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Old 12-22-2017, 04:28 PM   #201
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No hands on movement or genetic manipulation of the animal or it’s ancestors.
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:38 PM   #202
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So if you had a 5k ranch, trapped 20 doe and a buck, put them in a pen, turned them and their offspring out 10 months later, which deer would be not native?
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Old 12-22-2017, 04:43 PM   #203
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That is a really handsome looking deer along with the horns...neat looking.

Thanks for sharing...the vid was outstanding.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:00 PM   #204
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Awesome buck Marko! Amazing what kind of animals great genetics and management can produce. It’s really special when you can get it done without taking shortcuts.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:33 PM   #205
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So if you had a 5k ranch, trapped 20 doe and a buck, put them in a pen, turned them and their offspring out 10 months later, which deer would be not native?
The offspring.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:37 PM   #206
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The offspring.
Cant see the logic in that thought, none the less he's an awesome deer, best of luck with him, Merry Christmas.
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Old 12-22-2017, 05:49 PM   #207
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Cant see the logic in that thought, none the less he's an awesome deer, best of luck with him, Merry Christmas.
And what if you then caught all the does that were the product of the first breeding and bred them back to a brother... and then did it again, and again, and again... and again...

At what point does that herd become something other than all the other herds around it that haven’t done that?

That’s the entire point of DMP... to manually change the herd genetically... how can you change it like that and have it still be native?

You don’t get to have your cake and eat it too.

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Old 12-22-2017, 06:47 PM   #208
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If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, itís a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You canít breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you arenít native anymore.
Agree with this statement 100%.
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Old 12-22-2017, 06:56 PM   #209
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Keep doing what your doing Marko
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Old 12-22-2017, 06:56 PM   #210
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The offspring.
So if they are not native, what are they? Everything is native to something, what are these offspring, certainly not introduced, they are born of parents that are native, they were born on your place, they can be nothing but native.
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Old 12-22-2017, 06:59 PM   #211
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So if they are not native, what are they? Everything is native to something, what are these offspring, certainly not introduced, they are born of parents that are native, they were born on your place, they can be nothing but native.
Whereís a house cat native to?
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:09 PM   #212
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Whereís a house cat native to?
I rather you just answer my question, but I doubt you will, look up the definition on native, before replying. On second thought don't bother, I got a plate af fried shrimp and a bottle of Weller 12 waiting in me, I'm out.
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:16 PM   #213
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I rather you just answer my question, but I doubt you will, look up the definition on native, before replying. On second thought don't bother, I got a plate af fried shrimp and a bottle of Weller 12 waiting in me, I'm out.
I guess you could call them native to your DMP pen.

100% DMP Native.

Iíd go for that. Lol
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Old 12-22-2017, 07:50 PM   #214
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If you are deciding who breeds who and increasing an individual bucks influence on your herd by large magnitudes... and then breeding back as is so often the case, itís a breeding program and you have gone away from native.

You canít breed deer and be 100% native. You can have 100% Texas genetics, but you arenít native anymore.
This X1000
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:34 AM   #215
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I donít decide who gets to breed and my deer have to earn their right to breed in a natural setting competing with other deer. Stop grasping it doesnít make any sense.

A DMP is a Permit to breed deer.

I can kill deer and let deer live, but I canít line breed does back to their fathers and brothers.

Calling 4000 acres a breeder pen is pretty funny.
How is culling bucks not deciding who gets to breed? If hes dead he can't breed.

4000 acres isn't a pen, buts possible to influence the genetics through culling.

Yal had great genetics from the start and have done a great job. not knocking yal fantastic buck and best of luck with the property. Im out
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Old 12-23-2017, 11:51 AM   #216
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Beautiful buck Encinal! Thank you for sharing! Can’t wait to see what he does next year.
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Old 12-23-2017, 12:38 PM   #217
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Awesome Deer Marko. He's a True Special South Texas Giant.
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:10 PM   #218
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That is incredible. I may have missed it, but are you considering taking him now or letting him walk again?
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Old 12-23-2017, 04:24 PM   #219
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That is incredible. I may have missed it, but are you considering taking him now or letting him walk again?
Think we are letting him ride minus some unforeseen event.
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Old 12-25-2017, 01:15 PM   #220
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I look forward to this same conversation next year.


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Old 12-25-2017, 01:24 PM   #221
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Think we are letting him ride minus some unforeseen event.
Didn't you ask the question of wether to shoot or not last year? We all knew the answer and what you were going to do. Terrific buck. Look forward to the updates next year.
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Old 12-25-2017, 03:33 PM   #222
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Didn't you ask the question of wether to shoot or not last year? We all knew the answer and what you were going to do. Terrific buck. Look forward to the updates next year.
Iíve never had a conundrum like that. When our first big big deer were 5 we never really thought about it because letting them live was just what we were supposed to do... now that I know how many deer die... as pretty as he was last year... it was an actual question.

So was this year... but this year... after last year... wasnít as big a question since we are one more year down.
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Old 12-25-2017, 04:00 PM   #223
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You have got a lot to choose from...walk him.
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Old 12-26-2017, 08:40 AM   #224
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Great Deer Marko. He is definitely some thing special and unique. Look forward to seeing how he looks n st year.


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Old 12-30-2017, 06:15 PM   #225
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God I love that "Red Dirt"... Nice Buck too
X2
That's exactly what I said to myself when I was watching that drone video.
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Old 10-10-2018, 04:51 PM   #226
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Any updates on this beast!?!
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:37 PM   #227
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Any updates on this beast!?!
@las_raices_ranch
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Old 10-10-2018, 10:44 PM   #228
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Glad yíall let him walk? Been keeping up on IG. Heís an absolute stud this year


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Old 10-11-2018, 06:11 AM   #229
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Dang, he looks great this year.
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:36 AM   #230
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:57 PM   #231
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Low fence Medina county its hammer time.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:12 PM   #232
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Iíd let him walk, seems like good herd sire to me


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Old 10-12-2018, 04:09 AM   #233
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Life is too short to pass up deer like that. Who cares if he adds 10 inches. We could all die tomorrow.
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