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Old 05-26-2017, 10:06 AM   #1
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Universal Basic Income: Mark Zuckerberg wants to give you free money for being alive


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Mark Zuckerberg has suggested paying people a basic income regardless of skills or experience under the universal basic income system.

The Facebook co-founder called for consideration of the economic theory during a speech made at his former university, Harvard.

“Every generation expands its definition of equality. Now it’s time for our generation to define a new social contract,” Zuckerberg said. “We should have a society that measures progress not by economic metrics like GDP but by how many of us have a role we find meaningful. We should explore ideas like universal basic income to make sure everyone has a cushion to try new ideas.”...........

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ok let him give up all his money and take the minimum. see how long that lasts
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Not his money of course.
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everyone get's a unicorn too!

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He can mail me a check every month.
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Man you can tell he's fallen in to that little bubble over there..
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I remember when Russia did that, except the called it Communism, and it failed and killed 20 MILLION people through starvation, lack of adequate living conditions and slaughtered by their own gov't.

But hey History has never repeated itself, so let's give it a shot there Mark.

You start by divying up your wealth and giving equal portions to every citizen. And you can never again live off of anymore than the basic universal wage..... how's that sound?
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No you got it wrong. He wants all of us that work for a living to give our money to those that don't.

Spoiler alert, LBJ beat him on enacting this plan by several decades.
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Elon Musk is the champion of this right now, Zuck is just jumping on the bandwagon.

Read some of what Musk has written about it, not saying I'm in favor in our current economic system. His take though is that as technology advances, there could be a day where there is very little need for jobs.

He doesn't advocate that people couldn't make more, but that the potential for humans not working could be there. You could still own a factory with no employees and deliver a product.

Its a complex idea.
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:16 AM   #10
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So now we should pay even more out of our pocket to let lazy *** people get even lazier?! Also, inflation much? This guy has already made billions off of an idea that has made America (and the rest of the world) considerably less productive because everyone's worried about what someone else is eating for lunch than getting their job done...as I sit at work on TBH typing this out instead of working...
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You lost me at Mark Zuckerberg
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:23 AM   #12
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I haven't paid too much attention to anything hes done since he shot that kid in self defense...


what?
not him?


the faces book guy?

didn't he steal the idea for that?

I tend to not listen to uberrich thieves that want to tell me how much better the world would be if I gave away my money to someone that did nothing for it...
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Old 05-26-2017, 10:24 AM   #13
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I read an article that suggested, for example, $10k/yr per citizen over 21 as a basic income to do with as they please. So the US has what, 322+ million people? Let's say 1/4 of those are under 21. That is still roughly 240 million checks. How could we afford to give out all those $10k checks a year as a basic income? Where do they think money that would come from? Yeah, taxes. Like we need more taxes.
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I guess money doesn't buy common sense
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He's runnin for Pres already!
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I remember when Russia did that, except the called it Communism, and it failed and killed 20 MILLION people through starvation, lack of adequate living conditions and slaughtered by their own gov't.

But hey History has never repeated itself, so let's give it a shot there Mark.

You start by divying up your wealth and giving equal portions to every citizen. And you can never again live off of anymore than the basic universal wage..... how's that sound?
But that wasn't REAL communism, surely it will work this time...
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Says the guy with billions in the bank...
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No you got it wrong. He wants all of us that work for a living to give our money to those that don't.

Spoiler alert, LBJ beat him on enacting this plan by several decades.
yes sir
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People will not work harder if there is no incentive to....PERIOD.
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I remember when Russia did that, except the called it Communism, and it failed and killed 20 MILLION people through starvation, lack of adequate living conditions and slaughtered by their own gov't.

But hey History has never repeated itself, so let's give it a shot there Mark.

You start by divying up your wealth and giving equal portions to every citizen. And you can never again live off of anymore than the basic universal wage..... how's that sound?
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Spoiler alert, LBJ beat him on enacting this plan by several decades.
Nothing left to say; these two posts cover it all.
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:27 AM   #21
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^^^^^^^^^^^ Agreed!
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No, No, No we just don't understand, it's "Democratic" Communism. It'll be great! ;(
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No, No, No we just don't understand, it's "Democratic" Communism. It'll be great! ;(
lol I remember that guy
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:38 AM   #24
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I think what he is going for is this: many people are in the race to make ends meet, stuck doing jobs that they hate, and aren't good at, unable to pursue the jobs that they have natural giftings to do. not because they don't want to work and produce goods, but because they are stuck in a cycle of debt and cannot escape that to pursue the work that they would truly excel in, and find interesting, which would INCREASE productivity and quality since there would be passion behind their work.

I doubt he is saying we should give 10k to lazy people who don't want to do anything...

