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Old 12-05-2016, 07:12 PM   #1
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stumped on this one - we feed protein and cottonseed and had an awesome year on rainfall. Never seen this buck before but got video last weekend. His head, back, and stomach look young but his brisket shakes like he is ten years old. We are very well managed and do not take bucks until 6.5 or older no matter what the horns look like - some of our guys say 4 and some say 6. I have never seen a young bucks brisket shake like this -

what are the thoughts?


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Old 12-05-2016, 07:17 PM   #2
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:19 PM   #3
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My guess is 4-1/2. Didn't have a good side view but when he turned his head at the end of the video I didn't see loose skin around his jowls that I associate with much older deer.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:25 PM   #4
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Imo...that deer is older then you think...just my .02
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:40 PM   #5
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:40 PM   #6
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the last two post describe exactly what we are debating - some say 4 some say 6 - again I am stumped -
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:44 PM   #7
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That brisket almost looks like some kind of deformity.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:47 PM   #8
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im thinking 7.5
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:56 PM   #9
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My thoughts? You should have ground checked that old war horse!
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:57 PM   #10
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Not sure he will make 6.5 but I do think he is 5.5. I commend your leases management practices regarding waiting till they are 6.5. Letting the deer grow up is the biggest contributing factor followed by nutrition that can be done for deer management.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:57 PM   #11
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im thinking 7.5


Im leaning to this as well. He looks old to me.
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Old 12-05-2016, 07:59 PM   #12
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He's not young.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:03 PM   #13
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he's a 4 year old with a 7 year old brisket. no idea man, aside from the brisket, he doesn't look old. could he have gotten an infection? I had a snakebit deer that had a brisket halfway to the ground from infection.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:08 PM   #14
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:18 PM   #15
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Brisket looks every bit of a 7 year old, face looks like a 5 year old. Tie breaker goes to his knees. They appear to be all callused. My lease has the 7 year old rule on trophies and I would have no problem killing him
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:21 PM   #16
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:25 PM   #17
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He looks old to me. I agree his face does not match his body, but his brisket and other parts of his body look old.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:27 PM   #18
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Brisket looks every bit of a 7 year old, face looks like a 5 year old. Tie breaker goes to his knees. They appear to be all callused. My lease has the 7 year old rule on trophies and I would have no problem killing him
Spot on IMO.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:28 PM   #19
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I'm guessing 5.5 but that's all it is. A guess. I'm in for the education on this one.


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Old 12-05-2016, 08:30 PM   #20
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I think it's a cyst or something. But still probably 5.5 imo


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Old 12-05-2016, 08:33 PM   #21
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His knees tell me old and his brisket says really old...I know you guys know your deer but I'm thinking he might be post mature and on the decline.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:38 PM   #22
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Looks 7.5+ to me. Brisket, knees, and eyes show his age. We used to say all the time about some bucks that they are either 3.5 or 7.5 because they are hard to tell with body shape. That buck has the signs that points to being older.
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:39 PM   #23
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Brisket looks every bit of a 7 year old, face looks like a 5 year old. Tie breaker goes to his knees. They appear to be all callused. My lease has the 7 year old rule on trophies and I would have no problem killing him
^^^^this is what I see^^^^
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:39 PM   #24
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:46 PM   #25
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Hell of a buck I agree with the older crowd. A stud for sure especially with no history with.him
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:51 PM   #26
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I would gamble on the older end...
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Old 12-05-2016, 08:57 PM   #27
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I go with 5.5. What a great rack full of character !

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Old 12-05-2016, 08:59 PM   #28
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Looks 7.5+ to me. Brisket, knees, and eyes show his age. We used to say all the time about some bucks that they are either 3.5 or 7.5 because they are hard to tell with body shape. That buck has the signs that points to being older.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:03 PM   #29
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He's 6 or older.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:20 PM   #30
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Mature enough to take, a nice buck at that. That droopy floppy brisket is more than enough to justify it I would say
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:26 PM   #31
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I say mature, but I will say this about aging deer. I have a few friends that hunt a big ranch north of San Angelo and have been on a management program for a long time and have aged, by bottom teeth, for many years. Just this past year, they went to sending in the teeth to age professionally and paying to have it done and on the majority of deer that they aged by the lower jaw against real teeth on plaques or whatever they were using, they were low on the deer's age by at least 1 or 2 years and sometimes more. If you really want to know the age, only way to tell 100% is to have the teeth aged professionally which means paying money to have it done. It surprised a lot of the hunters and the landowners to find out how far off they were on aging deer via the teeth. Just saying.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:34 PM   #32
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Looks 7.5+ to me. Brisket, knees, and eyes show his age. We used to say all the time about some bucks that they are either 3.5 or 7.5 because they are hard to tell with body shape. That buck has the signs that points to being older.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:40 PM   #33
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He's at least 6. Deer are like people. There's always that guy that never quite looks his age in the face. Analomies are present even in the deer world.
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:50 PM   #34
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he's a 4 year old with a 7 year old brisket. no idea man, aside from the brisket, he doesn't look old. could he have gotten an infection? I had a snakebit deer that had a brisket halfway to the ground from infection.
I think you nailed it - a buddy I respect greatly says this is an edema - an injury that body fluids filled his brisket with - every sign on this deer is young except for the brisket - we will be conservative and let him ride ride till next year and see what happens
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:54 PM   #35
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Look at those swollen knees, i say 6+
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Old 12-05-2016, 09:56 PM   #36
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6.5-8.5 I had a buck last year that I know for sure was 7.5 and his brisket was swaying just like that. Funny that this year at 8.5 he doesn't have that swaying brisket like last year and still looks like in superb shape.

