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Old 09-17-2019, 07:13 AM   #1
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At what point are these folks going to be happy?
Should they all make 200k and have all healthcare paid for? Lord knows it's unfair they have to contribute to their healthcare.
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Itís not the people I donít think. Itís the greed of the Union bosses. GM has come back strong and the Union wants a bigger slice of it.

I often wonder how far these go before GM simply says youíre all fired, and hire all new people. Turn it into a real sheeeeet show, full of scabs and never permit a Union to organize within again.


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It takes a lot of money donating to the Democrat party!
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Itís not the people I donít think. Itís the greed of the Union bosses. GM has come back strong and the Union wants a bigger slice of it.

I often wonder how far these go before GM simply says youíre all fired, and hire all new people. Turn it into a real sheeeeet show, full of scabs and never permit a Union to organize within again.


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I wish that would happen everytime a union of any kind strikes. Give them 30 days to get back to work or hit the road. Those employees at GM ain't hurting for money and the whole " better working conditions " might play in China but the conditions are pretty **** good here.
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I wish that would happen everytime a union of any kind strikes. Give them 30 days to get back to work or hit the road. Those employees at GM ain't hurting for money and the whole " better working conditions " might play in China but the conditions are pretty **** good here.


I agree. I also think the Union big wigs are doing this to play Trump. The know Trump wants business done in America. GM can simply cross over to Mexico or Canada and have no Union issues.

Trump risked life and limb selling out so Made in USA would be relevant again. Unionbosses know this. They want something out of it.


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Good point Mike, but they had better wait until GM actually increases the jobs here on this side of the border first... They start this crap now, GM will just stay in Mexico or build more facilities in Mexico and shrink their US presence... They're gonna have to get up pretty early to beat Trump at HIS game. He's pretty good at it...
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20 years with GM and you can retire a millionaire...EASILY
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Really? Please explain.
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If it weren't for the unions the new 2020 C2500HD Duramax would cost only $35k instead of $70K. Fire all their azzes! There's plenty of people that would jump all over $25 hr to work an assembly line and get 2 weeks paid vac. a year and a 401k.
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20 years with GM and you can retire a millionaire...EASILY
20 years at any decent company you can be a millionaire.

I've got news for you, a million dollars ain't what it used to be, I sure wouldn't try to retire on only a million.
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Really? Please explain.


$100k per year at 20 years is $2 million; net of course. By the time you pay taxes and union dues you should still easily clear $1 million.

Not to mention retirement benefits.


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$100k per year at 20 years is $2 million; net of course. By the time you pay taxes and union dues you should still easily clear $1 million.

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This is true but after living expenses and keeping that million dollars liquid in an account after twenty years is another story. Or the way I interpret it anyhow.
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20 years at any decent company you can be a millionaire.

I've got news for you, a million dollars ain't what it used to be, I sure wouldn't try to retire on only a million.
Also true but it depends on how you have taken care of business, your age, benefits you retire with etc. Just my 2 cents and thatís all itís worth.
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Saw a clip of a news report this morning where the commentator asked the reporter on scene how much the average GM salary is.
He replied salary and other compensation combined to make it $ 63.00 and hr.
Ford was 61, and others like Toyota were in th neighborhood of 53 per hr.
So these ingrates make more than other in comparison and still striking..Pizz off
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Cant imagine why the tax payers had to bail them out.
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This is true but after living expenses and keeping that million dollars liquid in an account after twenty years is another story. Or the way I interpret it anyhow.


I donít disagree. If you spend all of it keeping up with the Jonesís, itís not hard to spend it all. I was just trying to show itís really not that hard to make a million these days.

And that doesnít factor in retirement/pension.


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Cant imagine why the tax payers had to bail them out.
And ****ed well better not have to again.
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I donít disagree. If you spend all of it keeping up with the Jonesís, itís not hard to spend it all. I was just trying to show itís really not that hard to make a million these days.

And that doesnít factor in retirement/pension.


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Saw a clip of a news report this morning where the commentator asked the reporter on scene how much the average GM salary is.
He replied salary and other compensation combined to make it $ 63.00 and hr.
Ford was 61, and others like Toyota were in th neighborhood of 53 per hr.
So these ingrates make more than other in comparison and still striking..Pizz off
I'm highly skeptical of that figure. That's a compensation package of 131K / year without overtime.