I'm all for empowering people to step into their true callings in life, it will produce far more benefits to the culture than people drudging on in their day to day monotony.

is his method the right one...i dont know.

ask yourself this question, Do I love what I do day-to-day and feel like I am helping to make the world a better place through my contributions at work?

if not - wouldn't you love the opportunity to shift into a position doing the thing you are gifted in, so you can grow and contribute to the world around you?
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I think what he is going for is this: many people are in the race to make ends meet, stuck doing jobs that they hate, and aren't good at, unable to pursue the jobs that they have natural giftings to do. not because they don't want to work and produce goods, but because they are stuck in a cycle of debt and cannot escape that to pursue the work that they would truly excel in, and find interesting, which would INCREASE productivity and quality since there would be passion behind their work.

I doubt he is saying we should give 10k to lazy people who don't want to do anything...

I'm all for empowering people to step into their true callings in life, it will produce far more benefits to the culture than people drudging on in their day to day monotony.

is his method the right one...i dont know.

ask yourself this question, Do I love what I do day-to-day and feel like I am helping to make the world a better place through my contributions at work?

if not - wouldn't you love the opportunity to shift into a position doing the thing you are gifted in, so you can grow and contribute to the world around you?
Do you sell timeshares by chance?
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Old 05-26-2017, 11:59 AM   #27
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His last name should start with an F
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His take though is that as technology advances, there could be a day where there is very little need for jobs.

A very real scenario most people do not think about.
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The idea is they would first do away with all other safety net programs - welfare, food stamps, etc. Even with that, the studies I have read say it would only be revenue neutral if there was a phase-out of the benefit at some income level, so it would not be anywhere near "Universal." Like many progressive ideas it sounds good "in theory". The extra income could free people up to pursue their dreams and what they have a passion for. In theory this could unleash all kinds of hidden genius. (maybe?)
There are multiple downsides, IMO. First of all it fundamentally changes the relationship between the citizen and the state. We already have a sizable percentage of the population that sees the government as the provider of their needs. Do we want to expand that to everybody? Like many progressive ideas the flaw is due to their misunderstanding of basic human nature. When giving the chance, many, many people will take the path of least resistance - doing the least amount of work possible to get their basic needs met. It also cheapens the value of work. Any work - no matter how humble - builds character. Being self reliant adds meaning, purpose and a sense of self worth. Living off the labor of others - whether from inheritance or welfare - often magnifies the worst aspects of human nature.
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He is just a very smart dumb ***
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I get it, if someone thought they could be a GREAT guitar player, they could spend all their time playing guitar. Only problem is, who thinks they would make a great garbage man and spend all their time dealing with garbage?
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haha, thanks for the good laugh. and no, no I do not, but i know a guy who will
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I think what he is going for is this: many people are in the race to make ends meet, stuck doing jobs that they hate, and aren't good at, unable to pursue the jobs that they have natural giftings to do. not because they don't want to work and produce goods, but because they are stuck in a cycle of debt and cannot escape that to pursue the work that they would truly excel in, and find interesting, which would INCREASE productivity and quality since there would be passion behind their work.

I doubt he is saying we should give 10k to lazy people who don't want to do anything...

I'm all for empowering people to step into their true callings in life, it will produce far more benefits to the culture than people drudging on in their day to day monotony.

is his method the right one...i dont know.

ask yourself this question, Do I love what I do day-to-day and feel like I am helping to make the world a better place through my contributions at work?

if not - wouldn't you love the opportunity to shift into a position doing the thing you are gifted in, so you can grow and contribute to the world around you?
Man, puff and pass, don't bogart the good stuff while philosophizing about wealth re-distribution.

If they mis-manage their current financial resources, giving them free money will only give them more money to mismanage. You honestly think the avaerage American is going to take 10K and pay off debt or start a business, or go buy a new 4K tv?
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haha, thanks for the good laugh. and no, no I do not, but i know a guy who will
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.” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!
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Because he is successful off of a stolen social media idea all of a sudden he knows how to rule the world. It’s funny how as soon as someone get filthy rich they figure they can tell the world what they need and what to do.
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The idea is they would first do away with all other safety net programs - welfare, food stamps, etc. Even with that, the studies I have read say it would only be revenue neutral if there was a phase-out of the benefit at some income level, so it would not be anywhere near "Universal." Like many progressive ideas it sounds good "in theory". The extra income could free people up to pursue their dreams and what they have a passion for. In theory this could unleash all kinds of hidden genius. (maybe?)
There are multiple downsides, IMO. First of all it fundamentally changes the relationship between the citizen and the state. We already have a sizable percentage of the population that sees the government as the provider of their needs. Do we want to expand that to everybody? Like many progressive ideas the flaw is due to their misunderstanding of basic human nature. When giving the chance, many, many people will take the path of least resistance - doing the least amount of work possible to get their basic needs met. It also cheapens the value of work. Any work - no matter how humble - builds character. Being self reliant adds meaning, purpose and a sense of self worth. Living off the labor of others - whether from inheritance or welfare - often magnifies the worst aspects of human nature.
This plus the massive inflation that will soon follow because of artificially flooding the system with money that isn't derived from productivity.

