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Old 09-21-2018, 09:29 AM   #151
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Never said a Democrat would be better, but at least it wont be Dan Patrick. Guy is a straight running jerk.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:41 AM   #152
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Its a reoccurring theme for districts. Crosby ISD is broke and looking at mid year layoffs. Prior administration officials overspent by million dollars over the last 3 school years and now we are having to dig out of the hole. Its going to be a mess for a while. Teachers have been told they shouldn't use copy paper and are having to email parents to setup classroom donations so that they have enough supplies to make effective lessons for the kids.

FWIW, the playgrounds that are "approved" are much more expensive than you think. Our Kindergarten Center is trying to fund raise for a new playground and its around $75k....and doesn't get you near what you think it should.
It's the same old political stance.. Spend ALL the money on things they want first...Then when the money runs out threaten to cut back on the real things that are needed to make people feel guilty (like teacher pay, layoffs, school supplies) You know..the (lots of curse words here) stuff that obviously should be 1st on the list for education.
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Old 09-21-2018, 09:56 AM   #153
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There is a very easy answer....if you don't like what the local boards are doing, then get on one and quit bitchin', get to work and fix it.

I attend a few school board meetings a year and there is very little participation from the public at large and when there is, our local board generally embraces it.

It is a thankless job, that is a lot tougher than you think, and they don't get paid, they volunteer.

Good schools are the foundation for good communities and good facilities are part of that.

My guess is most of the board positions run un-opposed, they probably have to find volunteers....get involved it will open your eyes.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:01 AM   #154
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
sounds great!!
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:04 AM   #155
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
These are great programs, our high school has had it for 20+ years. We had a lot of guys in my class, who wanted nothing more than to swing a hammer and build things, and are very good at it, but couldn't tell you what the square root of 4 was. Each year of high school, our class built a habitat for humanity house, then shipped it to a foundation. We literally learned how to build a house from permitting to turning the keys over to the owner.

Glad to see it is being re-implemented here in Texas.
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The freshman center is ridiculous too! I've received 4 e-mails this week alone asking for some type of donations for things that I feel should be covered by our taxes.
Looked at my tax statement yesterday and was again seriously angry over the ASID portion. Looking at retirement in a few years and no way I'm staying here and pay that obscene bill. Thank you very much Allen for robbing my wallet for another year.
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These are great programs, our high school has had it for 20+ years. We had a lot of guys in my class, who wanted nothing more than to swing a hammer and build things, and are very good at it, but couldn't tell you what the square root of 4 was. Each year of high school, our class built a habitat for humanity house, then shipped it to a foundation. We literally learned how to build a house from permitting to turning the keys over to the owner.

Glad to see it is being re-implemented here in Texas.
Lots of these programs exist in Texas. A buddy of mine helped start a welding program in Splendora ISD that certified young men as welders upon completion. There is a district (I can't recall which one) that does airplane mechanics sponsored by an airline. I wanted to do something that was specific to civil construction rather than general construction practices. I know how hard it is to find good people, so we decided to help create them.
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It's the same old political stance.. Spend ALL the money on things they want first...Then when the money runs out threaten to cut back on the real things that are needed to make people feel guilty (like teacher pay, layoffs, school supplies) You know..the (lots of curse words here) stuff that obviously should be 1st on the list for education.
All correct. Buy what you want then complain you can't pay your bills.
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Old 09-21-2018, 10:33 AM   #159
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Donít get me started...could throw some $ toward school safety measures but the money was spent on recreation
This is my complaint, and my soap box stands a little taller than most. I'm all for Highschool football, but if your district can't pass a school safety audit, then a portion of their bond money meant for their new football stadium needs to be diverted into a safety fund. Problem is the state of Texas has no such standard. The bar need to be set and districts should be held accountable for falling short.
Priorities change quick when you start getting into peoples pocket.
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:43 AM   #160
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ITS FOR THE CHILLREN, PAY UP

