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Old 09-18-2017, 09:04 PM   #1801
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what kind of white clovers would you recommend?

Ladino, Lousiana S-1, Regalgrase, Osceola, regal, Barblanca?
I don't have experience with all mentioned. I've had good experience with LA S-1, Osceola and ladino. For the last few years I have stuck with Durana which I like very much. This year I'm 'perking ' all my clover fields with Durana and Cherokee Red clover. I also like the red clover a lot. It doesn't last as long as Durana but performs very well for a year or two, is beautiful and heavily grazed.

From the choices you offer I'd go with ladino.
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Old 09-21-2017, 08:38 PM   #1802
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Rusty, If you could plant the perfect food plot fields, what would they include? If there is a perfect mix for our area of the country. My farm is about the latitude of Monroe,La, is that about the same as your farm? Thanks for any help.
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Old 09-22-2017, 10:19 AM   #1803
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I don't have experience with all mentioned. I've had good experience with LA S-1, Osceola and ladino. For the last few years I have stuck with Durana which I like very much. This year I'm 'perking ' all my clover fields with Durana and Cherokee Red clover. I also like the red clover a lot. It doesn't last as long as Durana but performs very well for a year or two, is beautiful and heavily grazed.

From the choices you offer I'd go with ladino.
Tecomate King Ladino in 1 plot and Monster Mix in the other is my conclusion. With oats/wheat, and Austrian peas mixed in
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:18 PM   #1804
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Seed has arrived!!! Elbon rye, wheat, Durana, Red clover, arrow leaf, berseem, radishes, turnips, chicory...and a couple bags of oyster sells for the chickens.

I continue to believe that fall planting do more for the soil and deer than summer plantings though I plant summer as well.

Now waiting on rain.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:25 PM   #1805
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Rusty, what rates/acre will you be planting your mixtures this year? Got your target buck picked out yet?
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:33 PM   #1806
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Rusty, what rates/acre will you be planting your mixtures this year? Got your target buck picked out yet?
Couple of different approaches depending on what I'm trying to accomplish. In the big fields I double crop with soybeans or cowpea mixtures I'm going with straight elbon rye at 120 lbs/acre. Heavy duty for organic matter and heavy thatch to see if I will have to spray weeds when I rotate next spring.

I'm perking up existing clover fields by refreshing clover. 50 lbs/wheat/acre, 4 lbs Durana/acre, 6 lbs red clover /acre, 2 lbs radishes/acre 2 lbs chicory/acre and 1 lb turnips.

A few straight hunting spots I'm just going with 50 lbs wheat.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:48 PM   #1807
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Sounds great Rusty.. I just finished turning my chicken litter under this morning. Im running late on it because of harvey. Ready to plant now if i see a rain coming.
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Old 09-22-2017, 02:50 PM   #1808
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Sounds great Rusty.. I just finished turning my chicken litter under this morning. Im running late on it because of harvey. Ready to plant now if i see a rain coming.
I'm jealous of the chicken litter ...{ Interesting how values change with age } I couldn't make it happen this year for a variety of reasons though I'm a believer!

Good luck.
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Old 09-23-2017, 11:38 AM   #1809
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Second year using chicken manure.
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:24 PM   #1810
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Thought some of you might find this interesting. This buck has an antler growing out of his eye! I've been watching him all summer wondering if/when he might die. My best guess is that he damaged his pedicle last year...probably fighting..and a part of antler has grown down and out through his eye. He also had a 5-6" drop tine growing from his left base which he has broken off.

Open to any other theories???
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:30 PM   #1811
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god almighty deer are tough critters. That makes me uncomfortable just looking at it....
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:30 PM   #1812
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Old 10-01-2017, 09:50 PM   #1813
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I'd find the nearest interstate and jump in front of an 18 wheeler if I was that deer! Hurts looking at it!
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Old 10-02-2017, 07:14 AM   #1814
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Oh lord....if he makes it through season he may have a time when that side tries to shed....ouch
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Old 10-02-2017, 10:00 AM   #1815
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That would make an interesting skull mount!!
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Old 10-03-2017, 12:00 PM   #1816
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Even though it hasn't rained here since the hurricane I decided to gamble and begin planting. It has to rain sooner or later ...right?

Here I'm drilling elbon rye directly into soy beans that have naturally defoliated. While the drill knocked some beans to the ground most are left standing on the stalk. The best of both worlds...spouted soybeans lasting till first frost with abundant beans available for forage all winter. That with 120 lbs/rye growing underneath. One more value of no till
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Old 10-04-2017, 04:28 AM   #1817
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You think you could no till farm down in South Texas?
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:12 AM   #1818
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You think you could no till farm down in South Texas?
I think it is the best way to farm south Tx. Doesn't rain much down there, so preserving moisture is the name of the game.

That said I tried plotting along the Rio Grande below Eagle Pass and finally gave up excepting where I could irrigate.

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Old 10-04-2017, 10:48 AM   #1819
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When I grow up, I want to be just like Rusty!
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Old 10-04-2017, 01:09 PM   #1820
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I think it is the best way to farm south Tx. Doesn't rain much down there, so preserving moisture is the name of the game.

