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Old 03-19-2018, 09:03 PM   #1
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Which would you take this October, and why?

6.5x284 Norma, if it was an APR special with a great scope, that you reloaded for and felt particularly comfortable with.

270 - Plain Jane factory rifle, factory ammo, but nevertheless had harvested plenty of hogs and deer, sub MOA easily.

7mm WBY - An old rifle with old handloads that had proven success, although several years ago.

Or would you buy a new rifle for this purpose, 300WM Ruger American Magnum with factory ammo and a borrowed (great) scope.

Unfortunately I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident so this is purely a hypothetical question.
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:06 PM   #2
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You 7mm Weatherby will fit the bill!
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I like the 7mm for elk.. Definitely test the ammo or produce some more. Sure wish you still had those guns.. they sound nice! Unstable boats are tipsy!
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270 all day... but really depends on how long a shot you are taking.
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I’m curious as well about the ruger America magnum in .300 winmag
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Old 03-19-2018, 09:25 PM   #6
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all those guns are horrible for elk. So buy a new one

If for no other reason than having a reason to buy one
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Which would you take this October, and why?



6.5x284 Norma, if it was an APR special with a great scope, that you reloaded for and felt particularly comfortable with.



270 - Plain Jane factory rifle, factory ammo, but nevertheless had harvested plenty of hogs and deer, sub MOA easily.



7mm WBY - An old rifle with old handloads that had proven success, although several years ago.



Or would you buy a new rifle for this purpose, 300WM Ruger American Magnum with factory ammo and a borrowed (great) scope.



Unfortunately I lost all my guns in a tragic boating accident so this is purely a hypothetical question.


None of those are good for elk. Iím thinking you need a new gun.

Do they make a 29 caliber nosler yet?

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Any of the 3 would do just fine. But if the option and funds are there to purchase one that is my vote. But I would pony up some more and get something nice. Not the american even though the do shoot decent


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Which one weighs the least?
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:12 PM   #10
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Which one weighs the least?
I almost added that All of them are in the 7-8lb range - all okay, none stand out.
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270 all day... but really depends on how long a shot you are taking.


Agree here
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:28 PM   #12
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The Weatherby. Elk are tough. I don’t care how many claim to kill them by the truckload with a 243. Lots also use tracking dogs every year. Hit them with a rocket. The 6.5 is too small on an iffy angle. 270 isn’t bad but slow and not a lot of punch. The 7 Roy is a missile launcher. That’s my choice.
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.270 with a premium 150+ grain bullet; plenty of kinetic energy and the longer heavier bullets will give you a better BC. There is no replacement for good shot placement!


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.270 with a premium 150+ grain bullet; plenty of kinetic energy and the longer heavier bullets will give you a better BC. There is no replacement for good shot placement!


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Old 03-19-2018, 10:52 PM   #15
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30-06 will do fine. If I had one rifle for all my rifle hunting it would be a 30-06. You can load it up or down. I have killed 3 bull elk with a single shot from my 30-06. You donít have to shoot them all across three canyons.
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I would most likely be packing the 7 Roy.
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Old 03-20-2018, 08:43 AM   #17
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243 with 115bergers. Thatís just me but going by your list, loving that 270! Since were making a pitch here, itís time for some new rifles(s)


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Old 03-20-2018, 08:58 AM   #18
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I'd go with the Weatherby, but if you just want a new gun for the occasion I'd buy a .338 Win Mag.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:05 AM   #19
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Negative on the 338win. If you need that kinda power, you ought to look into the 7mm (for this application and really, any critter) I donít see how anyone would need a 338 for anything .


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Of the choices you listed, the 7MM W is bar far the best choice.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:28 AM   #21
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Really interesting response - I'm glad I asked the green screen. Thanks!

I'd expected some votes for the 6.5x284, especially as it'll be my high falutin' rifle and really dialed in by that point. It's intended as the perfect axis gun so I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

I also expected more 300WM votes, especially since it would mean a new rifle.

So are the big 7's ( 7 WBY / 7 Rem Mag / 28 Nos / 280AI on the low side) the ideal elk cartridges in your minds, even better than the 300s?
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:32 AM   #22
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Whatever one you shoot most accurately.

If a person can't handle the kick of a 7 mag, get a 308, or 7mm08. Many guys swear by this. I have been hunting elk with my 7 mag, and am going to a 308 this year.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:37 AM   #23
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Really interesting response - I'm glad I asked the green screen. Thanks!

