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Old 08-22-2014, 12:59 PM   #201
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Thanks! I had a blast. Here's a quick write up.

I had missed all of the work weekends on at our lease during the offseason because the dates folks agreed on where Scout campouts, events, memorial day weekend family plans, etc. So I sort of got to pick this weekend so that I could make it out there. With it being the last weekend of summer, I had decided that I was going to take my 9yr old with me and go out a day earlier to do some fly fishing on the Guad and then head over to the lease and get some work done. Well, that plan fell through a little when we found out that he had a Tae Kwon Do test that Saturday and faced with a choice, he decided he wanted to test; which meant I'd be flying solo.

I decided that I'd stick with the plan an camp out at Guadalupe River State Park and fish the evening and morning and at least check it out so for the next time, I'd be able to take him and not have to also be trying to figure out where to fish, etc. After picking up a fly combo I purchased here on TBH that Rob was holding on for me, I drove up to the park. The water in the park was shutoff during the week due to low river flow, so I had no idea of what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised with several deep pools and some light riffles in some places. The flow was definately lacking, and it was odd watching the flies float upstream because of the wind.

Being my first time fly fishing a river, I started out with a clouser minnow. I fished it around the boulders, etc and didn't have much luck. Then again, it was 2pm in the afternoon and I was trying to cover as much water trying to find some good spots. There were not that many people down at the river so I was fortunate that I really didn't have to work around too many swimmers, etc. After about an hour, I swapped out to a mini hopper and started getting takes by small gills along the banks under the shade of the trees. It took some work but I finally landed one.... and then two, and then three. The breem in the river aren't all that big and even thought I was fishing with a size 12 hook, they just were not taking it whole.

Now throughout this process, I started losing flies. I probably lost about 6 or so flies over the two days by getting them caught up in trees on the other side of the bank. The deeper pools prevented me from recovering them. Luckily, I can just tie some more, but it did start to get old after a while.

I worked my way down stream working the far side (shaded) side of the river. I cought my first bass doing this and had a couple good little fighters. I eventually made it down to a ideal spot where two deeper pools were pinched off by a very large boulder and some downed trees. Perfect structure! I fished the downstream side in the slack water and while I had a few pops, I got nothing. Disappointed I worked further down stream a bit but decided to come back to that spot and tie on a clouser to see if that would help. Sure enough, the spotted bass started hitting it hard and I cought about half a dozen of them in the span of 15 minutes in the funnel right by the branches.

As the sun started setting, I worked my way back upstream to where I had started and then after 6 hours of being on the water, I called it quits so I could go setup camp.

The next morning I was SORE!!! I mean my back started cramping sore! I pushed through and went fishing at 8am so I could loosen up I decided to explore more down stream so I hit a few riffles and cought my first bass on the mini hopper. A few more gills later I walked back up to the boulder/tree and tried out a clouser with nothing biting that morning. Figuring they were in the shallows for the morning feed, I walked back down stream and started throwing the mini hopper again. That is when I found the Guadalupe/Spotted Bass hideout. I was 15 yards upstream of a spot that was getting a few hesitant takes when I shot the line farther than I had expected and the water exploded! Stripped in a good deeper colored spotted bass (that I assume is a Guadalupe bass) and decided to try that spot again, Bam.. cast after cast the water exploded when the fly hit or on the first strip. After about 15 minutes, they figured it out and stopped hitting the hopper. I worked my way over to the other side and another promising spot and hit a few more bass, including one that had fresh crayfish limbs in it's mouth.

I was already packed up and I called it quits at 11 am. I had put nearly 9 hours on the river in my short 21 hour stay at the park, and I definately learned alot. Did some drifting, mending, etc. Caught several new species including a Rio Grande Perch and spotted bass and what I *think* were Guadalupe Bass (vs regular spotted bass.)

Besides the fishing, the river was amazing. I saw deer grazing in the morning. The squirrels barking at me as I worked the flies down stream. The birds chasing each other around. That morning the only sign of human presence the first hour was the pair of Air Force jets that did an occasional fly by in wingman formation.

