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Old 07-15-2018, 03:48 PM   #1
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I am so dang sick of these miserable, nasty creatures. They keep surrounding my cattle trying to kill calves. Drove up today to find at least 100 in the back pasture. I've already lost 1 calf to them, now I'm 2 short on counts today. I see red every time I drive up and see them. I remember one instance 2 years ago where I drove up on a cow with a new calf. There was a perfect circle of bare dirt around her from fighting buzzards. Her tongue was hanging out she was so tired from fighting them. Best part is they are protected so you can't do a darn thing about it.

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Old 07-15-2018, 03:50 PM   #2
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Didnít realize they were predators always thought they were just scavengers thatís crazy
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Are the buzzards killing the newborn calves just after they’re born ?
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Are the buzzards killing the newborn calves just after theyíre born ?
Typically, but we've seen them peck eyes out on several week old calves.

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I deal with them daily year around. You HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY! so do what needs done and go about your life. All will be well

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Old 07-15-2018, 03:58 PM   #7
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I deal with them daily year around. You HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY! so do what needs done and go about your life. All will be well

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How not to write a post dealing with breaking a law and not implicate yourself.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:00 PM   #10
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I am so dang sick of these miserable, nasty creatures. They keep surrounding my cattle trying to kill calves. Drove up today to find at least 100 in the back pasture. I've already lost 1 calf to them, now I'm 2 short on counts today. I see red every time I drive up and see them. I remember one instance 2 years ago where I drove up on a cow with a new calf. There was a perfect circle of bare dirt around her from fighting buzzards. Her tongue was hanging out she was so tired from fighting them. Best part is they are protected so you can't do a darn thing about it.

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The black headed ones are not protected. and you have the right to defend/protect your livestock.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:01 PM   #11
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Buzzards, crows, raccoons, hogs, road runners, all pests as far as I am concerned
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:05 PM   #13
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Typically, but we've seen them peck eyes out on several week old calves.

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Wow I never knew about that
Worst thing we worry about on ours during calving season is the coyotes and last few years we’ve had concerns about the hog population

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Old 07-15-2018, 04:05 PM   #14
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Crazy, can’t imagine how mad I would be to see one pecking the eyes of a new born calf either. Sound advise above. But not sure I would broad cast it on the web. On the other hand protected or not. If they are killing Livestock are you still able to protect your property against them?
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Crazy, canít imagine how mad I would be to see one pecking they eyes of a new born calf either. Sound advise above. But not sure I would broad cast it on the web. On the other hand protected or not. If they are killing
Livestock are you still able to protect your property against them?
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How not to write a post dealing with breaking a law and not implicate yourself.
Not breaking a law protecting my property. And by not advertising it thereís no reason for a single person to be concerned what I do
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Not breaking a law protecting my property. And by not advertising it thereís no reason for a single person to be concerned what I do
Actually, without a permit..you are.. and you did advertise it.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:08 PM   #18
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Actually, without a permit..you are.. and you did advertise it.
Thanks JR warden!

Iím offering an option that 100% of real world farmers use that is sort of an unwritten blind eye.

But sure getting a &$&%^ ing permit while your investment is being destroyed and waiting on government red tape is a great option as well!

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Old 07-15-2018, 04:20 PM   #20
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NO permit required to shoot the black headed buzzards. They are an invasive species out of mexico and not native to Texas. They are NOT protected. Red headed (Turkey Buzzards) are protected but they very rarely attack new born calves unless they are near death/lifeless in my experience.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:26 PM   #21
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Man Iím sorry to here yíall have to deal with this, like itís not hard enough as it is. Not sure Iíd wait for a permit to protect my livelyhood either. Good luck OP and others in the cattle industry.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:53 PM   #22
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I dealt with them too many times this spring while the calves were being born. It was the black headed buzzards. They get very aggressive going after calves. Some ranchers shoot em even though it’s illegal. It made me angry having to constantly fight em off. One morning while feeding, I drove up on a pair that was corned at a fence and pond. Usually the other new moms would join in and help fight the buzzards off. Not this time. There were a bunch trying to wear down or wait the momma out. Thankful I got there just in time before they pounced.
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Old 07-15-2018, 04:58 PM   #23
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Didnít realize they were predators always thought they were just scavengers thatís crazy
Something I didnít know until this year is that eagles are scavengers also. Dumped hogs out of a trap. Next morning there were two bald eagles out there along with the buzzards and yotes.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:04 PM   #24
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I deal with them daily year around. You HAVE THE RIGHT TO PROTECT YOUR PROPERTY! so do what needs done and go about your life. All will be well

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Old 07-15-2018, 05:10 PM   #25
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Have not had a problem with buzzards but have had several dead calves from Mexican Eagles known also as Cara Cara
Found dead calves with eyes pecked out with a 5’ circle of blood around their head
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:43 PM   #26
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I am so dang sick of these miserable, nasty creatures. They keep surrounding my cattle trying to kill calves. Drove up today to find at least 100 in the back pasture. I've already lost 1 calf to them, now I'm 2 short on counts today. I see red every time I drive up and see them. I remember one instance 2 years ago where I drove up on a cow with a new calf. There was a perfect circle of bare dirt around her from fighting buzzards. Her tongue was hanging out she was so tired from fighting them. Best part is they are protected so you can't do a darn thing about it.

