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Old 11-07-2019, 06:53 PM   #101
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"We get it..you enjoy it. It is beautiful country once you get past the mass murder, blood of innocents in crossfires, human trafficing, and massive corruption at every level.. but dont be so melancholoy as to think its not dangerous as ****."

Dang I thought you were talking about the U.S. for a second.
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Old 11-07-2019, 07:26 PM   #102
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"We get it..you enjoy it. It is beautiful country once you get past the mass murder, blood of innocents in crossfires, human trafficing, and massive corruption at every level.. but dont be so melancholoy as to think its not dangerous as ****."



Dang I thought you were talking about the U.S. for a second.


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Old 11-07-2019, 07:29 PM   #103
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I had my own run in with the military that definitely left me questioning if it was smart to keep going fishing there. A few months back an American couple fishing in the place i feel safe was assaulted and held hostage at gun point while drug runners used the dock in front of the house they rented to offload a shipment. There have been other incidents and our guide has even given us warnings and let us know it may not be so safe.

I love Mexico. The fishing, the people, the food. There’s just a feeling down there I can’t replicate elsewhere.

What I described above definitely won’t keep me from going back. Look at how many Americans are there daily without incident. However, to act like there isn’t an additional risk involved when you cross that border is naive.


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Old 11-07-2019, 07:32 PM   #104
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So now your name calling? A sheep I assure I am not...
Your clueless youngin..
It seems you think you are a invencible bad *** and that's ok too. I pray you never have to prove it while south of the border..
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So now your name calling? A sheep I assure I am not...

Your clueless youngin..

It seems you think you are a invencible bad *** and that's ok too. I pray you never have to prove it while south of the border..


Wasn’t directed at you, but I’m surely no bad***. But i will defend my choice, and bring points that show the WORLD we live in is a sick place if you want to protect yourself 100% from bad then so be it, my ONE point to all of this is people that choose to go there do it because they love the memories it serves. I’ve met many great Mexicans many that i call friend, and memories that i will get to tell my kids about. I could say your stupid for limiting yourself from experiences that will last a lifetime. But i don’t because one that doesn’t make you stupid, and two that’s the path you choose to look back on May you grow old.


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Old 11-07-2019, 09:07 PM   #106
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All I have got out of this so far skimming across after a couple beers is a white dude who is notorious for starting tbh rant threads visitied Mexico and had a good experience.
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All I have got out of this so far skimming across after a couple beers is a white dude who is notorious for starting tbh rant threads visitied Mexico and had a good experience.

That’s what I’ve been tryin to say


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Old 11-07-2019, 09:58 PM   #108
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The entire country is jacked up. They worship the cartel. The cartel does more for the people than their own government. They write songs about these thugs. "Beto Quintinilla" like folk story legends. I swear I had a entire crew of them working land rigs in South Texas. Mexican citizens with duel citizenship. They speak of cartel leaders and their actions like we talk about JJ Watt.
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Old 11-08-2019, 06:26 AM   #109
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"Stop calling me stupid you stupid sheep"

Strawman not only failed but was weak AF.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:08 AM   #110
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Rinse wash repeat.. over and over and over. Why defend any of your decisions to someone on the internet? I am amazed the Mexico guys spend so much time defending it yet mums the word on anywhere they hunt state side. I would be curious to know much the price per acre has dropped in the last 10 years. I wish it was closer because o would love to give it a go.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:26 AM   #111
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Why? Because I hold up a mirror when folks want to slam foreign govt for having the same lax attitude that our govt has?



Fact remains is that hundreds of ppl have been killed in ambush style mass murders over the last two years and what has the USA govt done about it?



Same thing that Mexico has done...
You are mistaking lone mentally ill gunmen with enforcers of an organized crime syndicate. Vastly different.