I'd expected some votes for the 6.5x284, especially as it'll be my high falutin' rifle and really dialed in by that point. It's intended as the perfect axis gun so I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

I also expected more 300WM votes, especially since it would mean a new rifle.

So are the big 7's ( 7 WBY / 7 Rem Mag / 28 Nos / 280AI on the low side) the ideal elk cartridges in your minds, even better than the 300s?
You could always go old school and get a 300 H&H in a pre '64 Winny.
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Old 03-20-2018, 09:40 AM   #24
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Of the ones mentioned I'd use the 7mm, but would prefer the .300 Win Mag.
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I'd be willing to bet half of the people that have commented haven't killed an elk I'd use the biggest option you have, they are very tough animals.
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6.5 if that’s what you’re more comfortable with
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Old 03-20-2018, 10:33 AM   #27
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270 imo. If your shipping it at 1300 yrds like Trophy8 then the 7mm.
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you are missing a key factor here......provide the weight of each rifle option to this equation.
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I grew up here in elk country. I would be willing to bet that more elk have been harvested by the 270 and 30-06 than any of the other calibers put together. You could probably throw in the 7mm in there as well. I have shot a number of elk in my earlier years with my 270 and a 130 grain bullet.
It was not until the growth in caliber choices that people started using other calibers available today. My only point is that the old school "stand by" big game calibers I mentioned above are plenty for elk.
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Really interesting response - I'm glad I asked the green screen. Thanks!

I'd expected some votes for the 6.5x284, especially as it'll be my high falutin' rifle and really dialed in by that point. It's intended as the perfect axis gun so I'm not disappointed, just surprised.

I also expected more 300WM votes, especially since it would mean a new rifle.

So are the big 7's ( 7 WBY / 7 Rem Mag / 28 Nos / 280AI on the low side) the ideal elk cartridges in your minds, even better than the 300s?
I built 2 long range hammers. A 300 and a 7 mag. I pick the 7. Running hot with a 180. Is go 300 win with a 200+ grain bullet but prefer the 8 due to the velocity increase and BC gain.
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.270 with a premium 150+ grain bullet; plenty of kinetic energy and the longer heavier bullets will give you a better BC. There is no replacement for good shot placement!


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I grew up here in elk country. I would be willing to bet that more elk have been harvested by the 270 and 30-06 than any of the other calibers put together. You could probably throw in the 7mm in there as well. I have shot a number of elk in my earlier years with my 270 and a 130 grain bullet.
It was not until the growth in caliber choices that people started using other calibers available today. My only point is that the old school "stand by" big game calibers I mentioned above are plenty for elk.
How many of those elk and mule deer took more than one shot?
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you are missing a key factor here......provide the weight of each rifle option to this equation.
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I almost added that All of them are in the 7-8lb range - all okay, none stand out.
Also I'm not looking to make extremely long shots - in my experience 400 yds is a long darn way to place that kind burden.
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Old 03-20-2018, 12:30 PM   #34
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It's just an elk, all three will be ok. Just take your time on the shot and don't rush. Most guys freak out when they see elk, and muff it up (assuming things don't die from said bullet)

I'm more concerned with physical weight then the caliber, for how we hunt.

On a side note, where are you guys elk hunting were there's an option for a tracking dog.....
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It's just an elk, all three will be ok. Just take your time on the shot and don't rush. Most guys freak out when they see elk, and muff it up (assuming things don't die from said bullet)

I'm more concerned with physical weight then the caliber, for how we hunt.

On a side note, where are you guys elk hunting were there's an option for a tracking dog.....
My comment was related to the bad shots and wounded animals in general. Not just elk. Idk anywhere that lets you use them. Might be somewhere but idk.
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Depending on the twist rate the 7 Roy is going to have the biggest thump.

The 6.5-284 is plenty of gun with the right Bullet choice. Iíd look at bullets like the Accubond or something similar.

The 6.5 has a high SD so penetration is good on them.

The mild 6.5x55 Swede has been killing big game for a long time for a reason.


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My comment was related to the bad shots and wounded animals in general. Not just elk. Idk anywhere that lets you use them. Might be somewhere but idk.


And ironically Roy Hines says the calls he gets most are to track deer shot with a 7mag.