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Not true. You can do what's necessary, just don't go telling everybody. Dang sure don't go crying on the internet.

Or you can sit there wringing your hands, worried about the gov't and whether or not you have the proper permission to be a free man, while your newborn calves die.
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Old 07-15-2018, 05:57 PM   #27
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Have the right to protect your live stock as others have said
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:10 PM   #28
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Old 07-15-2018, 06:48 PM   #29
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You can get a depredation permit for them. Our friends raise Beefmaster cattle and they have one.
Last year, right before dove season opened the GW rolled up and asked if they were shooting dove. Nope! Just buzzards. Got permit, no problem.
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It's still ok to not tell everything you do on the interweb. Just make sure your your coffee shoes don't start telling stories.
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Old 07-15-2018, 07:14 PM   #31
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Never scene or heard of red headed buzzards getting after calves. Black headed is a different story. Typically they are just wanting the after birth but can get aggressive after a fresh calf.
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Mexican eagles are tough on fawns and calves. They definitely hang out in deer pens when fawns are being born. They are the coyotes of the sky.


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Old 07-15-2018, 10:13 PM   #33
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Great quote! No ones business but yours. Protect and be quiet.
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I bet a 17HMR makes a fine calf killin' buzzard eradicator..




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Old 07-15-2018, 10:22 PM   #35
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Black headed ones are bad about killing calves

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The black headed ones are aggressive and are taken over, seeing less turkey buzzards around the central Texas area and thatís all I use to see.
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In fannin co I see the exact opposite. The red headed turkey vultures are the aggressive ones and I have seen them push the black headed ones away from a fresh kill and take it over. I have heard that the turkey vultures are very aggressive on newborn calves
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Old 07-16-2018, 12:26 AM   #39
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had a rancher next to a deer lease I was on who had them coming in and killing his lambs as soon as they were born. He wanted me to shoot all I could. Never did, but I know he sure hated those things.
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So is it a fact that the black headed vultures are open game if harassing livestock? We have the same issue at our place. They are bad.


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You can get a depredation permit for them. Our friends raise Beefmaster cattle and they have one.
Last year, right before dove season opened the GW rolled up and asked if they were shooting dove. Nope! Just buzzards. Got permit, no problem.
That's what I was going to suggest but I wasn't sure if a depredation permit would apply to buzzards. That's the route I'd take if that's the only legal option.

If you do I think you should find out where they roost and put the sneak on 'em at night with a .22 and a flashlight. Then shoot coyotes and other stuff off their carcasses. Then shoot more buzzards off of theirs. I betcha you could get things to smellin real nice around there.
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:34 AM   #42
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Old 07-16-2018, 09:43 AM   #43
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Not true. You can do what's necessary, just don't go telling everybody. Dang sure don't go crying on the internet.

Or you can sit there wringing your hands, worried about the gov't and whether or not you have the proper permission to be a free man, while your newborn calves die.
Lol, proper permission to be a free man. Come back to reality and realize that holds no weight in today's society tough talk.

Appreciate the info on the black headed buzzards and permits. I have some bird watching environmentalists on one side of me, and they would be calling a warden in a New York minute if they seen me busting a buzzard. Looks like there are ways to make sure my rear is covered, and not just using "being a free man" lol.
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In fannin co I see the exact opposite. The red headed turkey vultures are the aggressive ones and I have seen them push the black headed ones away from a fresh kill and take it over. I have heard that the turkey vultures are very aggressive on newborn calves
Red headed turkey vultures are so aggressive they done took over your Avitar!
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Apparently, the National Cattlemen's Beef Association has an active lobbying effort ongoing to get the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service to issue broad open season on black vultures. Here's a link to an article, suggesting contacting the acting USFWS director and U.S. Representatives and Senators.

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You can get a depredation permit for them. Our friends raise Beefmaster cattle and they have one.
Last year, right before dove season opened the GW rolled up and asked if they were shooting dove. Nope! Just buzzards. Got permit, no problem.
This,,,but I was thinking there were some federal regs that put a stop to them issuing them a year or so back?????
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NO permit required to shoot the black headed buzzards. They are an invasive species out of mexico and not native to Texas. They are NOT protected. Red headed (Turkey Buzzards) are protected but they very rarely attack new born calves unless they are near death/lifeless in my experience.
I was in Maryland last year and ran into Mexican Buzzards. Guess they are everywhere now........
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I'm not in the cattle business. But if I was and I saw any critter attempt to kill a cow/calf, I would attempt to kill it back without regard for anyone else's opinion on the matter. Black head, red head, white head....
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