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Old 09-05-2019, 11:55 AM   #1
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Default Entry Level Long Range Optic?

I just purchased a Ruger American 6.5 Creedmoor and putting a Boyd Thumbhole on it.

Hoping to start doing some long range target shooting out to 700-800 yards on our deer lease.

What is an entry level long range scope with adjustable turrets and possibly an IOS APP that is designed for the brand of scope?

Preferably 44mm-50mm and up to 24x or larger.

Kicker is - trying to keep it under $600 with scope and rings...

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Old 09-05-2019, 01:01 PM   #2
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Bushnell Nitro and Vortex Viper lines are in your price range
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Vortex Viper PST FFP Gen 1 6-24x with EBR-2C reticle served me well out to a mile on my 260 and 300WM
I think they are around $550 new.
Yep: https://www.eurooptic.com/vortex-vip...43128-new.aspx
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Check out the Athlon Talos BTR. It's not the 24x power, but it is super clear. I have it on my AR10 and ring steel at 600 consistently and it could definitely go further. You may be able to bump up to the Athlon Ares for about $900.

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I’ve never heard anything bad about the SWFA fixed-power scopes
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Look for a used Burris XTR II with SCR reticle or Viper PST. Personally I’d take the Burris first every day of the week, and twice on Sunday. If you can find a PST II in your budget then that would be my first choice.
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Athlon Midas TAC is in your range at $450 and a very nice scope. Athlon Ares BTR mil scopes were on sale for $489, thats down from $800. I've had several Athlons and still have a couple. Very good for the money.
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ive got a barska 6-24x50 thats never been mounted that ill sell.. if you wanna get your feet wet with the high magnification without dropping serious coin

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Old 09-05-2019, 03:43 PM   #11
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I bought the same gun and went with a Nikon Black FX 1000 in 6x24.50 MOA. Picked it up at Cabelas for $650 I think. I have only sighted the gun in but the glass is very clear.
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Old 09-05-2019, 03:46 PM   #12
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i have a Athlon Ares BTR 4.5-27x50 that i like. The turrets are soft but seem to track well. I think Midway has it on sale for $424.99

I also have a Vortex Strike Eagle 3-18 also that i like. they make that one in 4-24 as well.
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Old 09-05-2019, 04:03 PM   #13
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All above mentioned scopes are worth considering. Hate to add another choice to have to choose from but my FFL guy turned me on to these when my new 264 win mag came in. It is a US Veteran owned company, has a great warranty, HD glass, FFP, great magnification range, the turrets track really well, Ö.so far it has been a great surprise and an awesome optic

https://www.ritonoptics.com/product/...6-24x50ir-ffp/
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I’ve had good luck with vortex optics used a few vipers and crossfires with success from 0-1300 yards. I’ve also been playing with primary arms optics and they aren’t as nice as the vortex but they were cheap and good enough to buy 3 of them, I have used them out to 750 yards.
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Check out the Athlon and the Arken scopes. There is a gunsmith here that deals in them and seems to be very impressed with the quality. They have all the bells and whistles without the price tag.
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Can some explain ďturret trackingĒ Iím unfamiliar with that term??


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Basically if you move the the turret 8 clicks up it moves straight up while still aiming dead center. 8 clicks right and then you are directly to the right. Etc until you shoot a box around the bullseye.

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Old 09-05-2019, 07:48 PM   #18
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Default Entry Level Long Range Optic?

Meopta has a new line coming out. Itís the
Optika 6 and probably has something in your budget or just over.



$649.95 up to $799.95 in this power. FFP and SFP also illuminated or non.





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https://www.swfa.com/swfa-ss-3-15x42....html?___SID=U

Bar none the most reliable "cheap optic around"
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I'd go swfa. I think you get a lot of scope for the price as you give up variable zoom

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Basically if you move the the turret 8 clicks up it moves straight up while still aiming dead center. 8 clicks right and then you are directly to the right. Etc until you shoot a box around the bullseye.

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Itís a bit more complicated than that. Youíre wanting the point of aim to move a specific distance. If you dial 1.8 mils, then you want your point of aim to move exactly 1.8 mils. Your point of aim can move perfectly level when dialing windage, but if you dial .7 MILS and the scope moves .4 then it still does you no good. Tracking is moving the correct distance repeatedly from zero and back to zero many times over the life of the optic.
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I put a Sightron SIII 8-32X on my F Class 243. I’ve shot it out to 1000yds. It tracks very well from a 100yd zero up to 1000 and everything in between. Don’t think you can beat it for money. Check reviews on the Sightron SIII.

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I have ZERO knowledge of this scope. Just read your post, and, when I went to gundeals, this popped up;

https://gun.deals/product/athlon-opt...lluminated-a-1
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Saw this you may be interested in but you may browse the site, lots of deals on that page

https://www.eurooptic.com/Vortex-Str...e-SE-1627.aspx
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Any benefit to the lighted reticle?

