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[JTRichardson]

mostly yes

Then we are mostly in the same boat Given that I've read just about every post you've put in some of these threads, I will say you are much more outspoken than I am.

Good point - the term has so many meanings that it almost has no meaning at all. It all depends on what you are trying to conserve I guess. As an example I remember back during the Cold War, the hardline Soviets hanging on to old-school Communism were referred to by the press as conservatives. At the same time the most fervent anti-communist Americans were also referred to as conservatives. (?!)

I guess this would depend on current view of the world and what one has been exposed to.

Being somewhat younger than (mentally and physically I would imagine lol) the crowd on TBH, I am conservative in the fact that I believe in leaving most folks alone, get government out of 90% of the nonsense it involves itself in, and uphold the constitution as currently written.

[12RingKing]

So what exactly are you saying? Are you saying I should change my moral and fiscal beliefs to sit around a fire and have fun discussions? Yeah you see how that works daily here.


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Nope. I’m saying that you shouldn’t let that bother you. In order to change someone’s point of view, you first have to understand theirs.

We lack understanding in this world, both on the left and right, because people don’t want to talk anymore. Our politicians have poisoned our system along with big tech and big media.

Americans are more similar than they make us out to be. Unfortunately, we have created 2 separate echo chambers and the divide in this country is widening.

Maybe YOU should change the way you feel about them if you want them to change the way they feel about US.

[12RingKing]

I may have misinterpreted the intent of your post. I misunderstood and thought you were calling me a snowflake for ignoring certain folks on here. If I misunderstood, I apologize for my response. I should really wait until I have more coffee before I start responding on TBH early in the morning.

If that was your intent, then I have more to say about this

Well.... you didn’t misinterpret my post.

The users of the ignore button is the snowflake in my scenario. Would I be so blunt as to say this to your face? Maybe. If the topic ever came up I’m not bashful about my opinion. If that would drive you to the point of wanting to fight me then you may have maturity issues to deal with.

TBH is not short of “keyboard cowboy” call outs either. There’s apparently a lot of guys on here with something to prove.

What I suggest to you is to not use the ignore feature. You have to understand the opinions of the liberals on here to effectively combat their arguments. You’re creating your own little world that’s filtered.

But if that’s what makes you happy, live your life bro.

[12RingKing]

to be clear: Is the below what you are referring to when you say "conservatives"

Conservative:

adjective
1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

2. (in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.

If you say something enough, it becomes true.

Look up the definition of liberal.... it is FAR from reality, in the political sense.

[txpitdog]

to be clear: Is the below what you are referring to when you say "conservatives"

Conservative:

adjective
1. averse to change or innovation and holding traditional values.

2. (in a political context) favoring free enterprise, private ownership, and socially traditional ideas.

I always thought that Conservative meant “conservative interpretation of the Constitution” and liberal meant “liberal interpretation of the Constitution”. That makes more sense to me than for/against on certain issues.


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[manwitaplan]

Nope. I’m saying that you shouldn’t let that bother you. In order to change someone’s point of view, you first have to understand theirs.

We lack understanding in this world, both on the left and right, because people don’t want to talk anymore. Our politicians have poisoned our system along with big tech and big media.

Americans are more similar than they make us out to be. Unfortunately, we have created 2 separate echo chambers and the divide in this country is widening.

Maybe YOU should change the way you feel about them if you want them to change the way they feel about US.

Yep spoken from a true LIBERAL talking point. I knew I should have not posted anything.

You and your people keep telling me to change to understand you and your ideals is laughable.

I am done even getting involved on here.


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[ttechdallas]

Yep spoken from a true LIBERAL talking point. I knew I should have not posted anything.

You and your people keep telling me to change to understand you and your ideals is laughable.

I am done even getting involved on here.


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I'm trying to figure out what is so LIBERAL about his statement(s).

I have a good friend who is liberal and one of the most intelligent people I know. It takes us about 10 minutes of ranting toward each other's party before we can have an intelligent conversation on the issues. When we get past that, it seems we agree on a lot more than than we thought.