That said I tried plotting along the Rio Grande below Eagle Pass and finally gave up excepting where I could irrigate.
Is that roller crimper enough to terminate growth or cover crops before planting, or do you still recommend herbiciding as well?
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Old 10-04-2017, 01:24 PM   #1821
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Is that roller crimper enough to terminate growth or cover crops before planting, or do you still recommend herbiciding as well?
I just got the crimper and have only used it on summer crops...sunn hemp, sorghum peas etc. Worked pretty good though I did follow up with gly. mostly for summer weeds and grasses in with the cultivars. My hope and belief is that I can hit rye with crimper at the appropriate time next spring and not have to terminate it with herbicide. The open question then is if I will have spring weeds in the rye that require spraying. To try and avoid that is why I planted the rye heavy at 120 lbs/acre.

I'm also going to make a jig this winter to run the crimper from my front end loader. That will allow me to have drill on back thus running crimper and drill at same time. I'll go a little heavy with the summer planting and ..maybe! hopefully!...I can get away from spraying altogether with summer crops quickly shading out weeds. TBD
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Old 10-04-2017, 01:58 PM   #1822
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Hope you get a great fall crop and timely rain Rusty!
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Old 10-04-2017, 07:50 PM   #1823
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Hope you get a great fall crop and timely rain Rusty!
Thanks buddy. Fun to keep up with your adventures as well. Passion is a wonderful thing. Blessings to you.
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:05 PM   #1824
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Rusty,

have you found any bucks on your Louisiana property that are targets for this year?
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:11 PM   #1825
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Rusty,

have you found any bucks on your Louisiana property that are targets for this year?
Nothing on the top end. Will remove some very mature bucks but neither my neighbor nor I will take any of the best. For whatever reason top end quality is down somewhat this year. I tend to think it is from the stress of a couple of years of extreme flooding. This summer was terrific for growing conditions, we have a good age structure and all herd elements are good but the quality is not what it has been in the past.

I'm spoiled. While we have several 180 and 190 class bucks we haven't found anything over 200 so we will be patient and stay with the program. It just goes to show how challenging it is to consistently grow 200"+ native stock bucks.
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:39 PM   #1826
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Promising 4 yr old
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:40 PM   #1827
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Very nice!!!
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:43 PM   #1828
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Another look
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:45 PM   #1829
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An old goat. has been seen one time in 3 yrs after the season.
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Old 10-08-2017, 09:46 PM   #1830
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A Vampire.
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:24 AM   #1831
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I remember that four year old.. there was another buck that looked a lot like him. Its great that you know your deer so well. i would have called that deer considerably older.. Like most folks on the GS... i suck at aging other folks deer from pics. Hes a monster now.. No telling what kind of jump he will make..
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Old 10-09-2017, 09:32 AM   #1832
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I remember that four year old.. there was another buck that looked a lot like him. Its great that you know your deer so well. i would have called that deer considerably older.. Like most folks on the GS... i suck at aging other folks deer from pics. Hes a monster now.. No telling what kind of jump he will make..
Yes he has bulled up looking mighty buff. But we have put all the pieces together and now feel confident he's 4.The one with the kickers had us fooled also. Summer pics made him look young. Then my nephew who knows deer really well saw the pics and knew he saw him after the season 2 yrs ago and was at least 4 then. Its challenging when you rarely see them on the hoof and have to go primarily by pics. Body size on these bucks can be very deceptive as 4 yr olds get really big.
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Old 10-09-2017, 10:03 AM   #1833
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Wow, awesome thread... This made for a great read this morning! Congrats on all the success and thanks for sharing in such detail.
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Old 10-10-2017, 05:58 AM   #1834
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Keep at it Rusty and keep posting when you can.
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Old 10-10-2017, 08:12 AM   #1835
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Promising 4 yr old
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:32 AM   #1836
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118 acres planted. Now we just need a little rain.
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:37 AM   #1837
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WOW!! you are living the dream

We need rain also
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Old 10-11-2017, 09:54 AM   #1838
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118 acres planted. Now we just need a little rain.
We got a big rain over in Jonesville on Monday. Water standing in the fields west of town but missed it on our plots in Harrisonburg. To be as wet as July and August was it sure dried up to a powder puff!! Good luck Rusty!
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:13 AM   #1839
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We got a big rain over in Jonesville on Monday. Water standing in the fields west of town but missed it on our plots in Harrisonburg. To be as wet as July and August was it sure dried up to a powder puff!! Good luck Rusty!
You know any of the farmers in the Delta?
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:14 AM   #1840
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This one might get a pass for one more year though looking pretty good. Either 5 or 6.
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Old 10-11-2017, 10:52 AM   #1841
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You know any of the farmers in the Delta?
Yes sir. I know a good many. I grew up just past the La Delta Headquarters toward Larto.
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Old 10-11-2017, 02:52 PM   #1842
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Yes sir. I know a good many. I grew up just past the La Delta Headquarters toward Larto.
I'm sure we know some of the same crowd. I'm in Pineville and have been around the Delta for many years.
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Old 10-12-2017, 07:20 PM   #1843
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I'm sure we know some of the same crowd. I'm in Pineville and have been around the Delta for many years.
I'm sure we do. Laid a lot of boot prints on that place as a kid. Worked at the La Delta airport in the summers while in college. My Dad was the superintendent for the Levee Board so we were on the diversion canal levee an awful lot!

Great thing you have going there with some stud bucks. Good luck and I hope you get a rain soon!
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