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Old 02-23-2018, 11:15 AM   #1
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Default Accidental Hamon

Got one today by accident and design. Differential edge quenched the Infadel blade in brine super quench and boom. When I cleaned the blade up to go in the oven it had one thru and thru.
I might have to drop this one into the FC for a minute or two. Hoping the tempering cycles don't make it disappear. Love this W2 steel. It always hardens so perfect.
The other W2 blade will get a trip into the forge this afternoon. Hope it turns out the same.
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Old 02-23-2018, 12:49 PM   #2
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Cool! Always a nice surprise.
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Old 02-23-2018, 06:26 PM   #3
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Pretty cool.
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Old 02-24-2018, 07:45 AM   #4
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Second blade turned out similar but with more martensite from the edge and point up to the recasso and spine. Tempered both blades @ 400 for two 2 hour cycles and the line is still there. Guess I will forgo polishing to a mirror finish and maybe do a forced patina and hand buff with 0000 wool.
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Old 02-24-2018, 07:54 AM   #5
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These were quenched naked without any clay but this is the first time I have done the differential edge quench. I did have the brine at about 140 deg and when the blade edge touched the quench nothing happened for a few seconds before it sizzled and squealed. I immediately pulled the blade and re-dunked about 1 second later and repeated 3 more times at 1-2 second intervals until no more boiling around the blade. Sanded the still warm blade with 800 grit and took picture then into the oven. No cracks no warping.
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Old 02-24-2018, 08:06 AM   #6
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Very nice that is a sweet hamon


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Old 02-24-2018, 02:18 PM   #7
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Both blades and after Ferric acid dip on the first one(bottom).
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Old 02-24-2018, 07:34 PM   #8
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Still looks pretty good man!


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Old 02-24-2018, 09:21 PM   #9
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I quench everything in my brine mixture, I have oil but I don't use it anymore. Out of about 500 knives, I warped one a few weeks ago, it was a long thing blade. I broke it in half to check out if I had any grain growth. I do that occasionally just to make sure everything inside is as good as it looks on the outside. .. I test every blade before putting handles on by chopping whitetail antlers.
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Old 02-25-2018, 07:15 AM   #10
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Huh?
Can you explain what it is we are see?
I assume it has something to to with the coloring?


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Old 02-25-2018, 07:54 AM   #11
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Huh?
Can you explain what it is we are see?
I assume it has something to to with the coloring?


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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamon_(swordsmithing)


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Old 02-25-2018, 07:56 AM   #12
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http://www.blademag.com/knifemaking/...re-why-and-how


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Old 02-25-2018, 01:32 PM   #13
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I see said the blind man.
Very interesting. Thank you.

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Old 02-26-2018, 08:46 PM   #14
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Seems every W2 steel blade I quench in the brine will have some sort of hamon in it even though I don't use any clay. To see the hamon takes some time with hand sanding and lots of rubbing with 0000 wool. Even if I polish the blade on the buffer it is still there ever so slightly. Now that I know what it is I just quit trying to polish it out After I started doing a differential edge quench it became more pronounced. One of these days I will try me some clay and see what happens. The learning curve on this stuff is YUGE!
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Old 02-27-2018, 06:00 AM   #15
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To cut the chase a hamon is developed only when the steel is quenched at different temperatures, most are attained using clay on the spine of the knife so it doesn't reach critical temperature thus creating temper lines and pronounced with etched.
The intention of a hamon is for larger to flex while maintaining a harder cutting edge. It servers no purpose on blade not intended for chopping or required to flex for best performance. Some of us knife makers do it simply for aesthetics, I do it by edge quenching for about two seconds in my brine mixture then doing a full plunge. I've done it for customers that request it.
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Old 02-28-2018, 02:38 PM   #16
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That is pretty cool...Learn new things here at TBH daily
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Old 03-29-2018, 02:53 PM   #17
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Well this one was no accident. I mixed some ash from my smoker and some satanite refractory cement and coated the backbone and thinned it toward the edge. Never expected to get this good of a line on the 1095 steel but I'll take it.
About 15 minutes in ferric chloride and a few minutes with 0000 wool brought out the color real nice. Don't quite know what to call this blade but it should cut and skin pretty good with the 6" edge.
Lots of fun learning this stuff and I have two more DP skinner blades in the tempering oven right now for the first cycle. One is W2 and the other is the good 1095 I got from New Jersey Steel baron. Can't hardly wait till they done and I can see what I get.
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Old 03-30-2018, 03:36 PM   #18
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Looks good man. That 1095 put out a really good hamon usually.


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Old 03-30-2018, 03:52 PM   #19
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My Cajun fren say hamon ober heah, I wan show you 3 or 2 tings.

I think I got this hamon thing down pretty good now. Time to go back to straight quenching and not wasting time. I'm still learning every day and am about to start heating my forge really hot and pound on some 1084/15n20/1095 for some layer billets. I've done steel cable way back about 40 years ago so I have a feel for how to heat and weld.
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Old 03-31-2018, 08:41 AM   #20
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Cool stuff!
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