The rest of the weekend was spent tending to ground blinds, feeder repair (timers, solar panel, etc.) Filling feeders, erecting tripods, etc. Sunday morning I was beat. I was going to do the Bullis shoot, but without my son, I wasn't as motivated and was tired and needed to get back home to the family.
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:17 PM   #204
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So now I'm trying to tie some crayfish patterns. I've tied a couple and like how they look, but not so much how they "swim." Wondering if anybody who follows this thread has tied a few and what has worked. I like to keep 'em simple. I'll post my first stabs
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Old 08-27-2014, 01:36 PM   #205
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Good write up, I am going to do some river fishing this weekend.
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No, going to Uvalde to hunt birds. Going to camp on the river.
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Old 08-27-2014, 05:57 PM   #208
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Good luck. Fish Tacos and Dove poppers in the same weekend is a recipe for fun!
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So now I'm trying to tie some crayfish patterns. I've tied a couple and like how they look, but not so much how they "swim." Wondering if anybody who follows this thread has tied a few and what has worked. I like to keep 'em simple. I'll post my first stabs
The only one that I really like is very hard to tie and takes a while too. I mainly like it because it has a shell and would feel like a crawfish in a fish's mouth.
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Old 08-27-2014, 09:09 PM   #210
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I also like this one that is made from Ultra Suede but it doesn't have a shell. The look is perfect though and it is very easy to tie.
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That first one looks cool. Here are the first two I made with what i had on hand based on some pics and vids i saw.

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Old 08-29-2014, 10:49 AM   #212
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I like these two i tied during the 2nd half last night. They seem to swim well too.

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Okay guys, recommend me a good beginners set-up, please.

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Old 08-29-2014, 04:54 PM   #214
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When asked that question (which i have been recently) the hardest part is suggesting the weight. I personally like that I started with a 5 weight. However I totally see merit in the 6 weight being recommended after handling one. If you are going to fish small ponds and streams like me... 5 is good. Large lakes, 6 or even 7 might be better, especially if usually windy.

As for packages. I have experience with the following

http://www.basspro.com/Hobbs-Creek-F...duct/10209429/

As a beginner, I have nothing bad to say. I like the 4 piece and the reel feels well suited. This is what I use throughout this adventure.

Cabelas Cahill is what we got for my son. It is 60 bucks but the reel is junk. Fortunately it isn't an issue yet since you don't use it much.

Cabelas Prestige is a rod I recently got used off her as a backup for the Cahill package. Better package for sure. It is 5 years old, but I would be happy with it as my primary if it were 4 piece.

I am going to buck a trend and say this. Good rods cost at least 200 bucks if not more. However, you usually don't need an expensive reel. On packages in the 150 range, you are investing in a reel and case that will be usable on expensive rods. When I spent 150, I felt that I was at least buying a good reel. Once you get below 100 bucks, you are getting a package, that if you upgrade, you are starting over. At least that is my opinion.
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Thank you SwampRabbit!
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Let me know when you buy/order one and I will tie up some flies that have worked for me and send them to you to get you started.
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Awesome! Thanks for the gesture, I will let you know soon!
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I went with a 8 wt, I want to focus on a little bigger fish and even saltwater eventually

I got a TFO complete setup for about 200. Bass pro. The one I really liked was 600, but just couldn't pull the trigger on that one
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I got a TFO complete setup for about 200. Bass pro. The one I really liked was 600, but just couldn't pull the trigger on that one
If your gonna flats fish learn how to double haul cast
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Still learning how to cast past 10 feet, but I hear what you're saying

Added Guadalupe bass yesterday, the biggest was about 10 inches
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Still learning how to cast past 10 feet, but I hear what you're saying

Added Guadalupe bass yesterday, the biggest was about 10 inches
Sweet deal on the guad!
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When fly casting most people start out making an arc with the rod tip the movement with the rod hand is like sawing a board and the rod tip should draw a straight line in the sky. Pausing at each end of the line till the string loads the rod. Until this is learned double hauling will not be possible. Also with a proper cast the loop of the line will be tight. A good fly cast can empty the fly line or of the reel to the backing.in reality casting a fly rod is the same mechanics as shooting a long bow. The rod actually shoots the line.
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When I first moved to Texas in the early 80's I didn't think there were any Fly Fisherman here. Folks would see me and come and ask what I was doing and then tell them "there ain't no trout in this lake"

Been at it a while...




