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Old 01-05-2018, 08:36 PM   #51
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If I understand the fed laws then any grower that deposits grow money into a federal reserve bank has committed a federal crime and can be arrested and prosecuted. They will now have to deal in cash and cash only and open themselves up to being hijacked and robbed or worse. They will need an army to protect themselves.
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If I understand the fed laws then any grower that deposits grow money into a federal reserve bank has committed a federal crime and can be arrested and prosecuted. They will now have to deal in cash and cash only and open themselves up to being hijacked and robbed or worse. They will need an army to protect themselves.
The Irony is, the IRS has issued how they are to report income so they can pay their share of taxes.
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If I understand the fed laws then any grower that deposits grow money into a federal reserve bank has committed a federal crime and can be arrested and prosecuted. They will now have to deal in cash and cash only and open themselves up to being hijacked and robbed or worse. They will need an army to protect themselves.
Yeah, the Feds already attempted that in Colorado when it first got passed. Problem is, the writing was on the wall for a private bank to be formed so "drug money" could be deposited and transactions could be handled like an FDIC type bank. The Feds backed off of that real quick. They don't want a bank that they can't control.
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One issue voters. That's what the Democratic Party is. No thanks.
Get off the party thing.
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Well I guess the Feds are waiting until the coffers of full of drug money and then they can go in and seize assets. Would help wipe out the deficit for sure.
All federal drug cases result in forfeiture of any assets, money real estate, cars etc. Lock em up! Maybe the seized drug money will go back into the social security funds they have robbed.
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Get off the party thing.
Both parties zuck.
Don't be a *****. You're the one that mentioned voting for Hilary if you wanted to smoke. That's EXACTLY why I stated about 1 issue voting. Try to stay on subject, and keep up with the comments YOU make and how responses correlate to your statements. Deflecting as always.
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Well I guess the Feds are waiting until the coffers of full of drug money and then they can go in and seize assets. Would help wipe out the deficit for sure.
All federal drug cases result in forfeiture of any assets, money real estate, cars etc. Lock em up! Maybe the seized drug money will go back into the social security funds they have robbed.
Yep! Robbed the SS and now wanting to rob the money generated by an industry that a state has passed into law.

It's funny how most on here was screaming states rights when Texas wanted to ignore the same sex marriage thing, but now spout off about federal law against something they don't agree with. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Don't be a *****. You're the one that mentioned voting for Hilary if you wanted to smoke. That's EXACTLY why I stated about 1 issue voting. Try to stay on subject, and keep up with the comments YOU make and how responses correlate to your statements. Deflecting as always.
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It's funny how most on here was screaming states rights when Texas wanted to ignore the same sex marriage thing, but now spout off about federal law against something they don't agree with. The hypocrisy is astounding.
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Yep! Robbed the SS and now wanting to rob the money generated by an industry that a state has passed into law.



It's funny how most on here was screaming states rights when Texas wanted to ignore the same sex marriage thing, but now spout off about federal law against something they don't agree with. The hypocrisy is astounding.





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I didnt read all of the posts.. I don't need too either.
People can come up with various reasons of why it SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be legalized..
I will say this. I'm against it only because the 2 people that I know who use everyday for "medical purposes" are worthless, lazy, and have more medical issues now than they did before that started staying stoned, day in, day out..
These folks are now a liability instead of being contributing adults...
They are both in their early 50's..
I know that is a small snap shot but from what I hear from my friends in Colorado that is exactly how It has affected that states daily users too..
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I didnt read all of the posts.. I don't need too either.
People can come up with various reasons of why it SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be legalized..
I will say this. I'm against it only because the 2 people that I know who use everyday for "medical purposes" are worthless, lazy, and have more medical issues now than they did before that started staying stoned, day in, day out..
These folks are now a liability instead of being contributing adults...
They are both in their early 50's..
I know that is a small snap shot but from what I hear from my friends in Colorado that is exactly how It has affected that states daily users too..
Get ready to get flamed.

This topic gets more feelings hurt than religion.
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I didnt read all of the posts.. I don't need too either.
People can come up with various reasons of why it SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be legalized..
I will say this. I'm against it only because the 2 people that I know who use everyday for "medical purposes" are worthless, lazy, and have more medical issues now than they did before that started staying stoned, day in, day out..
These folks are now a liability instead of being contributing adults...
They are both in their early 50's..
I know that is a small snap shot but from what I hear from my friends in Colorado that is exactly how It has affected that states daily users too..