We need this stuff taught in grade school again. It's not hard to understand!
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I followed his premise even with the lofty social appeal. I don't believe he has thought this thru.........lol!
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Man, puff and pass, don't bogart the good stuff while philosophizing about wealth re-distribution.

If they mis-manage their current financial resources, giving them free money will only give them more money to mismanage. You honestly think the avaerage American is going to take 10K and pay off debt or start a business, or go buy a new 4K tv?
i in no way advocate for wealth distribution. instead i am presenting the idea that people should do what they are gifted in. in so doing they will produce better ideas, products, results etc...rather than grinding for 30 years, hoping to make it to retirement so they can enjoy life.

should tax payers pay for that? we already do imo. why not shift from social support to social incentive? my company pays me for school, as long as i make the grade...yet our govt hands out the money that you and i earn to people who dont work; wouldnt it be better if that same money went to someone after they produced a positive result instead of before.

and dont think you will ever get the goverment to stop the handouts, thats not reality.

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That morons speech was straight out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged" written in 1954 predicting the future... and here we are... this is just the beginning.


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.” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!
That's what I always say. If they are such beleivers in handouts they should put their money where their mouth is. I'm not too good to cash a check they send me for doing nothing.
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That morons speech was straight out of Ayn Rand's "Atlas Shrugged"
I was going there and erased my first response! Atlas has already shrugged and there is no sign of John Galt!!!
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A mix of Rand and Itiocracy
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Elon Musk is the champion of this right now, Zuck is just jumping on the bandwagon.

Read some of what Musk has written about it, not saying I'm in favor in our current economic system. His take though is that as technology advances, there could be a day where there is very little need for jobs.

He doesn't advocate that people couldn't make more, but that the potential for humans not working could be there. You could still own a factory with no employees and deliver a product.

Its a complex idea.
Yep. Currently we're in the phase where new technology is creating jobs. At some point, we'll have become advanced enough that we'll see a drastic increase in automation that will replace huge segments of the work force. Then the only jobs will be in designing and fixing robots. Then we'll make robots that can design and fix themselves. And then they'll become sentient and we'll have to send some dude back in time to get some chick pregnant so her baby can win the robot war in the future........
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I was going there and erased my first response! Atlas has already shrugged and there is no sign of John Galt!!!


Where is John Galt?


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i in no way advocate for wealth distribution. instead i am presenting the idea that people should do what they are gifted in. in so doing they will produce better ideas, products, results etc...rather than grinding for 30 years, hoping to make it to retirement so they can enjoy life.

should tax payers pay for that? we already do imo. why not shift from social support to social incentive? my company pays me for school, as long as i make the grade...yet our govt hands out the money that you and i earn to people who dont work; wouldnt it be better if that same money went to someone after they produced a positive result instead of before.

and dont think you will ever get the goverment to stop the handouts, thats not reality.
I get the concept, but reality is different. I am a decent golfer, but knew I wasn't good enough without the total commitment of time to the sport to make a living at it. So I went to college and got a degree. However, if I was paid $10k/year, maybe I would have tried making golfing a career. The reality is, no matter how much time I devoted to it, I was never going to be a PGA professional. So, under the proposed system, I would have been a golf bum living off $10k/yr trying to make a living golfing, and never have bettered myself. It's a similar scenario to your guitar player scenario. No matter how good you think you are, you may never have the talent to be exceptional enough to make a lot of money doing it
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Money must make people think they can say anything. What is $10K a year gonna buy you anyways? Make it $100K and maybe then I'll listen.
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Only thing I want to know is will this pad my retirement funds by 10K/year??
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.” A new social contract is needed, he said, that explores universal income, affordable child care and a health care system where citizens are not tied to one employer;

In other words, this billionaire elitist believes we the tax payer should be flipping the bill for more welfare! Hey Zuckerberg, how about you, Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and the rest of you Socialist idiots giving up 99% for your money to finance your welfare dreams!
these idiots have lost all sense of reality, seriously they must live in some kind of la-la land.
I guess that's what happens when you have more money than God.
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Old 05-27-2017, 08:06 PM   #50
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Only thing I want to know is will this pad my retirement funds by 10K/year??
Doubt it. You have money you probably won't get the check. Plus inflation will eat into your savings.

Hard to imagine someone stupid enough to think we can just give all stupid people free money and those stupid people will then not be lazy but instead be productive. Wow!

Why not just make it 1 million so we can all be millionaires?
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