If not a bunch of jackaszes will just put it in a bond election with a bunch of other junk and you will get to pay for that too, cause a bunch of jackwagons will say, "its for the chillren" and the other jackwagons will vote for it
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Old 09-21-2018, 11:59 AM   #161
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You guys are still all way off base from the OP. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the school board. This is a group of parents and teachers (PTA) that are raising money to do something they think needs to be done. I don't understand how people can't decipher between the two. These people all volunteer a ton of time, effort and energy to try and make a difference. The money is not controlled by the board, district, school, just the parents and teachers that chose to be a part of that organization.
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You guys are still all way off base from the OP. This has absolutely ZERO to do with the school board. This is a group of parents and teachers (PTA) that are raising money to do something they think needs to be done. I don't understand how people can't decipher between the two. These people all volunteer a ton of time, effort and energy to try and make a difference. The money is not controlled by the board, district, school, just the parents and teachers that chose to be a part of that organization.
I understand that perfectly. But just like the guy above stated "spend the money on things you want first and then beg for the things you need". If the playground needs updated it quite possibly be because some things on it are out dated and unsafe. (IDK) That has everything to do with the School board and should be prioritized over frivolous spending such as the big screen TV in the teachers lounge.
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The house that Kyler built!!
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I understand that perfectly. But just like the guy above stated "spend the money on things you want first and then beg for the things you need". If the playground needs updated it quite possibly be because some things on it are out dated and unsafe. (IDK) That has everything to do with the School board and should be prioritized over frivolous spending such as the big screen TV in the teachers lounge.
And the school board knows the PTA can beg for money, for the children, and get it...That's why they buy what they want first.
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It couldn't be just for improvement based on what the teachers/parents want could it? Oh wait, from the very site of this school which the OP posted upon:

This year our fundraising goal is to raise $17,000 for playground improvements
(update our blacktop with games/activities, similar to Story Elementary, and add soccer goals).


Says nothing about disrepair, or anything of the sort. If you want to have a discussion about misappropriations, we can have that, but this OP was all about him now know what the donation was for, and then several people hopping in about it was the board, or.... They dont need these things, they want them, thus the asking of donations.
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ya'll go got nothing to complain about, read about what happened at Beaumont ISD and see the fbi investigation and arrests and indictments that resulted,,,,, I keep hoping they will actually go after the ring master super,,,
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Clear Creek built a new stadium a few years ago....$39,000,000. Alvin ISD has theirs at $41,000,000. Clear Creek was sharing one VERY OLD stadium for 6-6A Schools. They needed a new place. THey have held state track meets there as well. Nice place. Both of my kids are in college now so of course I do not like paying the taxes. LOL
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
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It doesn't surprise me at all that you are in on something like that. I'm a member of a council of folks in my business, and we collectively are supporting similar programs.

I know you already know this, but we are in the middle of a labor crisis right now. There are too many kids getting college degrees that just don't pay off. They don't want to really work, And we just don't have enough "legal" guys who will do the actual work.

I don't know the real solution to the problem, but I do know that it's going to cost EVERYONE more money pretty soon. And if the wall builders get their way...I'm gonna pass the losses on to them....and they are NOT going to like it.


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Agree. There needs to be more of this. Our oldest is a HS senior this year, almost straight A's and never an ounce of trouble out of him. We have encouraged him to think outside the college box when it comes to a career and look into going into some sort of an apprenticeship straight out of high school. Even to take college classes to get a degree that may help with advancement along the way and do the above at the same time. He has spent the last 3 summers working for his uncles framing houses and doing manual labor and he says he actually really enjoyed it.
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:04 PM   #169
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It couldn't be just for improvement based on what the teachers/parents want could it? Oh wait, from the very site of this school which the OP posted upon:

This year our fundraising goal is to raise $17,000 for playground improvements
(update our blacktop with games/activities, similar to Story Elementary, and add soccer goals).


Says nothing about disrepair, or anything of the sort. If you want to have a discussion about misappropriations, we can have that, but this OP was all about him now know what the donation was for, and then several people hopping in about it was the board, or.... They dont need these things, they want them, thus the asking of donations.
Look at my OP. I said "upgrades". The way I see it, what they want are upgrades and should be handled with monies already being paid by the citizens.
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No, that isn't how any of this works lol. (Insert the old lady posting on her wall meme).
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Old 09-21-2018, 01:46 PM   #171
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A bond issue is the exact definition of a loan.

The bond buyer agrees to loan the school district money for a set period of time with the promise of the funds being paid back at a set interest rate.
Yeah and then the citizens are responsible for paying that note off through higher than giraffe *** school taxes whether they want it or not. It's easy to pay for something when it's someone else's money...La Grange just did the same **** thing for almost $60 mil when I've had more than a handful of people in the large construction field tell me it could have been done for $35, $40 mil tops.

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If you want to have a discussion about misappropriations, we can have that.
I thought that was the intent of the OP. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the subject changed.

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Allen has good Schools
good Parks and Neighborhoods
good Property value

Doesn't seem like it's all that bad of a place. Seem to be doing a good job overall.
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I thought that was the intent of the OP. Just because you don't agree doesn't mean the subject changed.

