Well Crap

[LWC]

BS! For one dollar more an hour, Del Monte would have cornered the tomato picking market.

You still haven’t responded to post #84. Why is that?

That would be bad for business to pay $1 per hour to hire the same person you could hire for $10. Joe's wasn't better because they paid more for their labor. They were better because they had better marketing, sales and management.

You said you start your workers at $16. Starting at $20 isn't going to make you corner the market. It will make you have more expenses than your competitors.

I didn't respond to post #84 because I don't see how it applies to this discussion. Unions are a whole other issue that I guess you could start a thread about. Unions drive up labor costs and eventually the cost of goods. But if people still buy the goods and companies still make enough profit, i guess more power to em. I don't like them personally.

[Ironman]

That would be bad for business to pay $1 per hour to hire the same person you could hire for $10. Joe's wasn't better because they paid more for their labor. They were better because they had better marketing, sales and management.

You said you start your workers at $16. Starting at $20 isn't going to make you corner the market. It will make you have more expenses than your competitors.

I didn't respond to post #84 because I don't see how it applies to this discussion. Unions are a whole other issue that I guess you could start a thread about. Unions drive up labor costs and eventually the cost of goods. But if people still buy the goods and companies still make enough profit, i guess more power to em. I don't like them personally.

It has everything to do with this. If open shop labor is on par with unions, then your cheap labor assumption is blown to ****.

I do A LOT of Davis Bacon jobs. Most of which dictate wages HIGHER than what a union journeyman iron worker tops out at. A lot higher in some cases. Like I said before, you know not of what you speak. I don’t have time for your BS assumptions. I’m out.

[LWC]

You must defy the laws of economics and gravity. They aren't theories. You don't respond to any of the economic examples and go off on tangents like unions. I'll not get my thoughts on the subject from someone that argues for the justification of hiring illegals. It will eventually bring our country down. Not in an of itself, but in correlation with the welfare state and eventually socialism.

[Ironman]

You must defy the laws of economics and gravity. They aren't theories. You don't respond to any of the economic examples and go off on tangents like unions. I'll not get my morals on the subject from someone that argues for the justification of hiring illegals. It will eventually bring our country down. Not in an of itself, but in correlation with the welfare state and eventually socialism.

I'm not justifying anything. Once again, I'm stating facts, which disproves your cheap labor assumptions. I can prove to you that labor is not cheap. You can't prove otherwise, but yet here we are.

[LWC]

I'm not justifying anything. Once again, I'm stating facts, which disproves your cheap labor assumptions. I can prove to you that labor is not cheap. You can't prove otherwise, but yet here we are.

Cheap is a relative term. Do you not agree that if all the illegals were removed from the US work force today.....that tomorrow the cost of labor for the jobs the illegals were doing would increase?

[Ironman]

Cheap is a relative term. Do you not agree that if all the illegals were removed from the US work force today.....that tomorrow the cost of labor for the jobs the illegals were doing would increase?

Me: Wages on par with unions.

You: That's different. They drive up cost. I don't like them.

Also you: Cheap labor

Me: Contradiction much?

Also me: Driving now. Will discuss later

[LWC]

Me: Wages on par with unions.

You: That's different. They drive up cost. I don't like them.

Also you: Cheap labor

Me: Contradiction much?

Also me: Driving now. Will discuss later

Me: Do you agree with this?

You: Spaghetti


Let me know when the construction unions start competing for jobs of the mater pickers

[Ironman]

Me: Do you agree with this?

You: Spaghetti


Let me know when the construction unions start competing for jobs of the mater pickers

Awesome come back!

[LWC]

Cheap is a relative term. Do you not agree that if all the illegals were removed from the US work force today.....that tomorrow the cost of labor for the jobs the illegals were doing would increase?

Why don't you answer my question. Don't start a debate about another subject.

[Landrover]

Good points from both sides on this latest debate. The argument is pretty much mute as both sides want the same outcome...…..a better system which benefits the legal American citizen. If arguments over wanting the "same positive outcomes" go off the rails everytime it is discussed it is obvious the other side has the upper hand.

I don't disagree. Both problems are equally to blame. Can't fix one without the other. Why don't we fix both? Why do we think that a wall will fix either? Why don't we spend the money and resources to fix the real problems? And quit worrying about a pipe dream..or concrete dream or whatever it is supposed to be built from.

The wall unfortunately won't cure the disease, it will barely treat the symptom...…......at one heckuva cost to taxpayers, just like welfare. Build it.....(heck, hopefully some TBHers get contracts)...…….and then go after the real problem...….but we all know they wont. Another band-aid that will be great for photo ops.

Same thing that happened to the Polish/Irish/Italian labor forces before them. Another group (this time mainly illegal hispanic workers) came in and was willing to do the crappy jobs for less money. Some took their knowledge and skills and got better jobs, some started their own businesses, some went to prison, some got on welfare. Been happening forever. I agree we need to do something about welfare and fast.

The cost of Welfare in dollars isn't all that great in the big scheme of things. The cost of basic human nature and incentive is really the greatest cost. It is like feeding lions and tigers at the zoo. They are controlled by the people that hand out the food and have no incentive to do anything productive or to catch their own food. It is truly sad for more and more generations of Americans. The longer we kick the can the harder it is to turn it around. Until one day there aren't enough people to prop up the charade and the whole thing collapses.

Hard to argue those points in the context of 50 states!

Unlawful immigration is like a gold mine to the government and to those that profit from unlawful immigration.

Each unlawful immigrant needs, legal services, medical attention,schooling, housing, transportation services,etc. The list is very long and it is a whole bunch money to cover it. Rats and pubes are addicted to the access of a cheap fully subsidized workforce.

Nothing meaningful will happen with the border and unlawful immigration. To many parasites lined up to benefit from the government goldmine.

Other than whining about lonestar cards nothing will be done.

Could not have typed it better. Cheap labor has been one of the main ingredient of the secret sauce for over 250 years...……..regardless of race or creed...….it was all driven by cheap labor. The swamp surrounding that issue is full of prehistoric reptiles nobody has the guts to wade across.