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Old 12-05-2016, 09:59 PM   #37
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I think you nailed it - a buddy I respect greatly says this is an edema - an injury that body fluids filled his brisket with - every sign on this deer is young except for the brisket - we will be conservative and let him ride ride till next year and see what happens
The head is the go/no-go for me. I watched that video a dozen times and couldn't get his head past 4 or 5 years old. in my opinion, on the old deer that get a saggy brisket, their neck gets saggy too. His neck is still fairly tight, and the floppiness seems to be confined to his brisket.
good luck, he looks to be in good health.

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Old 12-05-2016, 10:24 PM   #38
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7.5-8.5


His head looks young straight on but you can see his age at the end when he turns

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Old 12-05-2016, 10:25 PM   #39
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The head is the go/no-go for me. I watched that video a dozen times and couldn't get his head past 4 or 5 years old. in my opinion, on the old deer that get a saggy brisket, their neck gets saggy too. His neck is still fairly tight, and the floppiness seems to be confined to his brisket.
good luck, he looks to be in good health.
I agree
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:30 PM   #40
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I agree
This doesn't pertain to all deer, most yes. I'm 100% sure he is 6.5 or older. But heck y'all got 200 inch deer running around, y'all can afford to let him ride another year.
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:31 PM   #41
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4.5 MINIMUM... i think really 5.5-6.5
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:31 PM   #42
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Brisket looks every bit of a 7 year old, face looks like a 5 year old. Tie breaker goes to his knees. They appear to be all callused. My lease has the 7 year old rule on trophies and I would have no problem killing him
I'm on board with this..
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:41 PM   #43
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This doesn't pertain to all deer, most yes. I'm 100% sure he is 6.5 or older. But heck y'all got 200 inch deer running around, y'all can afford to let him ride another year.
I'm always interested to see. I don't recall many 7+ year old deer that have a head that looks that young. but I agree, not all deer show age the same way too.

There was a big 7 year old a friend of mine's wife shot a few years ago that I thought was 5. I'll see if I can find a video of it. He had no signs of an old buck. tight skin, light colored hocks. maybe he would have lived to be 15! LOL

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Old 12-05-2016, 10:44 PM   #44
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He's 6-7
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:45 PM   #45
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That deer is a deer you've never seen before and your on a LF place ! Kill him quickly
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Old 12-05-2016, 10:50 PM   #46
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Old 12-06-2016, 12:26 AM   #47
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Best way to tell is check his teeth on the tailgate. He would have died on camera if I'd been in the blind.
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That deer is a deer you've never seen before and your on a LF place ! Kill him quickly


Agreed. A deer that looks like that that has never been seen before needs to be killed. With them passing him tells me they have and have killed better deer.


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I say mature, but I will say this about aging deer. I have a few friends that hunt a big ranch north of San Angelo and have been on a management program for a long time and have aged, by bottom teeth, for many years. Just this past year, they went to sending in the teeth to age professionally and paying to have it done and on the majority of deer that they aged by the lower jaw against real teeth on plaques or whatever they were using, they were low on the deer's age by at least 1 or 2 years and sometimes more. If you really want to know the age, only way to tell 100% is to have the teeth aged professionally which means paying money to have it done. It surprised a lot of the hunters and the landowners to find out how far off they were on aging deer via the teeth. Just saying.
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Agreed. A deer that looks like that that has never been seen before needs to be killed. With them passing him tells me they have and have killed better deer.


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yes we have - we are highly managed and our number one criteria is age - at least 6 or older
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