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Old 11-08-2019, 10:05 AM   #112
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I have had no issues, and enjoy South of the Border. Will continue to do so.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:22 AM   #113
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All I have got out of this so far skimming across after a couple beers is a white dude who is notorious for starting tbh rant threads visitied Mexico and had a good experience.
I had a few good experiences in Acuna when I was 16 years old but that was a long long time before the cartels. I'm talking early 1960's. I crossed over with my whole $35 paycheck and still made it back to Crane, Tx where we lived with money left over to last me until the next Friday. Coffee/tea was .05 cents and hamburger with fries was .35 cents. Chicken fried steak ala carte $1.10.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:35 AM   #114
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Rinse wash repeat.. over and over and over. Why defend any of your decisions to someone on the internet? I am amazed the Mexico guys spend so much time defending it yet mums the word on anywhere they hunt state side. I would be curious to know much the price per acre has dropped in the last 10 years. I wish it was closer because o would love to give it a go.
Land for sale and lease is increasing unfortunately. Especially along the river, or say within 20 miles of it. It dipped down pretty good around '08 when Pena got kidnapped with a hunter. The hunter was let go almost immediately....

Since about '12 or so it's been increasing.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:45 AM   #115
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I'm 16 years in straight, made it through the "war" as the locals called it in '08 through around '10 or so. Probably the only reason I stayed during that time is we literally had a military checkpoint at our back gate or I would have skipped a year or 2....

But you're correct it's like beating a dead horse, they think we're crazy, we think we're in paradise... and I'm only sad when I cross the bridge to go home... not the other way around. But they sure as hell ain't changing my mind, and we're not asking them to cross, who the hell wants more competition?

I sure like hunting thousands of acres with a couple of buddies, deer get old and nasty.... nothing like it. If it cost me a beer a 2 to my " vecino's " so be it. I've never once feared for my life, not even close.....

I don't do anything stupid and mind my business. I've made sure the locals know who I am.... ALL the locals. To each their own..... VIVA!
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I don’t defend mexico i defend the notion that just cause one mans not scared makes him stupid.
I am going to Cuba at the end of November. Have been a few times before.

I am not scared of the country or who lives there, in fact that is one of the reasons I want to go. I am scared that I dont really have a viable, poop hit the fan plan. Phones dont really work, I cant ATM money, I dont speak great Spanish, so if I am in a, afraid for my life situation it is probably too late. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is one of the big issues in Mexico. What is your plan if something goes wrong?

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Old 11-08-2019, 11:51 AM   #118
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I am going to Cuba at the end of November. Have been a few times before.

I am not scared of the country or who lives there, in fact that is one of the reasons I want to go. I am scared that I dont really have a viable, poop hit the fan plan. Phones dont really work, I cant ATM money, I dont speak great Spanish, so if I am in a, afraid for my life situation it is probably too late. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is one of the big issues in Mexico. What is your plan if something goes wrong?


Ummm Walk back to the border it’s 20 miles i can see America...


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Old 11-08-2019, 12:17 PM   #119
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Goctha, so you arent really hunting in old mexico

I am really not trying to pile it on. But I think you can see the irony in your sense of security.
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I am going to Cuba at the end of November. Have been a few times before.

I am not scared of the country or who lives there, in fact that is one of the reasons I want to go. I am scared that I dont really have a viable, poop hit the fan plan. Phones dont really work, I cant ATM money, I dont speak great Spanish, so if I am in a, afraid for my life situation it is probably too late. Correct me if I am wrong, but that is one of the big issues in Mexico. What is your plan if something goes wrong?
Something goes wrong how? Medical? Bad guys?

1. Mexico has a 911 just like us.
2. My phone ( TMobile) has service over 90 percent of Mexico in my area.
3. I have a Military checkpoint less than 4 miles from me.
4. The border bridge is 25 min away ( truck ) or I could walk 4 miles and be at the river's edge.
5. I know my neighboring ranches, the owners and hunters most of which are gringos. ( Hunters )
6. My Debit Card/ Credit Card works just fine in Mexico, you might get Pesos instead of Dollars. There are several machines that will only give dollars. Also notify your bank you'll be in Mexico so if they see a transaction they won't shut your card down.
7. Learn some Spanish. At least a few nouns. If you're gonna play in Mexico it helps to communicate.
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I am really not trying to pile it on. But I think you can see the irony in your sense of security.