Ive never looked through a nicer glass like these with lighted reticle.

The cheaper scopes with them Iím not a fan of

Who likes them and hates them?
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Also what reticle is best for long range?

MIL

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I know it isn't the magnification range you are looking for but this is an absolute smoking deal on a really great piece of glass. I own one of them, and one of the 4.5-18 versions as well. Dead on tracking, zero stop, 10 mil/.rev, locking windage. Really nice glass in them too. He has them for $699, if you go to Euro Optic or Optics Planet they are selling them for $1300.

https://cameralandny.com/shop/bushne...5&query=ET3124

He also has the FDE version same price.
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Also what reticle is best for long range?

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For most people MOA is easier to do the math but you typically dial less turns with MIL.


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If your doing "math" in long range shooting your doing something wrong. You should NOT be converting your angular measuments to linear distance no point.

I guess if your doing range estimation with the reticle then sure, but that is HIGHLY inaccurate most of the time especially with newer shooter..


To the OP... It truly doesn't matter they do the same thing, that said. If you want to do comps, I would suggest MIL, it's more universally spoken. Just make sure your reticle and turrets match and pick a reticle your eye likes... That Says Stick1 calls me a communist every time. I pull out my scope haha

Like I said B4 that 3-15 swfa is BULLETPROOF and punches way above it's price range. With shimms you can add a zero stop as well

Edit... AVOID BDC RETICLES... They aren't accurate and do badly what a real moa or mil reticle do well

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Any benefit to the lighted reticle?

Ive never looked through a nicer glass like these with lighted reticle.

The cheaper scopes with them Iím not a fan of

Who likes them and hates them?
The athlon ETR has the best light I've seen, no bleed at all... That said... I don't really see the point, I never use it
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Buy once, cry once has always been my motto. However, I would recommend a Leupold 4.5-14 with the CDS dial and that will be all the scope you need, now or 20 years from now.
You don't need to spend $1500 plus on a scope but you need to spend more than $200. With your budget I think you can get where you need to be and not ever feel like you need to upgrade from an entry level to something more expensive.
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:03 PM   #32
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Like your thinking. I just bought an 6.5 Grendel AR upper and a Leupold MarkIV 4.5x14 for a friend of mine to get him started. The scope was $750 with shipping which I thought wasn't bad. With that you get is a pretty well proven scope with a great warranty. It should last his lifetime.
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Old 09-06-2019, 05:57 PM   #33
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If you are looking for a true LR scope in that price-range, you aren't going to find many solid options and I'd probably take Leupold out of your consideration set. Your budget is putting you right under some good options though, and adding a couple hundred bucks or going used will get you to a better place. If the scope won't do what its supposed to do, then the rifle won't be able to do what its supposed to do and if the rifle won't do what its supposed to do, then you can't do what your supposed to do. This stuff is supposed to be fun, but the fun stops quickly when a piece of equipment hinders your success.

You don't have to spend anywhere near 2K on glass, but repeatability and dependability usually start just North of $800 if you choose carefully. IMO, your primary requirement for an entry level LR scope should be consistent tracking first and foremost with a useable reticle coming in a close second. Glass doesn't need to be exceptional, just good enough to get the job done. A zero stop is nice, but the rest is just window dressing on entry level models. You'll see a lot of scopes in your stated budget that seem to have it all and then some, but they'll usually fall short on requirement #1.

The Bushnell mentioned above has a proven track record. Knowing Meopta, their new scopes also mentioned will probably be solid as well. The Vortex Gen 2 PST seems to be a popular choice in that range as well as the Burris offering. All are going to be just slightly above your budget, though. I'm sure there are several others in that range I can't think of right now. The only one that comes to mind that ABSOLUTELY TRACKS in the under $600 range is the SWFA 3-15........but it is SFP. The Athlon ARES BTR is well under your budget right now and has proven to be a serviceable option as an entry level scope that actually does have a big feature set. Proving that sometimes spending more doesn't get you more. Along those same lines..............

I just spent the morning behind six brand new Leupold VX5-HD scopes. I think I walked away with a better understanding of why we hear so many different viewpoints on quality now. They were literally ALL DIFFERENT! They ranged from pretty nice to almost falling apart right out of the box. I didn't have the time or desire to do any formal tracking tests, but 2 were obviously off by some degree, and one was a flat out joke. To be fair, that one had a parallax knob that clicked with rotation along with the image changing size while adjusting it(that's a new one on me), and the windage knob had enough slop it looked like it was trying to come off. Another had a significant reticle shift when changing power. The other 2 seemed to be acting like they should, but I wonder if they would pass a tall target test based on all the other observations? So, a 60% failure rate would be hard to recommend to someone at that price point. Question for the Leupold guys - are the product lines under the VX-5 line performing any better?
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Not 600 but got a VX-6HD 3-18x44 tmoa illuminated blemished for around $875. Sometimes great deals are out there but have to jump when you find them. Never could find the blemish but saved a bunch.