And ya have to have a frog if your going to fish for bass.
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When fly casting most people start out making an arc with the rod tip the movement with the rod hand is like sawing a board and the rod tip should draw a straight line in the sky. Pausing at each end of the line till the string loads the rod. Until this is learned double hauling will not be possible. Also with a proper cast the loop of the line will be tight. A good fly cast can empty the fly line or of the reel to the backing.in reality casting a fly rod is the same mechanics as shooting a long bow. The rod actually shoots the line.
These two videos are what I used to "teach" myself casting and the basics. While I am by no means perfect (some experienced eyes have told me where to work on since then...) these really did help me get started in understanding what it should look like. Best tip... watch your backcast. Your backcast tells you alot and is arguably the most important aspect of the cast because it is the setup for how the line will behave on the forward cast. And there isn't anything wrong with watching it!

This guy and what he said really helped me. I practiced in my backyard (make sure it is on GRASS!!! not concrete/dirt, etc!!!)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxVvVoqFbIU

Orvis has alot of great videos on alot of basics. The casting series is good, as is the Bass series, etc. It helps to watch the first one though, because these videos are short and don't go into a whole lot of detail. This in my opinion is a well put together video series and I've shown them to my son and he likes watching them.
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When I first moved to Texas in the early 80's I didn't think there were any Fly Fisherman here. Folks would see me and come and ask what I was doing and then tell them "there ain't no trout in this lake"
I remember reading recently about how trout fishing started in Texas and how all these fishermen showed up not knowing how to fish for them. Bringing large bass baits, etc.. I could visualize that scene and it makes me chuckle.

I find that more people are fascinated by it when I'm out there fishing, or people find out that I fly fish. I get asked more questions and they are intrigued by the fact that I tie the flies I am fishing. For what ever reason, people tend to rank fly fishing differently than other types of fishing in thier mind. Like it is more noble or something. Sort of reminds me of when people find out I bow hunt. The image in thier mind must be different.

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Thought maybe I'd explain that photo of the flybox a little (in case anybody is following who is curious.) These consisist of my "go to" flies that I've been using this summer.

Hoppers - these are tied to #8 hooks. I cast them out and depending on how they land, might have to give them a tug to flip over. I usually strip/strip/pause on these. The puases are usually a few seconds. I've caught several bass on these.

Clouser Minnows - These are tied to #10 scud hooks. These are streamers and are fished below the surface. I vary the retrieve, but strip/strip pause tends to work with some really good hits on the pause. They actually swim upside down with the hook up. I've caught some panfish on these, but I have killed the bass with them. My biggest bass I caught I casted to a lilly pad and as this fell off of it, the bass just came in and swipped it on the initial fall. I think having the shorter, curved hook has really helped with the hook set, even though it makes it harder to tie. I don't fish these with a strike indicator because the fly is either swiming or dropping.

San Juan Worm - easiest fly to tie. Fished uder a strike indicator near a dock, etc like a worm and bobber. Has caught my son a couple of sunfish and I've got numerous takes... I haven't fished it alot as I've been playing around with another fly (crayfish)

Mini Hoppers - This is the Chunky special. I had seen these and didn't bother with them until Mark mentioned that the panfish were hitting the hopper but not near the hook. these are smaller and the hook is at the butt where panfish like to hit. I've caught more panfish with these than I can count. I fish them like the hopper. I have not mastered tying these to where they land on thier belly instead of their back most of the time. I have caught fish with it upside down, but if it lands belly up, I give it a tug to get it to dive and resurface wing side up and then strip/strip pause from there. Tied to a #12 hook.

Wolly Bugger - Not sure how this is spelled, seen it spelled alot of ways . Basically it is a fly that is a must have. I caught my first fish on a wolly bugger... but I don't actually fish it much as I like playing with the other patterns. These sink and are fished below the water with or without an idicator... usually without.