I’m confused what’s considered old mexico pretty sure i have to cross the “border” out of “America” with a “passport” please show me an illustration of where “old mexico” begins.....


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Something goes wrong how? Medical? Bad guys?



1. Mexico has a 911 just like us.

2. My phone ( TMobile) has service over 90 percent of Mexico in my area.

3. I have a Military checkpoint less than 4 miles from me.

4. The border bridge is 25 min away ( truck ) or I could walk 4 miles and be at the river's edge.

5. I know my neighboring ranches, the owners and hunters most of which are gringos. ( Hunters )

6. My Debit Card/ Credit Card works just fine in Mexico, you might get Pesos instead of Dollars. There are several machines that will only give dollars. Also notify your bank you'll be in Mexico so if they see a transaction they won't shut your card down.

7. Learn some Spanish. At least a few nouns. If you're gonna play in Mexico it helps to communicate.


Ohhhhh you’re not in “old Mexico” then


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Something goes wrong how? Medical? Bad guys?

1. Mexico has a 911 just like us.
3 Trucks full of heavy armed guys show up to your door.

Your first move is to dial 911?

Genuine question.
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3 Trucks full of heavy armed guys show up to your door.



Your first move is to dial 911?



Genuine question.
No I would walk out and say what's up? Can I help you gentlemen?

The 911 would be more for a Medical emergency, but depending on the Medical condition I would probably just haul *** to the bridge.

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3 Trucks full of heavy armed guys show up to your door.



Your first move is to dial 911?



Genuine question.


Had it happen before also have had them several times on trail cam, i just hold the gate open for them and waved as they drove through... 14th season


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Some interesting info dating back to this family in the 1920’s to now, the cartels, the many “hits” this family has done/caused, 13 wives and more:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron
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Some interesting info dating back to this family in the 1920’s to now, the cartels, the many “hits” this family has done/caused, 13 wives and more:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron


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Old 11-19-2019, 06:56 PM   #129
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Some hunters are just too committed,and have learned the ropes, and cant and wont give it up...maybe ever, I don’t see the point of ragging on them when you never lived it, if they ever start grabbing hunters (they know everyone, I assume its from the moment you cross,they like knowing) everyone has time to reconsider, safe travels to all on both sides of the river. I will go cause I love Coupons!
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Some hunters are just too committed,and have learned the ropes, and cant and wont give it up...maybe ever, I don’t see the point of ragging on them when you never lived it, if they ever start grabbing hunters (they know everyone, I assume its from the moment you cross,they like knowing) everyone has time to reconsider, safe travels to all on both sides of the river. I will go cause I love Coupons!
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Old 11-19-2019, 07:21 PM   #132
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This is exactly the case after researching so far...they did not all die together in one ambush. They were in 3 separate vehicles & all targeted for termination miles apart from what I can tell at this point.

The LeBaron family told the cartels Years ago to go pound sand when they kidnapped one of the sons & would not pay ransom as they were worried about it becoming an epidemic...now look where we are.

BLB is reporting the A.G. of Chihuahua that Los Jaguars sect of Sinaloa Cartel are responsible for the LeBaron Family Massacre but they don't go into a lot of details. I see some investigating & some interesting history coming down the pipeline with this story in days to come. IMO, This was a deliberate slaughter from everything I'm gathering directed at the LeBaron's & there is more behind them that I suspect will give us insight as to 'why'.

Sinaloa & La Linea are fighting over the area.
A couple days ago I watched an hour long report from vice on youtube. It was all about this family and the steps they have taken to protect their own.
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Mexico hunters are somewhat a cult I guess but its still apples and oranges, its one wife at a time and they are all of age
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What you sipp'n?.
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Exactly what I expected...this is so common within recent events of simply passing the buck to pacify the masses. I never doubted the early captures were actually the perps who were involved in any manner, much less tossed the lead on the separate incidents. I think the LeBaron family already eluded to this whole early bogus arrest diversions very early on & now the family of those arrested are screaming / being heard finally.