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No he thought the school/District/Board was soliciting donations when in fact it is/was the PTA
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Lots of these programs exist in Texas. A buddy of mine helped start a welding program in Splendora ISD that certified young men as welders upon completion. There is a district (I can't recall which one) that does airplane mechanics sponsored by an airline. I wanted to do something that was specific to civil construction rather than general construction practices. I know how hard it is to find good people, so we decided to help create them.
No doubt, my wife and I don't have any kids, so I am somewhat out of the loop on vocation education here in Texas high school's. It's good to see folks like you, taking an active role to change it.

My wife and I do our own part to show kids they can make a lot of money without a college education, and it blows my mind how many kids have it instilled in them from day 1 that college is the ONLY way to make millions, or even a living.

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No he thought the school/District/Board was soliciting donations when in fact it is/was the PTA
No, He thought the Parents and Teachers (PTA) were asking for money because they were forced to pick up the slack after the school board wasted all the tax money. But really, I can't say for sure what the OP was really talking about because I don't know him from Adam.
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No he thought the school/District/Board was soliciting donations when in fact it is/was the PTA


A distinction with little difference though.


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There is an incredible amount of wasteful spending in public education, just like any other governmental bureaucracy. I wouldn't give them another dime. They need to learn how to use your tax dollars more wisely. Of course they always lean on the "It's for the children" argument and try to tug on folks' heartstrings. Sadly, the general public falls for this regularly. Then, for those that don't, they are shouted down as heartless and not caring about kids or their education. Because, after all, they are our future....blah, blah. Blah. This has lead to crazy spending on all the wrong stuff, IMHO.
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No he thought the school/District/Board was soliciting donations when in fact it is/was the PTA
I got an e-mail from The Friends of Anderson. It did not include anything that said it was the PTA. It just said they were asking for donations. I didn't know who the heck they were. My son went to school here in Allen and even went to Anderson. Now his daughter goes there and this is the first time I ever heard about them.


Don't get me wrong, I don't mind donating for things like the school carnival, after school programs and things of that nature. Heck, I'll help them convert a closet into a "I'm A Little Snowflake Safe Room". But if it is an upgrade, update or any thing involving the actual school or school grounds, it needs to be paid with district money that we the citizens pay each year.

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I got an e-mail from The Friends of Anderson. It did not include anything that said it was the PTA. It just said they were asking for donations. I didn't know who the heck they were. My son went to school here in Allen and even went to Anderson. Now his daughter goes there and this is the first time I ever heard about them.


Don't get me wrong, I don't mind donating for things like the school carnival, after school programs and things of that nature. Heck, I'll help them convert a closet into a "I'm A Little Snowflake Safe Room". But if it is an upgrade, update or any thing involving the actual school or school grounds, it needs to be paid with district money that we the citizens pay each year.
And there you have it, from Goldeneagle himself. Get ready for the people that disagree with you to tell you what you were really thinking.
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I got an e-mail from The Friends of Anderson. It did not include anything that said it was the PTA. It just said they were asking for donations. I didn't know who the heck they were. My son went to school here in Allen and even went to Anderson. Now his daughter goes there and this is the first time I ever heard about them.


Don't get me wrong, I don't mind donating for things like the school carnival, after school programs and things of that nature. Heck, I'll help them convert a closet into a "I'm A Little Snowflake Safe Room". But if it is an upgrade, update or any thing involving the actual school or school grounds, it needs to be paid with district money that we the citizens pay each year.
From my understanding, the school district tax rate is actually two separate taxes. The Operations and Maintenance ("O&M") and the Interest and Sinking ("I&S"). The I&S rate is what funds most of the asset and infrastructure projects for school districts. The O&M is for general expenses and is capped by the state for most districts. Some things, of which I believe playgrounds are included, are lumped into the O&M budget because they are relatively small expenditures (when compared to schools) and they are short lived assets. The problem is that the O&M budget is usually very tight and 80% is typically payroll. This is why most schools go ahead and lump the big new playgrounds into the bond when the school is built, and are never touched again until a new school is built. Schools are also not permitted to use funds from one account for services in the other.
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So much misinformation on this thread! I needed a Friday afternoon chuckle, thanks boys carry on!

Collin County is one of the most expensive counties to live in Texas, between the toll roads, increasing home valuations which in turn raise taxes amounts, and general keeping up with the Jones'es, the cost of living in Plano, Allen, Frisco, Prosper, et all is only going to get more expensive and worse.