Glassdoor/indeed show very few (in the plants) making even half that figure as a base.

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If it weren't for the unions the new 2020 C2500HD Duramax would cost only $35k instead of $70K. Fire all their azzes! There's plenty of people that would jump all over $25 hr to work an assembly line and get 2 weeks paid vac. a year and a 401k.
But but but, skilled labor isnt cheap and cheap labor isnt skilled.........




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Saw a clip of a news report this morning where the commentator asked the reporter on scene how much the average GM salary is.
He replied salary and other compensation combined to make it $ 63.00 and hr.
Ford was 61, and others like Toyota were in th neighborhood of 53 per hr.
So these ingrates make more than other in comparison and still striking..Pizz off
I work for Toyota Manufacturing here in Texas and we do not make $53 a hour!!!
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It's total compensation, add benefits to pay is where the $63 per hour comes from.
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It's total compensation, add benefits to pay is where the $63 per hour comes from.
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Old 09-20-2019, 07:16 AM   #24
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The unions started out as a good thing for workers but like all things that deal with money they slowly got corrupt and now is a scam. In my early 20’s I worked for the union and there was talk of a strike, there motto was “it’s better to sit the bench then work for less the union was going to take care of you”........ I found another job quickly.
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It's total compensation, add benefits to pay is where the $63 per hour comes from.
My full employer paid benefits (health, dental, eye, life, 10% 401K match, etc) is equivalent to me receiving an additional $9/hr (for 40 hrs a week).


So that would make the GM workers base salary still $112K. If that's average, then it's one of the highest paying companies in the US.
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GM can simply cross over to Mexico or Canada and have no Union issues.

Oh man Mike, there were constant 'sindicato' issues that we maquilas dealt with in my 15 years in Reynosa. The entire direct labor force fell under three primary unions...then you had Mexico's basic labor laws on top of that which was another wrench thrown into the work sometimes. There were lots of Mexican employees that made a hobby of getting fired every year because of the package the US company is forced to pay him/her when you let them go. Gotta have a lotta ammo to fight & win these cases so the majority just pay up. Labor is cheaper but payroll is way more complicated.

I really can't imagine it not being union in Canada either?? The auto industry is huge up there & to not be union in Canada which is kinda following Europe's model??

Anyway, I don't think there are any easy answers for GM....
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The know Trump wants business done in America. GM can simply cross over to Mexico or Canada and have no Union issues.

Trump risked life and limb selling out so Made in USA would be relevant again. Unionbosses know this. They want something out of it.


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So why is so much of Trump's stuff made outside of the USA?
He could easily have this stuff made in America.
Check American Apparel and check Fashion Nova who is doing it in 2019
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If it weren't for the unions the new 2020 C2500HD Duramax would cost only $35k instead of $70K. Fire all their azzes! There's plenty of people that would jump all over $25 hr to work an assembly line and get 2 weeks paid vac. a year and a 401k.
So you want someone else to earn less so you can buy a cheaper vehicle?
I guess I want all those in the oil patch to make less so I can pay $1.50 a gallon for Premium.
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So you want someone else to earn less so you can buy a cheaper vehicle?

I guess I want all those in the oil patch to make less so I can pay $1.50 a gallon for Premium.


Frankly yes certain jobs are worth X dollars they are making well over that for their job.

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies who already make way more than their trade should. I donít blame them they have a con going on and are milking it for all itís worth. But I donít think they should make way less for what they do. The cost of a vehicle has become laughable. If everyone acted like these babies nobody could afford to live here.

I also think gas is to high 10-15 years ago I was paying .50/gal for diesel now 2.83 thatís a stupid jump.
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Frankly yes certain jobs are worth X dollars they are making well over that for their job.

I have never seen a bigger bunch of cry babies who already make way more than their trade should. I donít blame them they have a con going on and are milking it for all itís worth. But I donít think they should make way less for what they do. The cost of a vehicle has become laughable. If everyone acted like these babies nobody could afford to live here.

I also think gas is to high 10-15 years ago I was paying .50/gal for diesel now 2.83 thatís a stupid jump.
I have been driving diesels since 92. I have never paid .50 cents a gallon for diesel. I believe you are remembering the 80s.
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I also think gas is to high 10-15 years ago I was paying .50/gal for diesel now 2.83 thatís a stupid jump.
Might want to rethink your timeline. Gas/Diesel hasn't been $0.50/gal since the 70's. And adjusted for inflation, it would have been equivalent to about $2.50 in today's dollars.