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I just purchased a Ruger American 6.5 Creedmoor and putting a Boyd Thumbhole on it.

Hoping to start doing some long range target shooting out to 700-800 yards on our deer lease.

What is an entry level long range scope with adjustable turrets and possibly an IOS APP that is designed for the brand of scope?

Preferably 44mm-50mm and up to 24x or larger.

Kicker is - trying to keep it under $600 with scope and rings...

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Depends, Do you understand MOA or mill's,? if not get a second focal cds scope. If you do, Athalon make's nice stuff, as well as swfa.
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Man so much info here itís overwhelming lol but I appreciate everyoneís help.

Whatís best for a beginning FFP or Second Focal Plan?

Idk what the heck it even means.

Iím about a new and fresh this that I can be so all info and opinions are much appreciated and considered.


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One of the Vortex Vipers would be my choice.
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Man so much info here itís overwhelming lol but I appreciate everyoneís help.

Whatís best for a beginning FFP or Second Focal Plan?

Idk what the heck it even means.

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I shoot SFP and Havenít had any issues.

FFP has a laser etched reticle in the glass itís self so when you have a reticle that has windage and elevation marks for shoot long distance it will be true at all magnification values. The down side is as you increase magnification the size of the reticle will apear larger.

SFP your windage and elevation values built into the reticle will only be true on one magnification value. This is basically all typical hunting scopes.
The reticle is always the same size.

If your going to be shooting PRS style matches you should consider a FFP reticle that has multiple hash marks measuring drop and windage. Also be sure that your scope has MOA/MoA or MIL/MIL reticle to turrets.

Iíve had good luck with the cheaper vortex vipers the they track well and glass is pretty dang clear.
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Also are you looking at shooting steel plates or actual shooting precision groups on paper?

To me paper groups you need a much better scope than just shooting steel.

When I shoot steel out to 1k normally I only shoot on 14x
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Also are you looking at shooting steel plates or actual shooting precision groups on paper?

To me paper groups you need a much better scope than just shooting steel.

When I shoot steel out to 1k normally I only shoot on 14x


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If you are looking for a true LR scope in that price-range, you aren't going to find many solid options and I'd probably take Leupold out of your consideration set. Your budget is putting you right under some good options though, and adding a couple hundred bucks or going used will get you to a better place. If the scope won't do what its supposed to do, then the rifle won't be able to do what its supposed to do and if the rifle won't do what its supposed to do, then you can't do what your supposed to do. This stuff is supposed to be fun, but the fun stops quickly when a piece of equipment hinders your success.

You don't have to spend anywhere near 2K on glass, but repeatability and dependability usually start just North of $800 if you choose carefully. IMO, your primary requirement for an entry level LR scope should be consistent tracking first and foremost with a useable reticle coming in a close second. Glass doesn't need to be exceptional, just good enough to get the job done. A zero stop is nice, but the rest is just window dressing on entry level models. You'll see a lot of scopes in your stated budget that seem to have it all and then some, but they'll usually fall short on requirement #1.

The Bushnell mentioned above has a proven track record. Knowing Meopta, their new scopes also mentioned will probably be solid as well. The Vortex Gen 2 PST seems to be a popular choice in that range as well as the Burris offering. All are going to be just slightly above your budget, though. I'm sure there are several others in that range I can't think of right now. The only one that comes to mind that ABSOLUTELY TRACKS in the under $600 range is the SWFA 3-15........but it is SFP. The Athlon ARES BTR is well under your budget right now and has proven to be a serviceable option as an entry level scope that actually does have a big feature set. Proving that sometimes spending more doesn't get you more. Along those same lines..............

I just spent the morning behind six brand new Leupold VX5-HD scopes. I think I walked away with a better understanding of why we hear so many different viewpoints on quality now. They were literally ALL DIFFERENT! They ranged from pretty nice to almost falling apart right out of the box. I didn't have the time or desire to do any formal tracking tests, but 2 were obviously off by some degree, and one was a flat out joke. To be fair, that one had a parallax knob that clicked with rotation along with the image changing size while adjusting it(that's a new one on me), and the windage knob had enough slop it looked like it was trying to come off. Another had a significant reticle shift when changing power. The other 2 seemed to be acting like they should, but I wonder if they would pass a tall target test based on all the other observations? So, a 60% failure rate would be hard to recommend to someone at that price point. Question for the Leupold guys - are the product lines under the VX-5 line performing any better?
I was in the same boat not long ago and went with the Athlon Ares BTR just to try something different. I must say....I'm pretty impressed to this point. I've only taken it to 400 but it dialed great and perfectly returned to zero. I've only got 1 range trip on it so far. It's on a RPR in 6.5 Creed and I had it in a Burris PEPR because that what I had at the time. Just ordered some Seekins rings and remounted it. Now it's time to get back to the range.

