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Old 07-16-2018, 01:31 PM   #51
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:34 PM   #52
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I'm not in the cattle business. But if I was and I saw any critter attempt to kill a cow/calf, I would attempt to kill it back without regard for anyone else's opinion on the matter. Black head, red head, white head....
Roger that. With margins as thin as they are I wouldnt hesitate to protect my investment.
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Old 07-16-2018, 01:55 PM   #53
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:11 PM   #54
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I know sex sells, but promoting a buzzard decoy?!?























Ok, I bought a couple!
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:14 PM   #55
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That would be one big ear tag.
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Old 07-16-2018, 02:15 PM   #56
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NO permit required to shoot the black headed buzzards. They are an invasive species out of mexico and not native to Texas. They are NOT protected. Red headed (Turkey Buzzards) are protected but they very rarely attack new born calves unless they are near death/lifeless in my experience.
Some bird treaty of 1918 has em federally protected but seems to me the livestock can be protected as well. Game Warden backed it up for me. However.......

Cattle raiser associations are lobbying to get em unprotected as well to avoid any hassle with protecting their stuff. They actually make dead buzzard decoys that hang upside down to try and run em off.
Wonder if guard donkeys or dogs running with the cattle could work?
I know what I'd do..
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:22 PM   #57
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Just thinking out loud. If you aren't the type of person who would just not worry about the legal implications of killing your nuisance birds... another alternative might be to shoot something else and let it lay. Say a few feral hogs. At least during the time when some calves were dropping.

Not sure if that is feasible... but if they aren't going to move on where there is dead stuff for them to feed on, give em dead stuff and keep em off the live stuff.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:35 PM   #58
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From a standpoint of legal, practical and expedient non-lethal solutions, why not get some cattle guard dogs, such as Great Pyrenees?
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:35 PM   #59
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Google buzzard traps. Quite effective.
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Old 07-16-2018, 03:48 PM   #60
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Just thinking out loud. If you aren't the type of person who would just not worry about the legal implications of killing your nuisance birds... another alternative might be to shoot something else and let it lay. Say a few feral hogs. At least during the time when some calves were dropping.

Not sure if that is feasible... but if they aren't going to move on where there is dead stuff for them to feed on, give em dead stuff and keep em off the live stuff.
I think it might be. At least that is my working theory around fawning time. I try to leave as many dead hogs as possible scattered around my place to keep the yotes occupied. You see, coyotes are Democrats. They're always messing in your business and they can't turn down a freebie.....
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:07 PM   #61
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NO permit required to shoot the black headed buzzards. They are an invasive species out of mexico and not native to Texas. They are NOT protected. Red headed (Turkey Buzzards) are protected but they very rarely attack new born calves unless they are near death/lifeless in my experience.
This. The black headed buzzards are aggressive pests.
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Old 07-16-2018, 04:13 PM   #62
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I think it might be. At least that is my working theory around fawning time. I try to leave as many dead hogs as possible scattered around my place to keep the yotes occupied. You see, coyotes are Democrats. They're always messing in your business and they can't turn down a freebie.....
I can't see that as doing anything but attracting still more of the pests. Coyotes may only have a given number in an area, but those buzzards can literally start showing up by the hundreds if there is plenty of food.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:03 PM   #63
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This. The black headed buzzards are aggressive pests.
Are you sure they aren't protected? I just always assumed they were. I did a quick search and came across this article where they are trying to get them off the protected list, but it's also a year old.

https://www.dcreport.org/2017/08/03/...lack-vultures/

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Black vultures and more than 800 other species of birds are protected under the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 which makes it illegal to kill the birds without a federal permit.
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Old 07-16-2018, 05:51 PM   #64
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For the record:

It’s also illegal to shoot a human. But if one is trying to kill you..... well I guess file for a permit would be best
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Old 07-16-2018, 06:03 PM   #65
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We shoot them with .300's when they're jacking with the cattle. It's a lot of fun

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Old 07-16-2018, 08:12 PM   #66
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I wasnít saying whether he should or shouldnít shoot them, I was just replying to the comments saying it was legal to do so. If they were killing my animals, I know how I would handle it.
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Old 07-16-2018, 08:53 PM   #67
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.17HMR is a fine buzzard caliber.........at least that is what I have been told. 😁
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:02 PM   #68
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GET A PERMIT TO KILL VULTURES

Killing vultures is illegal unless someone has a permit allowing it. There has to be a reason for killing them, such as losing livestock to the vultures. Call 505-248-7882 or visit the Fish and Wildlife Service website for more information.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:12 PM   #69
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NO permit required to shoot the black headed buzzards. They are an invasive species out of mexico and not native to Texas. They are NOT protected. Red headed (Turkey Buzzards) are protected but they very rarely attack new born calves unless they are near death/lifeless in my experience.
This information is not correct. They are native to Texas and protected.
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Old 07-17-2018, 06:52 AM   #70
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This information is not correct. They are native to Texas and protected.
I stand corrected sir. You are correct, I was misinformed or actually just misunderstood the situation from which I drew that conclusion. I was unaware that the person I got my info from was in possession of a permit.

Should have reasearched it for myself. That being said it looks like there is a very strong movement to get them removed from the list.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:10 AM   #71
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Our local TPW biologist has helped several ranchers obtain depredation permits. You might try contacting yours. We also have a Gov. trapper in Victoria Co. if I'm not mistaken he needs no permit.
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Old 07-17-2018, 07:26 AM   #72
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Itís also illegal to shoot a human. But if one is trying to kill you..... well I guess file for a permit would be best
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:00 PM   #73
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Lol, proper permission to be a free man. Come back to reality and realize that holds no weight in today's society tough talk.



Appreciate the info on the black headed buzzards and permits. I have some bird watching environmentalists on one side of me, and they would be calling a warden in a New York minute if they seen me busting a buzzard. Looks like there are ways to make sure my rear is covered, and not just using "being a free man" lol.


Wasnít trying to rile you, bud, but it sure doesnít sound like youíre free if you need to check with the govít first. I guess just suffer through a diminished calf crop if you canít deal with them any other way. Good luck. Dang buzzards have gotten way more aggressive in the last twenty years or so.
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Old 08-07-2018, 07:11 PM   #74
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I didnít read every post but dang that has to be frustrating. Why exactly are they protected?


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