10-15 years ago you were paying almost exactly the same amount as today when you adjust for inflation. Don't blame gas for inflation.
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So why is so much of Trump's stuff made outside of the USA?

He could easily have this stuff made in America.

Check American Apparel and check Fashion Nova who is doing it in 2019




Heís on record as saying his red MAGA hats werenít even close to being competitive price wise.

Price being important because you need volume sales so people buy and wear.

I do think alot of Trump wear might be now made in USA on account of him relaxing regulations on companies.


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Heís on record as saying his red MAGA hats werenít even close to being competitive price wise.

Price being important because you need volume sales so people buy and wear.

I do think alot of Trump wear might be now made in USA on account of him relaxing regulations on companies.


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Fashion Nova sells some of the cheapest women clothes ever
Most produced right here in USA (Los Angeles garment district to be exact)
Check out his biz model
It's insane
But very profitable

I still don't understand why ALLLL of his products aren't made in the USA if he's supposed to be championing the cause.

I was taught to not lead where I won't go.
But that's par for the course with him sending folks into war but he dodged war zones himself.
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What did their union do with all the money they got from selling the GM stock given to them by the government GM Buyout?
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Fashion Nova sells some of the cheapest women clothes ever

Most produced right here in USA (Los Angeles garment district to be exact)

Check out his biz model

It's insane

But very profitable



I still don't understand why ALLLL of his products aren't made in the USA if he's supposed to be championing the cause.



I was taught to not lead where I won't go.

But that's par for the course with him sending folks into war but he dodged war zones himself.


I think youíre overzealous.

Show me where Trump has sent our kids to war ? He in fact is and was acursed by Mad Dog Mattis for pulling our kids OUT of war.

Trump has resisted war moreso than any potus excluding Billy Clinton, in my lifetime.

Are you certain the Republicans Trump wear are made in China ? I heard USA now ? Or atleast portions are ?


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Mikerosa,
You love you some Trump don’t you.
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What did their union do with all the money they got from selling the GM stock given to them by the government GM Buyout?
I dont know but if they fired all these ingrates I'd go buy a new chevy truck that day.
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What did their union do with all the money they got from selling the GM stock given to them by the government GM Buyout?
Under the guidance of Obomo, they took the money and updated their facilities to build ugly, un-reliable cars that nobody wanted to buy. And it's Trumps fault!
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Under the guidance of Obomo, they took the money and updated their facilities to build ugly, un-reliable cars that nobody wanted to buy. And it's Trumps fault!
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Why are you boys driving so many union made trucks if you hate them so bad? Go snatch you up a made in Tejas toyo if you want a non-union ride. It really is not that difficult ya know.

Just like your football threads. Hate on the union represented players and watch every minute of the game.
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Why are you boys driving so many union made trucks if you hate them so bad? Go snatch you up a made in Tejas toyo if you want a non-union ride. It really is not that difficult ya know.

Just like your football threads. Hate on the union represented players and watch every minute of the game.
The only problem I have with unions is that they most all support and donate to the democrats.

Do the union members not have a voice in who they want to support? Ever?
It has nothing to do with the workers. I got plenty on friends that are in unions.

My truck was made in mexico!
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I cant wait until the ingrates are replaced by automation. Just keep forcing the employers to kiss your boots and one day...the employers will be done with the employees.
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Yep!!!

Over the years, I had been in 2 different unions. The leaders would PREACH vote Dem.
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Just like your football threads. Hate on the union represented players and watch every minute of the game.
When I was a member of the IAFF the NFL player's union wanted us to walk their picket line. Guess how that went?


As an aside, the GM union members average a compensation package of $131,000 per year. That is for an unskilled high school graduate. That is ridiculous.
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When I was a member of the IAFF the NFL player's union wanted us to walk their picket line. Guess how that went?





As an aside, the GM union members average a compensation package of $131,000 per year. That is for an unskilled high school graduate. That is ridiculous.
I though only unions produce (skilled) workers?

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When I was a member of the IAFF the NFL player's union wanted us to walk their picket line. Guess how that went?


As an aside, the GM union members average a compensation package of $131,000 per year. That is for an unskilled high school graduate. That is ridiculous.
Hell, they probably would not walk their own line with that weak arse union.
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