Some will want you to believe what they tell you rather than your lying eyes.
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It's always funny seeing a bunch of "alcoholics" or "pill poppers" commenting about "pot heads". Its hypocrisy at its finest.
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I was in Colorado this past weekend. They were ******! He just lost Trump supporters in Colorado... I partook in the legal activities and loved it!
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Some will want you to believe what they tell you rather than your lying eyes.
No worries. After 8 years of Barry and his crew I have my BS filter perfectly fine tuned..
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It's always funny seeing a bunch of "alcoholics" or "pill poppers" commenting about "pot heads". Its hypocrisy at its finest.
Coming from an apparent judgmental pothead.

Unless you know more than I do. I don't think I pop pills or get drunk. At least throw in Bible thumpers or something.
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I was in Colorado this past weekend. They were ******! He just lost Trump supporters in Colorado... I partook in the legal activities and loved it!
And the ironic thing is all the smoking pot heads will now not vote for Trump. And they probably still don't realize what Sessions did was good (if not great) for marijuana. Sessions basically opened the door for the Feds to give the right to choose to each State.

But I don't plan to sit here all day trying to explain to a bunch of guys that probably can't read through the smoke. And if they could they wouldn't understand.
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[QUOTE=RiverRat1;13083525]Coming from an apparent judgmental pothead.

One doesn't have to be a pothead to want others to have the liberty to relax in whatever responsible way they choose. Whether that be a nice glass of whiskey or other means. I think some of us care more about personal responsibility and government overreach.....than the actual "drug" of choice.

Prohibition has shown not to work too well. So I'm for trying something else.
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Coming from an apparent judgmental pothead.

Unless you know more than I do. I don't think I pop pills or get drunk. At least throw in Bible thumpers or something.
You don't THINK? Only you know that. And a bible thumper you aren't.
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I was in Colorado this past weekend. They were ******! He just lost Trump supporters in Colorado... I partook in the legal activities and loved it!
Do dopers vote anyway?
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I did!! Trump 2020!!!

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I didnt read all of the posts.. I don't need too either.
People can come up with various reasons of why it SHOULD or SHOULD NOT be legalized..
I will say this. I'm against it only because the 2 people that I know who use everyday for "medical purposes" are worthless, lazy, and have more medical issues now than they did before that started staying stoned, day in, day out..
These folks are now a liability instead of being contributing adults...
They are both in their early 50's..
I know that is a small snap shot but from what I hear from my friends in Colorado that is exactly how It has affected that states daily users too..
That's most likely because they one's you do know that are productive citizens have to hide the fact they use the substance in order to not be judged by the folks that lump the entire group of users into the "lazy" category.

So, are you also against firearm ownership for all people since a few crazies decided to go shoot up schools, churches, or concerts? Probably not if I had to guess.

This substance is just like any other substance. If the person is already lazy, they will continue to do so. If the person is productive and has will power, they will continue to prosper. With or without the substance.

At least be consistent.
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That's most likely because they one's you do know that are productive citizens have to hide the fact they use the substance in order to not be judged by the folks that lump the entire group of users into the "lazy" category.

So, are you also against firearm ownership for all people since a few crazies decided to go shoot up schools, churches, or concerts? Probably not if I had to guess.

This substance is just like any other substance. If the person is already lazy, they will continue to do so. If the person is productive and has will power, they will continue to prosper. With or without the substance.

At least be consistent.
The firearm / substance abuse example is laughable!

After watch my step-dad die of Stage 4 lung cancer....I'm for medical mj.

I see folks today that I went to school with that we called stoners then, 30 years later......life hasn't worked out so well for them
I know this is a small segment of the populous.......just my small world view.


Some folks can't use it responsibly ....alcohol included. I don't see easier access as a good thing accept for the doctor writing the scripts

It's hard to take a stance on any of it.
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Yall like living in a democracy? Or something more authoritarian? Majority support legalization nationwide. If you don't, that's fine you are the minority. Have a seat and enjoy your democratic govt. at work

http://news.gallup.com/poll/221018/r...marijuana.aspx
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Yall like living in a democracy? Or something more authoritarian? Majority support legalization nationwide. If you don't, that's fine you are the minority. Have a seat and enjoy your democratic govt. at work

http://news.gallup.com/poll/221018/r...marijuana.aspx
Democrats prefer legalization more than Republicans.....SHOCKING!
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Yall like living in a democracy? Or something more authoritarian? Majority support legalization nationwide. If you don't, that's fine you are the minority. Have a seat and enjoy your democratic govt. at work



http://news.gallup.com/poll/221018/r...marijuana.aspx


Itís a good thing we arenít a true democracy then, right?

