MY WILL to give to others that have paid in before me. It's Bernie Madolf with Government stamp of approval. Before you ask. Yes I feel the same way about most taxes. |
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#69 |
Ten Point
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Location: Conroe
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And what could those people have done with that money if they weren't forced to give it to Uncle Sugar? Do individuals not possess the right to choose for themselves what they do with what they earned?
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#70 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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This really belongs on a separate thread. I'll take care of it...
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#71 | |
Banned!!!
Join Date: Apr 2007
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I on the other hand, am happy to pay taxes. Yes really I am. I feel if you live in a society.... ya gots to pay. And here's the great part.... you do get to choose how it's spend. You vote!! But you don't always get your way agreed. But that's the price you pay to live in a society. |
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#72 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Montgomery
Hunt In: South Texas
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#73 |
Banned!!!
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Cypress
Hunt In: Looking for a place
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Hey!!! I didn't post that!!!
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#74 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2008
Hunt In: my birthday suit
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New thread is up.
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#75 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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I'm not saying all taxes. If Government would stay in it's lane, taxes would not be close to where they are and we would see the tangible benefits. Instead, they take, spend it on votes, programs that do nothing but keep the people "benefiting" from them down, waste it on contracts to friends, etc. |
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#76 |
Pope & Young
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Nobody was dying in the streets for lack of access to doctors before Obamacare. But if we end up with single payer government run healthcare, a whole bunch of people will not have access to the care they need when they need it. It will be like going to the DMV.
It's not about paying taxes or helping people who need help. It's about whether government or the private sector can do a better job in providing healthcare to the people. There will be flaws and weaknesses in either system, but if we let the government take control of it it will be worse than if the private sector runs it. THAT is what it's about. |
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#77 | |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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Nail on the head Shane. There is no incentive for efficiency, or quality in a Government run system. There will be incentive for collecting more taxes. |
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#78 |
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I just watched the actual video of the vote and McDramaqueen literally gave an arm-extended-long-pause-for-effect thumbs down to cast his vote against the bill i.e. Roman emperor style.
With his POW torture and his health issues, he seriously needs an intervention. |
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#79 | |
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It would likely greatly increase illegal immigration and cause many aspiring medical students to choose other careers outside of medicine leading to inevitable doctor shortages. Would you go through 15 years of med school taking on ~$500k in student loan debt to work a government job? |
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#80 |
Banned!!!
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Location: Cypress
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There are many things the private sector does better than the government. Healthcare isn't one of them.
I would refer you to stats in other first world countries but you wouldn't believe them. But US lags behind in pretty much all the metrics related to public health compared to countries that have single payer systems. And we pay more. Way more PS: before anyone tells me to move there..... I'm not!! Last edited by SMC; 07-28-2017 at 02:35 PM. Reason: . |
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#81 |
Pope & Young
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Just ask Charlie Gard's parents how well government run health insurance works.
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#82 | |
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Location: Conroe
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#83 | |
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#84 | |
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Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Northern Wise County
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#85 |
Banned!!!
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Location: Cypress
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Yeah right!! Ask parents that just lost their baby!! I can only imagine what they going thru.
This is not an issue that should be decided on emotions!! Facts!!! The problem is we believe in different sets of "facts" |
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#86 |
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Conroe
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Ok. Emotions aside, the facts are their government prevented him from getting the care that could have saved him.
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#87 |
Banned!!!
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Come on man!! That's not true at all. It's only the very very heeled people that come here. That too very very few compared to the populations of that countries
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#88 | |
Pope & Young
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Location: Abilene, TX
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![]() You can believe all the so-called statics that are slanted to "prove" an argument in favor of government run health insurance if you want to, but that doesn't make it fact that those systems are better than ours. The US has a lot more uninsured people showing up in those stats because of the huge illegal immigration problem that we have - that those other countries don't have. And yet, if you go to our emergency rooms, all those uninsured illegals are getting all the free healthcare they need. And people from the countries that have "better" healthcare than we do are coming here as well to get care. It shouldn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who has the best healthcare system on the planet. Why we'd want to be more like the countries who are lagging behind us in that regard is beyond me. |
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#90 | |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Littlefield
Hunt In: South Texas
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It's a numbers game Pure and simple Those one million took it on the chin for their country Thank you for their service |
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#91 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Austin
Hunt In: Franklin Co. - Fish in Alaska
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Hey SMC - Do you personally know anyone that lives in a country with a single-payer socialized system? My bets are that you don't. I know a lot of Canadians. Went to college with them up in Alaska. Have met a bunch more while vacationing in Mexico. Not a single one of them felt the Canadian system was better than ours before ObamaCare. Not one. And all of them would come to the US to get treatment for something major when they could. Why? Because there aren't enough doctors, the doctors there aren't as good as the ones in the US and the government has to grant permission for certain procedures.
My facts come from people I've met and known from another country and hearing their stories. You have no clue. |
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#92 |
Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Littlefield
Hunt In: South Texas
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Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Littlefield
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How many physicians work at the VA? How many in the military? LoL How many doctors work at county hospitals? Prisons? |
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#94 |
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Location: Conroe
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Ten Point
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Littlefield
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I've lived in England with the British one Oh and the French one once we visited St Barths and I got ocean water stuck in my ear and their little clinic on island got it out for me for free. Not emergency. Just an urgent care visit. Yes, people from Texas that cast and blast actually do get out in the world |
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#96 |
Ten Point
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#97 | |
Banned!!!
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Again like I said it boils down to if you believe cnn or brietbart for your facts. |
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#98 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Littlefield
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That case was not about health insurance and you know it. The parents had the money to seek treatment elsewhere but the govt said the boy was too sick to travel. I've already linked a similar case in the USA from 3years ago |
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#99 |
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And you want the governments who wrote those kids off as a lost cause to be in charge of health care.
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#100 |
Pope & Young
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: North Texas
Hunt In: Haskell County, TX
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![]() Typical liberal spin. Everyone in the United States has access to healthcare even before Obamacare. No one is being refused needed medical care and dying in the streets. Health insurance is a whole Nother discussion. But in typical liberal fashion they want everyone to be exactly the same. To hell with the 88% of people who were happy with their current insurance planned most of which can no longer get that plan but lets appease the 12% that did not have health insurance even though the majority of those voluntarily chose not to purchase it. Do you realize how stupid that is? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro |
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