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Old 09-19-2018, 02:58 PM   #101
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School boards in general are no different from any other politicians. They are good at spending "our" money. Seguin ISD recently spent $1,000,000 on a football field score board.
And guess what, that money will be made back within 3 years because of advertising on that score board. Its important to know the facts.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:02 PM   #102
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And guess what, that money will be made back within 3 years because of advertising on that score board. Its important to know the facts.
How much do they make per advertisement on the board? Katy ISD said that same thing, and I haven't seen a figure for how much they actually make back per advertisement spot.

No doubt they get paid, but it would be interesting to know the real numbers, not just "We will get paid back".
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Its a reoccurring theme for districts. Crosby ISD is broke and looking at mid year layoffs. Prior administration officials overspent by million dollars over the last 3 school years and now we are having to dig out of the hole. Its going to be a mess for a while. Teachers have been told they shouldn't use copy paper and are having to email parents to setup classroom donations so that they have enough supplies to make effective lessons for the kids.

FWIW, the playgrounds that are "approved" are much more expensive than you think. Our Kindergarten Center is trying to fund raise for a new playground and its around $75k....and doesn't get you near what you think it should.
Crosby ISD also has the lowest taxes around, a simply bond would fix those issues.
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Texas is ridiculous with football. Tons of wasted money on sports when it should be invested in things that will help in the workforce. At least the fast food industry will never have an employee shortage.
You are preaching gospel ! Unfortunately, it will mostly fall on deaf ears.
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How much do they make per advertisement on the board? Katy ISD said that same thing, and I haven't seen a figure for how much they actually make back per advertisement spot.

No doubt they get paid, but it would be interesting to know the real numbers, not just "We will get paid back".
Not going to lie and say I know the numbers but I know ours cost more than that and it was paid off in 3 years, and since then everything has been pure profit. However you get people in the community who have no clue and they bad mouth the schools saying why do they need that, well it generates revenue.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:08 PM   #107
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Well if we are complaining about school taxes, why do does my wife and I have to pay school taxes when we don't have kids and never will? Heck we should get a tax break for not bringing more people into the world and in turn putting less burden on the resources and environment... .

That's a joke before anybody gets their undies in a bunch.

Greater good. You benefit from having a community with at least marginally educated citizens.

Same as with roads, police, and fire stations. You may not use them, but they are there for the greater good of the community. Basically exactly what government was initially intended to do.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:12 PM   #108
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The current state plan for funding education calls for continuing to raise property taxes and lower the amount of money the state contributes to schools. So, expect your taxes to continue to go up!
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:19 PM   #109
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Can't believe some of y'all have never seen Allen's stadium.
Every time I went on a trip, and people asked where I was from and I replied Allen, they all would say the same thing: "Oh! You're from the school that paid $60M for a stadium just for it to crack in one season!!"

It is a nice stadium. Lot of other schools playoff games are played in it.
Oh thatís the stadium, I remember someone telling me about that.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:21 PM   #110
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whenever you guys in the big cities get tired of paying for all that extra crap, move on down to my district! Our taxes aren't that high and we'd sure love to have ya come down and build a big house on some land! (especially if you have any high school aged boys that play football!!LMAO)
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:22 PM   #111
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I live near enough to the stadium to hear the bands, announcers, etc., what other "tons" of sports are being played there? All I hear are Thursday and Friday night games. Usual HS football.
I believe when Allen is playing away games other teams use the stadium, but I could be wrong. They definitely donít bring in the same amount of traffic that Allen home games do
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Voters havenít been proven to be too smart. They also voted for bonds to pay for Jerry World and the new Rangerís stadium.

If that ainít stupid I donít know what is.


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Old 09-19-2018, 03:24 PM   #113
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Greater good. You benefit from having a community with at least marginally educated citizens.