Caddis Fly - An adaption of the Elk Hair Caddis, this fly is simple. Rabbit fur body with Deer hair wing on a #14 hook. No hackle like the traditional fly calls for. When the gills are feeding on the surface these have been KILLER. No frills, but when it works, it really WORKS. These float, but do tend to sink slowly if they stay on the water too long. A good false cast will dry it out. I tend to cast it and let it sit for a while and will just recast it to another spot without stripping it back in. Sometimes a little twitch will induce a strike.

Blue Gill Spider - Tied to a #10 or #12 hook, these flies are simple. Usually fish it under a strike indicator. My son caught his first fish with one that he tied himself. He casted in it, it sank, it hook set and he pulled in a fish.

Those other things, I can't remember the name. They are deer hair and rubber legs witha bullet head. They float for a little bit and eventually sink to just below the surface. I tend to strip/strip/pause these as well fishing near the surface but not on top. I've caught basse and panfish on these when the fish want something slow, but not at the surface.

I have caught fish on other flies (small trout nymphs, etc...) but these are the lineup I tend to start out with looking for fish. I've also tied a gurgler, but they are about the same as the mini hopper as far as success.
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Another good link on selecting a fly line size

http://www.orvis.com/s/choosing-a-fl...y-fishing/2107

The #5 has suited me well for community lakes and ponds as well as wadeable streams/rivers like the guadalupe. I'd be buying a #7 or #8 for big lake fishing/salt water where the wind is a factor and/or the flies are much larger.
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How big of a hook on that crayfish/frog?
Man it's been so long since I tied those...the Frog is on a 1/0 Stinger...took me near 6-8 hrs to tie the first 6 or so...then I got them down to about 2 hrs.
Legs are on 3X long streamer hooks...Use to run the circuit fly tying and trying to make a living at it..quit my real job all that....I hated tying them just did it for show. Guys would come and ask me how much for one? First time $25, he bought four! next time I told the guy I really didn't make them for sale...he kept bugging me I threw out $125 each just to scare him away....He ordered 10!

I quit showing them after that...I make a more effect frog that is way easier to tie.

The Crawdad is on a 1/0 Salmon fly hook that I bend with pliers.

Nobody did this really when I got here...first thing I did was try and duplicate Bass lures that were effective that bait casters were using...had to dye my own hair and feathers...nobody made pink or neon colors then.

Tied commercially for Dan Bailey(trout) for about 3 years and locally in the town I grew up in for a few years(trout again) then in Dallas for about 5-6 years bass and salt water patterns only.

Trying to remember the guys name that stole two of my patterns...Shinaboo Shad and a Bend Back Snake...you can still buy those today...showed them to him and he patten them. He was a local Dallas boy..made a couple videos and moved to Florida...right on the tip of my tongue...Met Billy Munn and Dave Whitlock and sat down with them a few times...learned a bunch about deer hair spinning.

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Man it's been so long since I tied those...the Frog is on a 1/0 Stinger...took me near 6-8 hrs to tie the first 6 or so...then I got them down to about 2 hrs.
Legs are on 3X long streamer hooks...Use to run the circuit fly tying and trying to make a living at it..quit my real job all that....I hated tying them just did it for show. Guys would come and ask me how much for one? First time $25, he bought four! next time I told the guy I really didn't make them for sale...he kept bugging me I threw out $125 each just to scare him away....He ordered 10!

I quit showing them after that...I make a more effect frog that is way easier to tie.

The Crawdad is on a 1/0 Salmon fly hook that I bend with pliers.

Nobody did this really when I got here...first thing I did was try and duplicate Bass lures that were effective that bait casters were using...had to dye my own hair and feathers...nobody made pink or neon colors then.

Tied commercially for Dan Bailey(trout) for about 3 years and locally in the town I grew up in for a few years(trout again) then in Dallas for about 5-6 years bass and salt water patterns only.

Trying to remember the guys name that stole two of my patterns...Shinaboo Shad and a Bend Back Snake...you can still buy those today...showed them to him and he patten them. He was a local Dallas boy..made a couple videos and moved to Florida...right on the tip of my tongue...Met Billy Munn and Dave Whitlock and sat down with them a few times...learned a bunch about deer hair spinning.