Not sure we'll ever know the nuts & bolts of the story but gotta feeling this story may re-surface in some fashion?? Telling you now, aspects of mexico are going to change dramatically if the whole directive of recognizing current narco traffickers into terrorist organizations in cooperation with the mex govt. On pins & needles.


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Suspects arrested in Le Baron massacre are not from La Linea insists family
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They are scapegoats say family, we have never been told why they are arrested, we learned that from the press.

"For the LeBaron a disgrace-For us an injustice"


The relatives of the detainees for allegedly having participated in the massacre of the LeBarón family say they are being judged without foundation.

Although both subjects have a criminal record, their relatives indicate that at no time have they been told that they had anything to do with the multi - homicide of six children and three women from a Mormon community.

This is the phrase with which the Hernández, family of the arrested men, defended those allegedly involved with this crime .

Relatives say the suspects are ranchers and have taken care of their dying father for a year.

In addition, they indicated that they were not informed of the charges and it was through the press that they learned it was I connection of LeBaron massacre.

Sister Becky Hernandez says what happened to the Le Baron’s was a disgrace, and we all want justice, but not just for the LeBarons, justice for all.

“They had nothing to do with the case, the government just needed a scape- goat to close the case.”
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They are back in the news:

The conflict at LeBaron Ranch

Chivis Martinez Borderland Beat Reforma ElBarzon LAT



After fleeing Mexico due to threats, activist Julián LeBarón returned to the country after the conflict registered on Sunday between members of El Barzón and his family on a ranch in the Municipality of Buenaventura, Chihuahua.

"I came back as soon as I saw that my brothers were being threatened, I came on Sunday" LeBarón said.

"I am not going to let my brothers be killed," he said of his return.

LeBarón had left Mexico because US authorities informed him that he was in danger as there were threats against him by a criminal group.

On February 19 he left the community of LeBarón, in the Municipality of Galeana, with his family, and sheltered for a few days in another locality, until he was escorted on February 23 by federal elements to an international crossing to enter the United States. , where you also have citizenship.

Last Sunday night, Barzonistas and members of the LeBarón community clashed at Rancho La Mojina, owned by the latter, in Ejido Constitución, Municipality of Buenaventura, Chihuahua, where there were detonations of a firearm.

"We were shot inside our own ranch," said Julián LeBarón.


The activist indicated that the Government of Chihuahua does not provide a solution to the conflict.

"There is no rule of law here," he said.

According to reports, the quarrel was registered because the Barzonistas came to prevent the LeBarón from electrifying some wells, which, according to that organization, are illegal.

LeBarón indicated that his family has the necessary documentation to carry out the electrification.

"If we have permission or not, what does that have to do with people who come armed to shoot and destroy other people's property?"

"We dodged the bullets, these people are the ones who started the shooting," he said.

"The feds were inside the ranch with us. If not for them, I assure you there would have been a massacre because they asked us to please no one attack them."

This Tuesday, the activist went with other members of his family to the Government Palace with documents to prove the legality of the work.

He said that they were attended by Joel Gallegos, general director of the Government.

"In the state there is no rule of law, the Governor is on the side of those who murder, on the side of those who invade, on the side of those who destroy and no one finds a rule of law, protection, or justice," he said. LeBarón.

Meanwhile, dissatisfied Barzonistas blocked the highway between Janos and Casas Grandes on Tuesday, because federal authorities have not intervened in the conflict.

The road was later reopened.

In a statement, El Barzón Chihuahua indicated that two members of the Ejido Constitución were wounded by firearms by members of the LeBarón family on Sunday at 9:00 p.m.

"After producers in the LeBarón community carried out the installation of an electric power line," they said in the document.


"As is known to society, as well as to the competent state and federal authorities, more than three years ago, members of the Ejido undertook the complaint about the extraction of water carried out to date by the LeBarón family in the area, to which, despite the complaints filed with the authorities and the working groups set up on the matter, no investigation has been carried out and no sanctions have been filed, "said the Barzonistas.

Who are the LeBarons?

Many Mormons who supported polygamy separated from the church and fled to Mexico and Canada. In Mexico, polygamous Mormons bought 50,000 acres in the state of Chihuahua, where they settled along the Piedras Verdes River in a remote and mountainous region.