The pro dope folks are ****** at the wrong people. We are either going to enforce laws or we arenít. If you donít like the laws, complain to Congress to get them changed.

To turn a blind eye to enforcement of laws we donít like is not the answer.


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Itís a good thing we arenít a true democracy then, right?

The pro dope folks are ****** at the wrong people. We are either going to enforce laws or we arenít. If you donít like the laws, complain to Congress to get them changed.

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Most of the pro-doppers want open borders as well.....crazy!
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Itís a good thing we arenít a true democracy then, right?

The pro dope folks are ****** at the wrong people. We are either going to enforce laws or we arenít. If you donít like the laws, complain to Congress to get them changed.

To turn a blind eye to enforcement of laws we donít like is not the answer.


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Unconstitutional laws should never be enforced.
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Unconstitutional?

How do you figure?




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It’s a good thing we aren’t a true democracy then, right?

The pro dope folks are ****** at the wrong people. We are either going to enforce laws or we aren’t. If you don’t like the laws, complain to Congress to get them changed.

To turn a blind eye to enforcement of laws we don’t like is not the answer.


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X2. There are two different arguments going on here. I'm not going to opine on "pot - good or bad?" But like Mike said, the president issuing a memo to not enforce federal laws that are no longer popular with the majority is not the answer. The Republican senator from Colorado who blew a gasket over Sessions announcement needs to redirect his energy towards a bill that would change the law. By the way, do you really think federal prosecutors in pot-legal states are going to suddenly start shutting down the industry? I highly doubt it. Sessions is forcing congresses hand.
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The firearm / substance abuse example is laughable!

After watch my step-dad die of Stage 4 lung cancer....I'm for medical mj.

I see folks today that I went to school with that we called stoners then, 30 years later......life hasn't worked out so well for them
I know this is a small segment of the populous.......just my small world view.


Some folks can't use it responsibly ....alcohol included. I don't see easier access as a good thing accept for the doctor writing the scripts

It's hard to take a stance on any of it.
Some folks can't use anything responsibly. They overdo any stimulant or depressant that is available for them to use. Doesn't mean it can't be used responsibly. Just like alcohol.

If you think the substance isn't already easily accessible you must have blinders on. It is easier for our children to obtain than alcohol. If you don't believe me ask some of our current youth about it.

Those folks you called stoners already had that laziness in their DNA prior to being introduced to Marijuana. That's why we have lazy people that aren't users and highly productive people that are users of the substance. If you look close enough you'll find far more productive users than worthless ones.

It's just like any other controversial topic. You can't look at a small sample size and apply it to the entire group. Just because you know a hand full of stoners doesn't mean that is the rule for everybody.
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Some folks can't use anything responsibly. They overdo any stimulant or depressant that is available for them to use. Doesn't mean it can't be used responsibly. Just like alcohol.

If you think the substance isn't already easily accessible you must have blinders on. It is easier for our children to obtain than alcohol. If you don't believe me ask some of our current youth about it.

Those folks you called stoners already had that laziness in their DNA prior to being introduced to Marijuana. That's why we have lazy people that aren't users and highly productive people that are users of the substance. If you look close enough you'll find far more productive users than worthless ones.

It's just like any other controversial topic. You can't look at a small sample size and apply it to the entire group. Just because you know a hand full of stoners doesn't mean that is the rule for everybody.
As long as we legalize coke too.
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As long as we legalize coke too.
...I'm good with it.
I'm ok with that. None of it is "good" for you and people that want to do crazy things....do crazy things. Drink too much and it will kill you. Do too much dope and it will kill you. Folks already know this. Regulate it and tax it. Let big boys and girls make big decisions. Enough of this nanny state.
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This memo won't have much of an effect on marijuana prosecutions and in substance says very little. It suggests that Fed prosecutors use discretion in deciding which cases to prosecute considering the departments "finite resources." That's code for "politically we need to take this stance on MJ but don't waste time and money prosecuting these things."