I have personally concluded that the underlying issues that really separate us are quite complex with tentacles into policies and views on both sides of the political aisle. There is a rational argument to be made on either side.

However, our politicians and the 2 parties prefer to frame our problems and their solutions so as to maximize the blame on the other side. Both sides want us to blame the other side and the best way to do that is by portraying the other side as(fill in the blank based on the issue/direction) and to the degree that we ignore the other sides' argument altogether. After all, who on the other is going to listen to what a "racist", "socialist", "baby killer", "homophobe", "libtard", "gun nut", "snowflake", etc., says.

So both sides get comfortable with their respective talking points based on who they blame and nothing ever gets resolved. In business, the key to solving any problem is accurately framing exactly what the problem is. Well, we seldom do that.

I think we would have a lot better chance of improving things if everyone listened and talked a little more.

We can moan about the liberals all day but we're not much better. Look at how many people even here refuse to acknowledge Trump's role in where we are right now - instead putting 100% of the blame on the other side. To the degree that some seem ready to take up arms and fight.

[4wheels]

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/01/our_mounting_orwellian_nightmare.html

Interesting article that is related to this thread. About thinking, and allowed speech.

As far as trolls on any forum, I say don't engage with them. Don't give them any air. Let them say their say and don't argue.

[manwitaplan]

I'm trying to figure out what is so LIBERAL about his statement(s).

I have a good friend who is liberal and one of the most intelligent people I know. It takes us about 10 minutes of ranting toward each other's party before we can have an intelligent conversation on the issues. When we get past that, it seems we agree on a lot more than than we thought.

I have personally concluded that the underlying issues that really separate us are quite complex with tentacles into policies and views on both sides of the political aisle. There is a rational argument to be made on either side.

However, our politicians and the 2 parties prefer to frame our problems and their solutions so as to maximize the blame on the other side. Both sides want us to blame the other side and the best way to do that is by portraying the other side as(fill in the blank based on the issue/direction) and to the degree that we ignore the other sides' argument altogether. After all, who on the other is going to listen to what a "racist", "socialist", "baby killer", "homophobe", "libtard", "gun nut", "snowflake", etc., says.

So both sides get comfortable with their respective talking points based on who they blame and nothing ever gets resolved. In business, the key to solving any problem is accurately framing exactly what the problem is. Well, we seldom do that.

I think we would have a lot better chance of improving things if everyone listened and talked a little more.

We can moan about the liberals all day but we're not much better. Look at how many people even here refuse to acknowledge Trump's role in where we are right now - instead putting 100% of the blame on the other side. To the degree that some seem ready to take up arms and fight.

I actual enjoyed reading your take on things.

Here is the problem: you think we should all blame trump for everything going on, we should all accept Antifa and BLM did nothing wrong, there was no election fraud, covid is as bad as the crooks tell us it is, don’t worry about businesses shut down or oil prices being low, accept that Shelia Jackson Lee called all patriots terrorist, etc etc.........

So accept things I do not believe in because it will make America better.... There are a lot of people who have had enough and I MEAN enough. So now what, what do we do with that person just call them a terrorist and move on.

Listen to me I am not going to accept non biblical social issues, and I will be danged if I sit around on this site and have TF, Vman, and many others post left wing garbage as fact. Or tell me to change. How in the world would you expect to have a civil conversation with TF? It ain’t happening his elite smug attitude and keyboard warrior stance is what keeps driving that wedge deeper and deeper.

I applaud you for trying bud but I am good where I am at today.


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[ttechdallas]

I actual enjoyed reading your take on things.

Here is the problem: you think we should all blame trump for everything going on, we should all accept Antifa and BLM did nothing wrong, there was no election fraud, covid is as bad as the crooks tell us it is, don’t worry about businesses shut down or oil prices being low, accept that Shelia Jackson Lee called all patriots terrorist, etc etc.........

So accept things I do not believe in because it will make America better.... There are a lot of people who have had enough and I MEAN enough. So now what, what do we do with that person just call them a terrorist and move on.