Mormons also formed communities in the state of Sonora. Over time, many became successful as farmers and ranchers.

Most members of the LeBaron clan no longer practice polygamy, and the family today includes Catholics and non-religious people.

The LeBaron family has spoken out for years against drug cartel violence in Mexico and in favor of less stringent gun laws, saying that its members need to protect themselves.

Who are the Barzonistas?

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“Although it is a rather symbolic date, on October 13, 1994, El Barzón was born. Defending the heritage of the families and rescuing the production units threatened by the bankers was the first task that thousands of peasants undertook, an action that was quickly reproduced also in the cities. "I must not deny, I pay fair" was the slogan.

Little by little, with the mobilization of the people, the pressure on the banks and with a lot of imagination, the debts were liquidated, the new task was to reactivate the productive activity that the usury of banks and the terrible policies of the government had left on the verge of disappearance. Learning new things, applying new technologies , participating in the economic and social development of the country are also lines of work that our organization has adopted.

"Yesterday we defended our heritage, today we fight for the economic reactivation of the Mexican countryside" was the new slogan of the Barzonistas.”
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Old 04-23-2020, 02:07 PM   #137
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So Artos, what does that all mean? Who's the bad guys here? Hard to tell...
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So Artos, what does that all mean? Who's the bad guys here? Hard to tell...

It means it wasn’t some random killing to begin with


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I'm waiting for the follow up as the Barzonistas explanation is sorta strange...my understanding is the LeBaron's have always had some controversy around them including water rights.

I'm not sure what electrifying wells means other than to pump them & maybe keeping other areas from being able to draw??
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Oh, I didn't think for a minute that it was random at all... Those cartel guys are pretty good at avoiding collateral damage. We saw how careful they were when we hunted on the US side of the river and sent their guys across between Del Rio and Eagle Pass... They were very good, and they were also very good at taking out the targets they needed to as well...
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I'm sure someone's already pointed it out but the title says Americans but they were actually Mexicans. LOL.
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Oh, I didn't think for a minute that it was random at all... Those cartel guys are pretty good at avoiding collateral damage. We saw how careful they were when we hunted on the US side of the river and sent their guys across between Del Rio and Eagle Pass... They were very good, and they were also very good at taking out the targets they needed to as well...

Some guys in here think they kill/torture/kidnap every gringo that crosses the border... they were adamant these weren’t collateral damage


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I'm sure someone's already pointed it out but the title says Americans but they were actually Mexicans. LOL.
No sir, you need to go back and read up on this. They were American citizens living in Mexico. Might have been crooks or something else, but they WERE American Citizens. Just because you don't live in the USA, you don't lose your citizenship.
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They have dual civi-ship...this latest deal may or may not be related to the cartels. I'll follow up if there is any clarity, but the fact the bro who bailed came back to wrestle says something was brewing.
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I'm waiting for the follow up as the Barzonistas explanation is sorta strange...my understanding is the LeBaron's have always had some controversy around them including water rights.

I'm not sure what electrifying wells means other than to pump them & maybe keeping other areas from being able to draw??
Google up the LeBaron family they are in some crazy
Blood atonement feud been in the news for decades
Saw a tv special on them last night
They were all involved with a blood atonement murder in Houston
A car theft ring in Arizona, lots and lots of murder stuff
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Google up the LeBaron family they are in some crazy

Blood atonement feud been in the news for decades

Saw a tv special on them last night

They were all involved with a blood atonement murder in Houston

A car theft ring in Arizona, lots and lots of murder stuff


What was the name of the show?


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Mitt Romney will fix everything for his family members.
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What was the name of the show?


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This family has some scary stuff going on, in Mexico and the USA

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation...talist-history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ervil_LeBaron

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-38526255
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The one I saw was on investigation discovery channel


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Living with evil - blood atonement

The new version is about the family having a blood feud with the local people living in the the area of their multiple ranches and controversial control of the water both ground water and aquifer water
https://theconversation.com/mormons-...d-faith-126493

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