That tells federal LEO that they shouldn't invest their time and resources conducting these types of investigations in states where MJ is legal because the US attorneys office likely won't accept the case for prosecution.

That doesn't mean that it will be less aggressively prosecuted in states where it is still illegal or that any dispensary who isn't following federal income reporting procedures won't get popped. It won't be long before people go to federal prison over this but it won't be for possession or sale. It will be for structuring, tax evasion, bribery or conspiracy to commit one of those offenses.
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We need drug testing.
Drug test to get welfare
Drug test to vote
Drug test to buy a firearm
Drug test to get a drivers license
Drug test for a hunting license
Drug test to get insurance.
Drug test to post on green screen

That'll fix it!
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That'll fix it!
We're gonna lose a lot good members.
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I think he did what he should have, and overturned something BO should have never done.

There are all kinds of controlled substances, like antibotics for example, that i don't think should be controlled. BUt they are, and if you sell them on the streets you might go to jail....
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If you want to smoke weed then go smoke weed.. The ones pushing for this are probably already doing it and that's your business. I have no problem with it.. Some of you are probably responsible enough to handle it but MANY out there are not..

Don't try to push this crap off on the entire public, we have enough to worry about as it is, without this crap.. Between the drunk drivers, idiots texting and driving, and illegals that have no clue how to drive, we don't need a bunch of stoners on the roads..
Stop the insanity.... What will be next????

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Old 01-08-2018, 06:06 PM   #94
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We need drug testing.
Drug test to get welfare
Drug test to vote
Drug test to buy a firearm
Drug test to get a drivers license
Drug test for a hunting license
Drug test to get insurance.
Drug test to post on green screen

That'll fix it!
That would be awesome..
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Old 01-08-2018, 06:38 PM   #95
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We need drug testing.
Drug test to get welfare
Drug test to vote
Drug test to buy a firearm
Drug test to get a drivers license
Drug test for a hunting license
Drug test to get insurance.
Drug test to post on green screen

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Old 01-09-2018, 08:28 AM   #96
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Serious question, in states where it is legal can they openly smoke it in public places like say an outdoor park? I'm just curious if that is the case and how I would handle it if someone was blazing one and me and my young children were getting it second hand. And don't say I would handle it by getting high, giggling like a child and then getting the munchies.
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No. You're not allowed to toke in public.
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I guess the same way you handle free beer.
Depends on the state...some states allow the municipality to decide if it legal to smoke in public. For example, Colorado allows municipalities to choose, though most choose to not allow in public. But, the industry has gotten around that by creating edibles and the E-Pens (their biggest seller). You can not smell the weed in the E-Pens, they are flavored wax so you will get the scent of the wax. We smoked lemon flavored all weekend in Breckenridge, even in some bars and no one gave a crap. We also weren't the only ones doing it.
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Old 01-09-2018, 08:29 AM   #97
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We need drug testing.
Drug test to get welfare
Drug test to vote
Drug test to buy a firearm
Drug test to get a drivers license
Drug test for a hunting license
Drug test to get insurance.
Drug test to post on green screen

That'll fix it!
Looks like I will be taking up cycling then....
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If you want to smoke weed then go smoke weed.. The ones pushing for this are probably already doing it and that's your business. I have no problem with it.. Some of you are probably responsible enough to handle it but MANY out there are not..

Don't try to push this crap off on the entire public, we have enough to worry about as it is, without this crap.. Between the drunk drivers, idiots texting and driving, and illegals that have no clue how to drive, we don't need a bunch of stoners on the roads..
Stop the insanity.... What will be next????
legalization of meth and a free needle give away for heroin (all paid for by our tax dollars)...
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Itís a good thing we arenít a true democracy then, right?

The pro dope folks are ****** at the wrong people. We are either going to enforce laws or we arenít. If you donít like the laws, complain to Congress to get them changed.

To turn a blind eye to enforcement of laws we donít like is not the answer.


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Pure democracy, we are a "true democracy"(when it comes to voting system) but we are not a Pure Democracy because our power is placed in the hands of representatives and not the individual. Thank god we aren't a Pure because our country would have already shifted to full socialism.
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The bottom line of what this whole argument comes down to is

"You know, this war on drugs is funded by tobacco and alcohol commissions.
It's not what drugs you're strung out on they care about so much as whose..."
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