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Old 04-08-2018, 04:35 PM   #1
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Default Couple lease rules being questioned.

1st of all the guest rule. We have the rule immediate family....one member interprets this rule as your father, mother, brother, sister, wife and kids. My opinion is family members that live with you.

2nd he wants to split a membership....his dad and another members dad want to split a membership. Never have had this come up before but my opinion is if we split their membership that's like adding a member at half price. Everyone was on the same page at keeping it at 12 members and no more then they come up with this when I said no guest outside the family that lives in your house.

What are yalls opinions on these rules?

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Old 04-08-2018, 04:36 PM   #2
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As long as everybody agrees on whatever your lease rules are, they're good rules.
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:37 PM   #3
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Sounds like he needs to find another lease. It starts with just those rules...bend a little and it will be a lot more rules broken in the future.
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:43 PM   #4
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no split memberships,, family means in the house
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:47 PM   #5
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I wouldnít do a split membership. Our lease specifies different rules for family living under our roof, and other guests.
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:48 PM   #6
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1/2 membership .
Same amount of stands .
If each member is aloud 2 stands then it's 2 stands not 4.
Same allotment of animals
Did you define what immediate family members meant?


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Old 04-08-2018, 04:53 PM   #7
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1/2 membership .
Same amount of stands .
If each member is aloud 2 stands then it's 2 stands not 4.
Same allotment of animals
Did you define what immediate family members meant?


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Once we defined living under your roof the split membership came up. Honestly I would split 1 with my dad and do 1 trophy and 2 does each, we don't have designated areas, still be able to hunt the 14 club feeder/stands for half the price. I mean it's not like I would ever shoot my 2 trophies allowed now anyway so basically me and dad split a spot and get all the same benefits at half the cost. Just doesn't seem legit to me.

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Old 04-08-2018, 04:57 PM   #8
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If we allow split members we should just go to 24 members at 900 per gun and a allotment of 1 buck 2 doe.

What we have now is 12 members 1800 per gun. 2 buck 4 doe.

We have 14 club spots. There is plenty of room to hunt your own scouted areas in between any of those spots, worked out well last year. All club spots have feeders feeding year around that are paid for with your dues.

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Old 04-08-2018, 04:58 PM   #9
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Nope Keep it Simple. I wouldn't split it
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Old 04-08-2018, 04:59 PM   #10
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More members = more conflict, always.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:00 PM   #11
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Once we defined living under your roof the split membership came up. Honestly I would split 1 with my dad and do 1 trophy and 2 does each, we don't have designated areas, still be able to hunt the 14 club feeder/stands for half the price. I mean it's not like I would ever shoot my 2 trophies allowed now anyway so basically me and dad split a spot and get all the same benefits at half the cost. Just doesn't seem legit to me.

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I know some clubs do it. I guess it's all on how you look at it,and what the other members think about. That is what the biggest concern should be. But like others have said once you start bending rules where do you stop?

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:01 PM   #12
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We tried the half membership one year with two unrelated guys and it was nothing but a headache. I would not allow that at all.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:02 PM   #13
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No splitting memberships...One has his name on the lease, is responsible and all others accompanies are always considered guest of said member who is officially on the lease.

Like stated, you can double membership...what's next?? Splitting it 4 ways & they all get keys??
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:02 PM   #14
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Sounds like he needs to find another lease. It starts with just those rules...bend a little and it will be a lot more rules broken in the future.
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Immediate family is your wife and kids and I wouldnít let anyone split
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:06 PM   #15
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Sounds like he can’t afford the lease
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:07 PM   #16
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Cut him loose, it will save you a world of headache later.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:10 PM   #17
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Sounds like he canít afford the lease
He wants to pay for his dad spot to split with another guy. These guys have plenty of cash. That's what I don't understand he wants less members but then wants to split this spot to benefit his dad I guess.