Same as with roads, police, and fire stations. You may not use them, but they are there for the greater good of the community. Basically exactly what government was initially intended to do.
I guess you missed the "it's a joke" part. I know how it works.
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The current state plan for funding education calls for continuing to raise property taxes and lower the amount of money the state contributes to schools. So, expect your taxes to continue to go up!
Thanks a lot Dan Patrick.... first time in my life I will vote against a Republican.
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Touche. I certainly did.
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Old 09-19-2018, 03:44 PM   #116
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Crosby ISD also has the lowest taxes around, a simply bond would fix those issues.
Based on TEA (Texas Education Agency), Crosby has the 14th highest M&O tax rate in the state and 12th highest total tax rate for ISD's. As far as a bond fixing the issue, to my knowledge bond funds are not allowed to be used for general fund shortfalls in general.
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Thanks a lot Dan Patrick.... first time in my life I will vote against a Republican.


Surely you donít plan to vote for the democrat.


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Just think of all the tax dollars these new companies coming in are paying. Your taxes would really be high if they weren't paying their fair share.
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Old 09-19-2018, 05:31 PM   #119
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Where do you want them to put the kids?
Schools of course but the point of my statement wasn't about building or not building schools it was to point out that just because a bond passes doesn't necessarily mean that the residents were "ok" with it.
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Texas is ridiculous with football. Tons of wasted money on sports when it should be invested in things that will help in the workforce. At least the fast food industry will never have an employee shortage.
Check out Allen's schools ratings. Some of the best in the country. Also u should see the high school. They have a full functioning restaurant that is fully ran by the students. They have a news station that the equipment is the same as the the big news stations. There theater is better than most cities. They are opening a STEM center in a few yrs which will be next to a new location of the community college that offers numerous duel credit courses that a ton of students are in. Also located within the stadium is a state of the art gym, the wrestling area along with an indoor hitting area for the golf team.

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Check out Allen's schools ratings. Some of the best in the country. Also u should see the high school. They have a full functioning restaurant that is fully ran by the students. They have a news station that the equipment is the same as the the big news stations. There theater is better than most cities. They are opening a STEM center in a few yrs which will be next to a new location of the community college that offers numerous duel credit courses that a ton of students are in. Also located within the stadium is a state of the art gym, the wrestling area along with an indoor hitting area for the golf team.

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I get all that. My question is why does Allen only have one high school? Other large ISD's in the State (like Katy, mentioned in this thread) have half a dozen or more high schools.

Seems Allen should be good at just about everything being like 3X's the size of an average 6A high school.
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I get all that. My question is why does Allen only have one high school? Other large ISD's in the State (like Katy, mentioned in this thread) have half a dozen or more high schools.

Seems Allen should be good at just about everything being like 3X's the size of an average 6A high school.
I dont know but it seems to work just fine. Also with the high school it's only 10-12 that is there. They have a separate freshman center that they actually just rebuilt. Also I dont think the population would justify more than one. Maybe 2 but then they would both be small.

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Football is the ONLY thing in the school that is profitable.. Think of the losses they take on all the other school sports (traveling, uniforms etc).... It's a non for profit until they stack 20k people in at $10 (+) bucks a pop on a Friday night. Nothing else in school districts do pay the bills like a football team.

Of course, i'm not actually sure how funds, tax dollars etc are allocated, but the above makes sense in my head haha.
10 games a years x 20,000 tickets x $10= $2 million / year.

That means that $60 million stadium doesn’t break even for 30 years on football revenue. 15 years if they have a Friday and Saturday game.
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Wow! Unbelievable
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Check out Allen's schools ratings. Some of the best in the country. Also u should see the high school. They have a full functioning restaurant that is fully ran by the students. They have a news station that the equipment is the same as the the big news stations. There theater is better than most cities. They are opening a STEM center in a few yrs which will be next to a new location of the community college that offers numerous duel credit courses that a ton of students are in. Also located within the stadium is a state of the art gym, the wrestling area along with an indoor hitting area for the golf team.

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Some might ask...Imagine how much they could lower taxes and improve the education across the board if they did away with half of that ancillary nonsense....and concentrated on education.


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10 games a years x 20,000 tickets x $10= $2 million / year.

That means that $60 million stadium doesnít break even for 30 years on football revenue. 15 years if they have a Friday and Saturday game.
It's not only allen that plays in that stadium. They host alot of other games as well. They also host other events there as well.

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Some might ask...Imagine how much they could lower taxes and improve the education across the board if they did away with half of that ancillary nonsense....and concentrated on education.