Listen to me I am not going to accept non biblical social issues, and I will be danged if I sit around on this site and have TF, Vman, and many others post left wing garbage as fact. Or tell me to change. How in the world would you expect to have a civil conversation with TF? It ain’t happening his elite smug attitude and keyboard warrior stance is what keeps driving that wedge deeper and deeper.

I applaud you for trying bud but I am good where I am at today.


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I can't speak for what others should think. But I do blame Trump for losing the election. His ego doomed him. Whether it was going after the media every chance he got, turning on anyone and everyone who even slightly disagreed with him, or his repeated lies - whether intentional or when he was just talking out of his butt because his ego wouldn't let him shut up or let the experts speak.

Here is the sad reality - everyone is entitled to their opinions and oftentimes there is as much truth supporting theirs as ours. It comes down to what each side is willing to ignore about their while holding accountable of the other. So I guess I just don't think we're as much better than the other side as many others do.

If Trump was a Democrat, most on the left would overlook his many flaws and lies and they would support him. Sadly, if Hillary was a Republican, most of us would do same in her favor.

My broader take is that if we would hold those who advocate our views to a higher standard of leadership and integrity, we would easily win more elections. But we don't. Like them, we're good with just pointing out the flaws on the other side as though the worse they are the better our side is, regardless the quality of the individual.

[OldRiverRat]

No matter how many times a liberal tells me abortion is ok it isn’t. No matter how many times a liberal tells me open borders are ok they aren’t. No matter how many times a liberal tells me gun control is good it isn’t. I could go on and on; systematic racism, social injustice, white privilege, global warming, higher taxes, lbgqfzhbbb (and whatever else) , censorship and on and on and on ..

What I will tell you is that while you are being sensitive and listening to liberals trying to understand why they think all these things are ok/good they are busy just acting on each of them becomes they don’t give a crap what you think or how you feel.

Good grief now I know why the Republican Party is so feckless.


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[ttechdallas]

I think sometimes we have to step back and think about all the generalizations we make. I don't think all Dems believe abortion is OK. They just believe it should be the woman's choice. By the way, a lot of Republicans are in the same boat.

A lot of Democrats are for enforcing borders. They are just not in favor of criminalizing those who've been here for years because we've basically left the lights on for them and the cheap labor they provide.

So if you want to define them all as liberals and therefore the enemy, you're not helping Republicans at all. You can call that feckless if you want and that is what you believe. I don't and it doesn't make me any less Republican than you or the next person.

[12RingKing]

Yep spoken from a true LIBERAL talking point. I knew I should have not posted anything.

You and your people keep telling me to change to understand you and your ideals is laughable.

I am done even getting involved on here.


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Thank you for proving my point.

[randall]

All the above post do have a lot of great points, there are some great Democrat people in this country, that said the Dem party has gone completely Socialist even Communist, just look at what they've done and said since the election. Look at the one day impeachment, now they are saying they will come after all Trump voters and have Homeland Security take their children!!! the list goes on and on, it's crazy what there doing and saying they WILL do. If your Lib friends are ok with all this crap, and they continue to vote for this agenda there part of the problem, might want to watch your back around them. JMO

[clffrdfdge]

I can't speak for what others should think. But I do blame Trump for losing the election. His ego doomed him. Whether it was going after the media every chance he got, turning on anyone and everyone who even slightly disagreed with him, or his repeated lies - whether intentional or when he was just talking out of his butt because his ego wouldn't let him shut up or let the experts speak.

Here is the sad reality - everyone is entitled to their opinions and oftentimes there is as much truth supporting theirs as ours. It comes down to what each side is willing to ignore about their while holding accountable of the other. So I guess I just don't think we're as much better than the other side as many others do.

If Trump was a Democrat, most on the left would overlook his many flaws and lies and they would support him. Sadly, if Hillary was a Republican, most of us would do same in her favor.

My broader take is that if we would hold those who advocate our views to a higher standard of leadership and integrity, we would easily win more elections. But we don't. Like them, we're good with just pointing out the flaws on the other side as though the worse they are the better our side is, regardless the quality of the individual.

Bold is a nope and a nope!