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I recently got one of these for a 6.5 CM and so far I like it. Another option to consider. I'm not going to say it is as good as a $1k+ scope but it is pretty nice for the price.

https://www.primaryarms.com/pa-3-18x...-6-5cm-reticle
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I have a pair of Burris XTR IIs that are always for sale. One is 5-25 and the other 8-40. PM if you are interested.

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Old 09-21-2019, 11:23 AM   #44
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Good info here.
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Old 09-21-2019, 04:21 PM   #45
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There are a lot of deals on scopes right now. Get a budget and look around.
Midway had the Athlon ares for $425ish, normally 900$. I bought one to try out. No comments of yet.
Dvor has had vortex on sale within past month, I think there are a few bushnells on there too, nitro and forge (not a lot of feedback yet).
Eurooptics has had sales on vortex and nikon black (not sure of everyoneís thoughts). There are a lot of of options. I think everyone has a favorite brand.

If you want new rifle and like Minox, there is a 50% Minox coupon that comes with new M18 Mauser rifle. You can get that rifle for under 500$, then with coupon, buy a 1800 optic for 900$.

The bushnell that camera land has seems
To have a good following. I donít long range shoot, Iím not recommending a scope, just giving you some brand/price options on stuff that seems to favor well with people on multiple forums.
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Old 09-21-2019, 04:28 PM   #46
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I will say that I’d does like from reading many different forums, you get what you pay for to an extent. Meaning with cheaper 400-1000$ scopes you will see comments on how the glass might now be as clear/ mirage is worse, the turrets don’t track as well/softer feel on turns, heavy scope, internals break after years on higher recoil rifles.
It seems like less complaints when buying 1500$ and up scopes that are an established brand. However, I can deal with mushy turrets, glass that isn’t the crispest. Depends on what your doing and what you overall goals are. I kinnda am of the mind that most people probably can’t shoot to their guns/glass ability anyways. Practice time and consistency of form are often forgotten.

But maybe I am wrong on a few things, I am still learning.
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Old 09-22-2019, 01:11 PM   #47
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I'm just getting into some long range shooting myself. I just got 2 Ruger Americans in 308 win. And 223. Both guns are consistent sub MOA. Now i must confess I'm a tight wad! I'll buy a 500-600 dollar rifle and put an 80.00 scope on it. I did this and so far I'm very happy with a Center Point 6-20x. I shoot only for fun, not serious competition. I would rather have 2 very accurate guns with cheap glass than spending more on the scope than the rifle. Not saying it's better a scope than what everyone else is recommending, but you don't have to spend a bunch of cash to hit some steel at longer distance. To me the rifle is of more importance. I've done this with every rifle I've ever owned! Never had a single issue with any scope. Regardless of who made it Just something to think about.

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Old 09-25-2019, 12:00 PM   #48
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I'm just getting into some long range shooting myself. I just got 2 Ruger Americans in 308 win. And 223. Both guns are consistent sub MOA. Now i must confess I'm a tight wad! I'll buy a 500-600 dollar rifle and put an 80.00 scope on it. I did this and so far I'm very happy with a Center Point 6-20x. I shoot only for fun, not serious competition. I would rather have 2 very accurate guns with cheap glass than spending more on the scope than the rifle. Not saying it's better a scope than what everyone else is recommending, but you don't have to spend a bunch of cash to hit some steel at longer distance. To me the rifle is of more importance. I've done this with every rifle I've ever owned! Never had a single issue with any scope. Regardless of who made it Just something to think about.

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Old 09-25-2019, 12:01 PM   #49
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Just saying. A lot guys think I'm a cheap *** for not spending over $700 for a scope. Started out as a kid with a rifle shooting deer with a 30-06 and an $80 scope. That scope did eventually break, to tell the truth. But I killed a lot of deer with it. Then became mostly a bowhunter. Now I'm getting back into the rifle, longer distance thing.

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Old 09-26-2019, 12:14 PM   #50
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CameralandNY is doing a mini Black Friday sale this weekend. That Bushnell 3-12x44 LRTS in FDE is getting another $50 off in instant rebate. Knocks the price down to $649, and pretty sure that is no tax or shipping either.

At that price IMO it easily beats the SWFA, and I am a SWFA fan. I have 5 of the SWFA in various formats including 2 of the 3-15 in FFP, I have 1 of the 3-12 Bushnell LRTS, and 1 of the 4.5-18 Bushnell LRTS. I have run them all side by side. LRTS has way better glass, and some very useful features that the SWFA does not. Tracking in either SWFA or Bushnell LRTS is proven.

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