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:11 PM   #18
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We have immediate family members living at home, i.e. wife, kids under 18...no split memberships...family members only..
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:16 PM   #19
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1st of all the guest rule. We have the rule immediate family....one member interprets this rule as your father, mother, brother, sister, wife and kids. My opinion is family members that live with you.

2nd he wants to split a membership....his dad and another members dad want to split a membership. Never have had this come up before but my opinion is if we split their membership that's like adding a member at half price. Everyone was on the same page at keeping it at 12 members and no more then they come up with this when I said no guest outside the family that lives in your house.

What are yalls opinions on these rules?

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Kick him off and Iíll take his spot and it will just be me and my fiancť.

Easy enough and everyone stays happy.

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:17 PM   #20
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Rule 1- Seems fine with parents, siblings, and kids

Rule 2- No go unless you want to add more rules clarifying how to handle a two member spot with trophies and more guest and everything.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:20 PM   #21
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Kick him off and Iíll take his spot and it will just be me and my fiancť.

Easy enough and everyone stays happy.

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Itís for immediate family, youíll need two spots


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Old 04-08-2018, 05:23 PM   #22
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:23 PM   #23
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Haha come on man I'm not trying to be like that!

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:23 PM   #24
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You are exactly right on the splitting question. Letting people "split"memberships is almost never a good idea.

Family is whatever everyone agrees on. Most of the guys on my lease have older sons so we still treat them as family but they still are on their dad's bag limit and members have priority on stands. Just needs to be crystal clear and in writing so everyone plays by the same rules and agree to follow them.

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:31 PM   #25
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No split and my opinion is no guests during hunting season.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:32 PM   #26
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You are exactly right on the splitting question. Letting people "split"memberships is almost never a good idea.

Family is whatever everyone agrees on. Most of the guys on my lease have older sons so we still treat them as family but they still are on their dad's bag limit and members have priority on stands. Just needs to be crystal clear and in writing so everyone plays by the same rules and agree to follow them.
I really have no problem with bringing your kids any age, I know how hard it is for a young man in his 20's to afford to hunt. But bringing your mom dad, brothers or sisters I don't feel is right. And to create a split membership to circumvent the guest rule I don't like it either.

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:32 PM   #27
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:42 PM   #28
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A lease is a legal document. The entire point of a written legal document is that the words on that paper are all that’s agreed-upon. Sounds to me like you need to draft a better lease agreement. Define immediate family and explicitly exclude splitting of membership.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:46 PM   #29
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Haha come on man I'm not trying to be like that!

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Old 04-08-2018, 05:54 PM   #30
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1. Immediate family only meaning living under the roof and 18 or under.
2. Absolutely no splitting memberships.
My experience if you are lenient on the rules now, later you will have to be the bad person when you have to reinforce them. Problems such as these is the reason I will never again manage a lease but only be a member.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:54 PM   #31
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No worries here. I just wanted to make sure to let the op know that Iíd be following the rules!


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Old 04-08-2018, 05:57 PM   #32
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The only opinions that really matter are that of the current lease members...but since you asked...I've always preferred a lax guest policy that encourages family members to spend time outdoors together, whether it's father / daughter, siblings, spouse, ect.
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Old 04-08-2018, 05:58 PM   #33
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Sounds like he needs to find another lease. It starts with just those rules...bend a little and it will be a lot more rules broken in the future.
Yep. Im not specifically for or against it either way, but I have found people that start questioning and nitpicking rules become a pain in the rear. Who needs a pain in the rear at the lease? Maybe a longer term member wants to talk about things, ok, we can talk. New guy questioning? Hmmmm
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:05 PM   #34
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Our membership covers 1 trophy buck and however many culls need to be shot that year. If you want your friend or family member to shoot that trophy buck then that's fine. Friends and family of the member can shoot a cull if all of the other members are ok with it.

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Old 04-08-2018, 06:09 PM   #35
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Cut him loose, it will save you a world of headache later.
Agreed....been on a lease that was great and turned into a nightmare due to a member pulling this same type of BS plus more! Get rid of him and fill it with someone who can live by the rules.