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All those will work for elk, just use a good bullet and put it in the boiler room then get ready for the work cause it starts when the elk is down. Elk are not bullet proof, put a good bullet where it belongs and an elk will expire pretty quickly. Put that first bullet elsewhere and I hope you put some more lead in it quickly or it will be a long tracking job.

The few elk I have shot were with 257 Wby, 6.5-284, 7mm STW, 300 Wby and 350 Remington Mag. All but one were one shot kills, the one that wasn't would have been but was able to put another in him while he was still in the open so I did.
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How many of those elk and mule deer took more than one shot?
I can only answer for myself and I can tell you I have only needed one. But I also shot those elk at 350 yards or less.
I would also be willing to bet there are more elk wounded today because of guys believing they can shoot "long range" but yet never practice enough to be able to effectively do so. I see it every season up here.
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I can only answer for myself and I can tell you I have only needed one. But I also shot those elk at 350 yards or less.
I would also be willing to bet there are more elk wounded today because of guys believing they can shoot "long range" but yet never practice enough to be able to effectively do so. I see it every season up here.
I agree with that 100%. Folks thinking they can shoot 1000 yards just by buying a gunwerks rifle package or something.

I’ve had to hit big rutting mule deer a couple times. And know a lot of folks who have needed 2-3 good shots on elk. I just believe in packing the biggest gun you can accurately shoot and carry. Dead is dead. All personal opinion.
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Thatís because of the deer denisity of a whitetail. 7 mag is too much for whitetail. Perfect for elk though.
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Thatís because of the deer denisity of a whitetail. 7 mag is too much for whitetail. Perfect for elk though.


I donít buy into that theory at all. There is no such thing as overkill. Using the wrong bullet for the application or being scared of the recoil is the more likely reasons.


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I'm no scientist, but I actually heard it straight from Roy Hindes Sr before he passed away.

7 mag and 300 win mag were the calibers that wounded the most deer they were called for. Small hole in and small hole out. (He actually threw in 243 as well, but I 'll get lynched over that one.)
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I donít buy into that theory at all. There is no such thing as overkill. Using the wrong bullet for the application or being scared of the recoil is the more likely reasons.


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People using light bullets in a magnum and shooting behind the shoulder on a light animal. And recoil sensitive. Iíd put money thatís the main reasons lol
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If a nice bull walks out and poses broadside at 100 yds, most any caliber from .243 up with a decent bullet will get the job done. But.. late on the fifth day of a $6000 5 day elk hunt, a good bull walks out and stops quartering away from me at 300 yards, just steps away from the dark timber. I want a heavy controlled expansion bullet from a big magnum that will penetrate and break the off shoulder. That would be either my .300 Win Mag with a 200 grain bullet, or my .338 with a 250 grain bullet. And yes, I can handle the big magnums, my deer rifle has been a .300 Win Mag since 1977.

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I tend to agree about the magnum recoil not being a major factor here. A day at the range with a 300 magnum is mild-to-moderately unpleasant, but in the heat of the moment on a hunt you are not even aware of it. Additionally if I go 300WM I'd get a good brake (the little ******* has great reviews) and cushy stock pad as well.
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Depending on hunting terrian, I would go 300WM, but would take the 7mm with question. While any of them are OK in certain conditions, those won't be the conditions you find yourself in when you get a chance to shoot an elk.

I lost a cow elk at 180 yards horizontal,and 150 yards down vertical with a 270. Found her next afternoon 300ish yards from where I shot, hit exactly where I aimed(one lung due to angle), no exit, with 150 gr Hornady ammo. 300 yards at 10000 feet, thru timber laydown, and no blood trail is not an easy tracking tracking job. If you are at one of those ranches shooting on flat open ground smaller may be fine, but where I was at, the 270 lacked the power I needed.

Looking back, I should have shot her in the neck or thru the spine on the way to the opposite side lung. Live and learn, that was a hard lesson for me.
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I can only answer for myself and I can tell you I have only needed one. But I also shot those elk at 350 yards or less.

I would also be willing to bet there are more elk wounded today because of guys believing they can shoot "long range" but yet never practice enough to be able to effectively do so. I see it every season up here.


Yes agreed . A lot of fellas have trophy rifles and b**** and moan with the slightest scratch. 500yrs is far for me. Let alone walk the distance to retrieve said game. Too much 1000yard YouTube viewing and not enough practicing.


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So... you guys are saying I need to have APR build me a new custom carbon fiber 300 WM and nothing less will do?
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