Basically you can't have nice things without people paying for them...unless you want an Obama I-Phone plan, lmao!
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From my understanding, the school district tax rate is actually two separate taxes. The Operations and Maintenance ("O&M") and the Interest and Sinking ("I&S"). The I&S rate is what funds most of the asset and infrastructure projects for school districts. The O&M is for general expenses and is capped by the state for most districts. Some things, of which I believe playgrounds are included, are lumped into the O&M budget because they are relatively small expenditures (when compared to schools) and they are short lived assets. The problem is that the O&M budget is usually very tight and 80% is typically payroll. This is why most schools go ahead and lump the big new playgrounds into the bond when the school is built, and are never touched again until a new school is built. Schools are also not permitted to use funds from one account for services in the other.
This is exactly the issue that Frisco ISD is in currently. People see these "mansion schools" and complain but don't realize another side of budget actually pays for the people that run it.
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Why don't we just all agree nearly every ISD spends way too much money on crap?

And they use the "it's for the children" to squeeze taxpayers for more money.

We all agree with these two things right?
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School board is so bad in Katy they put the stadium into a 700million dollar bond election because they knew it was the only way tax payers would approve it. The rest of the money was needed for improving existing, and building new schools. The stadium was 90 million and is not as nice as Allen's in my opinion. I think the contractor made a killing.
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$85 million for the football stadium in Cy Fair ISD. We don’t have enough money to buy books for the kids, but we got a nice football field!

P!$$#$ me off that uniforms and equipment are free for the football team, but I bet I’ve spent over $10k for my daughters drill team stuff and everything my son needs for ROTC.
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Wait....I think the Katy Stadium budget was $75MM-$90MM. So you're telling me that you could find nine 10ac sites near each respective high school, provide engineering and design, put in access roads, underground utilities, detention for drainage, metal bleachers to accommodate the fan base, concession stands, plumbing for restrooms, sub-field drainage, turf or grass fields, goal posts, locker rooms, lights, scoreboards, parking lots, and do it all for less than $10MM? Don't forget the maintenance on 9 facilities and the need to add a stadium when you add HS #10. I think that is very highly unlikely and logistically no feasible.
At least 4 of the high schools have fields that could play games and just had the cost of adding bleachers, and facilities. There was already one stadium. They built the second right next to it.
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Old 09-21-2018, 06:04 PM   #189
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Hey no worries, the elementary school kids someday can go to the stadium and play.

Plus with only one high school, they will always have competitive sports teams.

The taxpayers and school board got what they wanted.
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Old 09-21-2018, 06:13 PM   #190
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Some districts are building $20m indoor practice facilities. That right PRACTICE, so Jr. Doesn't have to break a sweat.

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From my understanding, the school district tax rate is actually two separate taxes. The Operations and Maintenance ("O&M") and the Interest and Sinking ("I&S"). The I&S rate is what funds most of the asset and infrastructure projects for school districts. The O&M is for general expenses and is capped by the state for most districts. Some things, of which I believe playgrounds are included, are lumped into the O&M budget because they are relatively small expenditures (when compared to schools) and they are short lived assets. The problem is that the O&M budget is usually very tight and 80% is typically payroll. This is why most schools go ahead and lump the big new playgrounds into the bond when the school is built, and are never touched again until a new school is built. Schools are also not permitted to use funds from one account for services in the other.
Finally...somebody that knows what the hell he's talking about.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:11 PM   #192
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Finally...somebody that knows what the hell he's talking about.
That doesn't matter. If we disagree we just say he's wrong.

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Old 09-21-2018, 07:18 PM   #193
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That doesn't matter. If we disagree we just say he's wrong.

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Old 09-21-2018, 07:25 PM   #194
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That's just the times we live in. They say that 47% of people on the web are quoting false statistics anyway. But statistically, 75% of all statistics are made up 25% of the time.

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Old 09-21-2018, 08:47 PM   #195
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Everyone keeps saying this. I live close enough to hear the PA system, bands and such. From my house, I have to drive by the stadium to get to just about everywhere. I never hear any of these other events. Every once in a while there will be a track meet or soccer game. I've never noticed any other teams playing when the Eagles are at away games either.
There aren't a lot but there are some. We, the fd, get OT to work some of them.


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Old 09-21-2018, 08:54 PM   #196
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School boards in general are no different from any other politicians. They are good at spending "our" money. Seguin ISD recently spent $1,000,000 on a football field score board.
Wow! I wonder who the contractor was for that inside job?
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NCAA just selected McKinney as the host for the 2018 Division II National Championship

https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/a...p-headed-texas
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This and paddles, discipline and power to the teachers!
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The BOARD of Education...
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If Texas put that much time and money on education....


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Old 10-05-2018, 07:26 AM   #200
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Why don't we just all agree nearly every ISD spends way too much money on crap?

And they use the "it's for the children" to squeeze taxpayers for more money.

We all agree with these two things right?
Yes and that goes for every gov. Entity.
You should see what my FD wastes money on
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