SOOOOOOO thankful there are just a few on our lease, all of us are friends/family and NONE of us are afraid to challenge if abuse of lease rules come up.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:11 PM   #36
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sounds like you got your answer from all of the above - direct family on our lease is direct family - dad mom brother sister wife kids grandkids

NEVER allow split memberships - if you want to play you gotta pay - that only leads to problems -

Having manged a lease for 11 years I learned that if you present a member the rules and they start asking for exceptions you will regret ever having that member on your lease - it only leads to problems

and I agree with others - if he pushes it kindly invite him to find another lease
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:12 PM   #37
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Immediate family is your wife and kids and I wouldnít let anyone split
This^^^^^^^but if his dad is a good camp cook and is physically fit enough to do work then he would be more than welcome.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:13 PM   #38
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:32 PM   #39
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Saying yes to that opens so many more doors. To start with, 2 more bodies around camp. Then what happens when they want to bring a guest. What happens opening morning when they’re in different stands and both see the biggest buck they’ve ever seen?
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:42 PM   #40
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OP, maybe I missed it but if you don't have written rules, you Need to...

Also very important to have Someone in charge with the final say on Everything.
We have 3 on our lease, The Committee, who have the Final word.
On our ranch NO guest may hunt at any time. Period.....
We work too hard managing these Dang things to have someone come in and make a MISTAKE..
Immediate family, Wife/Girlfriend, Children, As long as they are in school,
hunt off the paying hunters tags. Children under sixteen MUST be accompanied by a paying hunter, Not necessarily the parent.
These aren't the only rules but they do work well....

Don't start bending your rules or it will be out of hand and you will have some angry hunters...
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:54 PM   #41
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I really have no problem with bringing your kids any age, I know how hard it is for a young man in his 20's to afford to hunt. But bringing your mom dad, brothers or sisters I don't feel is right. And to create a split membership to circumvent the guest rule I don't like it either.

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Old 04-08-2018, 06:57 PM   #42
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Don't split memberships IMO. Been on a lease that did that and it was always the "1/2 guys" that were the problem.
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Old 04-08-2018, 06:58 PM   #43
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Rule# 1- ok as long as parents, uncles donít camp out all season long. Have to be accompanied and shoot off the original quota allowed

Rule 2- If we can split two ways why not 3 ways or 4 ways
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Old 04-08-2018, 07:30 PM   #44
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Had split hunter 1 time. The father would not follow ruled.
It was an easy out for me. I took stands and feeders to gate on the Monday after season ended.
Had a guy question my rules the first time I met him. Thanked him for his time.
My land my rules.
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Old 04-08-2018, 07:33 PM   #45
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The only opinions that really matter are that of the current lease members...but since you asked...I've always preferred a lax guest policy that encourages family members to spend time outdoors together, whether it's father / daughter, siblings, spouse, ect.
I agree with this with a few exceptions. IMO only paid hunters should be allowed during actual deer season, or at least opening day through Thanksgiving. After Thanksgiving, total guests numbers should be limited (even family) and approved by lease manager prior to trip. Our camp would be a madhouse if each of our 13 lease members brought their entire family all at the same time.

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Old 04-08-2018, 07:37 PM   #46
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Cut him/them loose. Too many good people to have on to deal with those issues.
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Old 04-08-2018, 08:02 PM   #47
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If they are splitting then they only get the one trophy but the problem is there is 2 people so the chances of atleast one of them being able to hunt that one deer one a given day doubles so more than likely they will be having more hunting time to get a deer which could cause issues with guys that donít have as much hunting time and are after the same deer sorry about the lack of punctuation but Iím sure yíall get the idea


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Old 04-08-2018, 08:31 PM   #48
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Cut him loose. He will be nothing but problems.
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Old 04-08-2018, 08:34 PM   #49
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Here's a different angle. I would have a family rule. The family member can only hunt in the same blind as the member.
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Old 04-08-2018, 08:42 PM   #50
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