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Just imagine if vocational classes were put back in school and some could learn a little about real world application of using your hands and brains.
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Some might ask...Imagine how much they could lower taxes and improve the education across the board if they did away with half of that ancillary nonsense....and concentrated on education.


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They do ask and I'm not sure for how many yrs now but Allen continues to lower taxes.

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Just imagine if vocational classes were put back in school and some could learn a little about real world application of using your hands and brains.
I had heard some of those classes are being put back in.

The only reason i know alittle bit bout things is I work for the city. It's a great city to not only work but would be to live in as well. When my wife gets out of school we are looking to move to Allen just for the school system.

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And more sensible folks might realize that running a restaurant is the best foodservice and retail education you can get, and that hands-on journalism training using real equipment is the best journalism education you can get, and a set up offering dual college credit is the best education you can get and gets those educated kids into the workforce quicker and more prepared.

Or you could go with the cookie cutter schools that turned out tons of millenial kids that can (mostly) to plain old math and english and canít seem to get a job and move out of their parentsí basements. They sure know a lot about football though...
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It's not only allen that plays in that stadium. They host alot of other games as well. They also host other events there as well.

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I didnít say that wasnít the case, I was simply responding to the quote ďFootball is the ONLY thing in the school that is profitable.. Ē
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We didn't even have AC in school and my generation is a helluva lot smart than kids today.

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Schools of course but the point of my statement wasn't about building or not building schools it was to point out that just because a bond passes doesn't necessarily mean that the residents were "ok" with it.
I get it, but you are also inferring that the district should just stop going for it, thus no room for all the new students coming in to said district.

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You do understand that ONLY the voters can decide to build that stadium, right?
^^^ THIS. Honestly amazed at the lack of info/knowledge in this thread.
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And more sensible folks might realize that running a restaurant is the best foodservice and retail education you can get, and that hands-on journalism training using real equipment is the best journalism education you can get, and a set up offering dual college credit is the best education you can get and gets those educated kids into the workforce quicker and more prepared.



Or you could go with the cookie cutter schools that turned out tons of millenial kids that can (mostly) to plain old math and english and canít seem to get a job and move out of their parentsí basements. They sure know a lot about football though...


Good slaves though.


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You do understand that ONLY the voters can decide to build that stadium, right?


Curt is absolutely right! If the school boards would build the necessities they wouldnít be constantly tryin to pass $100mil bonds every 5 years. I vote against every time because I know what they really want to do with the money. Also, why are we paying coaches $120k a year as well as admin? Thatís my money and I know 90% of them arenít worth that much! One of the ****tiest assistant high school baseball coaches is now a principal? He should be flipping burgers!
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The voters in Baytown, GCCISD, just voted against two bond proposals that totaled $413 million. The proposals were thrown together in a short amount of time by a selected committee and put on a special ballot last May at a very high cost to taxpayers.
Prop B was for a $60 million building to hold graduations in, but they would rent it out for dance/cheer competitions.
Prop A did have 2 elementary and one Jr High school proposed, but didn't include buying land. The remaining $350+ million was for items such as i-Pads for every student K-12 (that only last 4-5 years), $30 million field house for coaches to watch film, but mostly M and O items that should have already been paid for, but the money already in that budget is being used to pay interest on the bond from 2013.
Citizens are asking for a forensic audit to find out where all the money is going. The district doesn't get any state money because the district says they can tax the citizens to get more money.
The district couldn't tell us how much our taxes would go up, they would tell us after it was passed???
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That is happening now, at Allen, and at Keller, that I know of. And it's a great idea.


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And more sensible folks might realize that running a restaurant is the best foodservice and retail education you can get, and that hands-on journalism training using real equipment is the best journalism education you can get, and a set up offering dual college credit is the best education you can get and gets those educated kids into the workforce quicker and more prepared.



Or you could go with the cookie cutter schools that turned out tons of millenial kids that can (mostly) to plain old math and english and canít seem to get a job and move out of their parentsí basements. They sure know a lot about football though...


I agree. I was just playing devils advocate, in that situation.


My home town of Keller has put in a really nice "vocation center" for lack of a better term. And I think it's a great idea.

Keller has never had a great football program either...at least not since I've been alive.