Got a bunch more if ya wanna see them.
Wow, that is some history right there. Haven't been at it long enough, but I recognize some of those names...

Go ahead and post up some more!
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Hey Mark, how was the fishing/shooting? We need to try and make at least one more meetup in the woodlands some evening before Fall really starts in a frenzy.
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Shooting has been good. I didn't do and fishing this trip. I should be around most of this week if you want to meet up.
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Old 09-08-2014, 02:20 PM   #234
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Let me check the calendar. I forget which day isn't good... is it Wednesday?

In other news... just got a call from my wife saying that the package of hooks/materials that I ordered last week for tying some flies was cut open and the contents stolen. Yep, UPS went ahead and just delivered an empty cut open envelope. Had ordered some stuff to tie a few crawfish flies and was hoping to maybe try them out this upcoming weekend... looks like that won't happen.
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Old 09-08-2014, 03:23 PM   #235
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Sorry to hear about your troubles Scott. By the way, I got the flies. Thanks again.
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Old 09-08-2014, 04:19 PM   #236
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Wednesday will work for me if its good for you. Sucks about the delivery
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Old 09-09-2014, 08:24 PM   #237
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Tomorrow night works. 6pm? You wanna pick a place... maybe something that holds bass
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Old 09-10-2014, 02:22 AM   #238
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You are way more familiar with the area, I prefer it if you pick, you have done good so far, and besides....it's more about hanging out and practice anyway.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:46 AM   #239
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Okay... I've always wanted to try this spot
http://www.fishinginthewoodlands.com/wedgewood-pond
Parking is on the side of the road.
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Old 09-10-2014, 08:27 PM   #240
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Well the fish refused to cooperate. If it wasn't for the incredible company, i would say it was a total bust. Just before packing it in... I did hook up with what could be a new species on the fly.... whatcha think? I am thinking rock bass.

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Old 09-11-2014, 08:14 AM   #241
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Nice! I was going out on Tuesday but opted to do more practicing with my casting before putting a fly on there. I will definitely be out there this afternoon hoping to get my first!
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:09 AM   #242
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Well the fish refused to cooperate. If it wasn't for the incredible company, i would say it was a total bust. Just before packing it in... I did hook up with what could be a new species on the fly.... whatcha think? I am thinking rock bass.

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Not sure, because I am looking at the pic in my phone, but that looks like a black crappie to me?

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Old 09-11-2014, 10:24 AM   #243
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[QUOTE=SwampRabbit;9042494]Well the fish refused to cooperate. If it wasn't for the incredible company, i would say it was a total bust. Just before packing it in... I did hook up with what could be a new species on the fly.... whatcha think? I am thinking rock bass.

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Warmouth for sure
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Old 09-11-2014, 10:32 AM   #244
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Won't let me upload my pictures :/
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Hmmm, looks like the rock bass in this blog

http://extremephillyfishing.blogspot...guide-for.html

(scroll down to the rock bass.)

It was the red eyes and the larger mouth that was what triggered my thought it was a rock bass.
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Old 09-11-2014, 12:46 PM   #246
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Warmouth for sure
Yeah, I think you are correct. I just did a search and the two are often mistaken for each other. It's harder to see the facial stripes (I sort of see them) but a site said that a warmouth has 3 spikes on the **** fin, whereas rock bass have 5-6. You can definately see from my pic and other pics of rock bass, that mine had only 3 spikes and is most likely a warmouth.

Thanks for helping ID it for me... Still a new species!!!
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What an awesome time I had yesterday afternoon and evening. About 30 minutes in and I land my first fly fishing catch! I used the blue gill spider SwampRabbit tied me up and it nabbed me two fish. The first was a blue gill and the second I believe was a green sunfish. Nothing but but good times! Thanks SwampRabbit for the flies!
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:26 AM   #248
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Congrats the fishes, well done.
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Old 09-12-2014, 11:31 AM   #249
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Congrats!

Glad there was a fly in there that worked

Look forward to more posts/stories in the future.

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Old 09-12-2014, 07:52 PM   #250
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Man spent 20 min, posting and they didn't upload...guest too many pics for the post....let me break it up.

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