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That is happening now, at Allen, and at Keller, that I know of. And it's a great idea.


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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
Have you looked into partnering with Mike Rowe Works?
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.


It doesn't surprise me at all that you are in on something like that. I'm a member of a council of folks in my business, and we collectively are supporting similar programs.

I know you already know this, but we are in the middle of a labor crisis right now. There are too many kids getting college degrees that just don't pay off. They don't want to really work, And we just don't have enough "legal" guys who will do the actual work.

I don't know the real solution to the problem, but I do know that it's going to cost EVERYONE more money pretty soon. And if the wall builders get their way...I'm gonna pass the losses on to them....and they are NOT going to like it.


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Old 09-20-2018, 12:51 AM   #143
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It doesn't surprise me at all that you are in on something like that. I'm a member of a council of folks in my business, and we collectively are supporting similar programs.

I know you already know this, but we are in the middle of a labor crisis right now. There are too many kids getting college degrees that just don't pay off. They don't want to really work, And we just don't have enough "legal" guys who will do the actual work.

I don't know the real solution to the problem, but I do know that it's going to cost EVERYONE more money pretty soon. And if the wall builders get their way...I'm gonna pass the losses on to them....and they are NOT going to like it.


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If congress would get their heads out of their asses, a foreign worker permit program could help improve a lot of things including the "legal" worker shortage situation. Additionally, no welfare to able bodied people would help the same situation.

There are plausible solutions out there, we just have the most none functioning set of legislators ever!!
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:31 AM   #144
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I get all that. My question is why does Allen only have one high school? Other large ISD's in the State (like Katy, mentioned in this thread) have half a dozen or more high schools.

Seems Allen should be good at just about everything being like 3X's the size of an average 6A high school.
Allen used to be larger in physical size. Quite a bit of the land was annexed to Plano and Frisco. By doing this, the population per square mile stayed low enough to keep from having to build another HS. It keeps the super team intact.
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It's not only allen that plays in that stadium. They host alot of other games as well. They also host other events there as well.

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Everyone keeps saying this. I live close enough to hear the PA system, bands and such. From my house, I have to drive by the stadium to get to just about everywhere. I never hear any of these other events. Every once in a while there will be a track meet or soccer game. I've never noticed any other teams playing when the Eagles are at away games either.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:56 AM   #145
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Fact is, no one at the board level cares about education beyond getting butts in seats for the tax dollars. A big set of society couldn't care less either about education. When a functional illiterate that happens to be able to throw a ball comes along, people swoon over them. Heck look at all the football threads. Does anyone care that a lot of those kids are "earning" a useless degree? Nope, but they can sure run fast. Gotta keep building big stadiums to show how awesome we are. Meanwhile everything else is falling apart, no one learns a trade, teachers suffer, and the tax payers keep getting screwed.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:08 AM   #146
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If these stadiums bring in so much money. Why don't they just get a loan to build them? No need to have a bond election. Bond elections are for projects that won't ever pay for themselves.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:20 AM   #147
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We're sponsoring a program right now with our local school district with curriculum and hands on experience in civil construction. It includes reading plans, equipment operation, surveying and layout, safety, estimating, material purchasing and project management. It's in its infancy, but we have great hopes that it'll teach some valuable trades to the young men that want to go straight into the workforce.
That's awesome and good on you for sponsoring.

If it isn't part of the curriculum now add the importance of "doing what you say you're going to do when you say you're going to do it". Seems like none of the trades understand the importance of completion dates anymore.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:22 AM   #148
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If these stadiums bring in so much money. Why don't they just get a loan to build them? No need to have a bond election. Bond elections are for projects that won't ever pay for themselves.
A bond issue is the exact definition of a loan.

The bond buyer agrees to loan the school district money for a set period of time with the promise of the funds being paid back at a set interest rate.
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Old 09-20-2018, 08:58 AM   #149
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I would vote for a anyone with a beating heart before Dan Patrick, he is a complete jerk who hates public education...
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Old 09-20-2018, 09:27 AM   #150
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I would vote for a anyone with a beating heart before Dan Patrick, he is a complete jerk who hates public education...


If you think a democrat will do any better you are delusional.


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