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Old 06-03-2020, 10:23 AM   #1
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Dow is back over 26,000 for the first time in right at 3 months. Interesting to see the partial rebound (relatively quick). I wonder if there will be a retraction or if we will continue to see a bull market outlook with the potential to get back above 28,0000 by Q3.

Crude is back over $37 today as well. Hopefully we can break $40 in the coming days/weeks as demand picks back up.

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Old 06-03-2020, 10:32 AM   #2
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Thinking Qtr 3 & 4 will be ok
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Dow is back over 26,000 for the first time in right at 3 months. Interesting to see the partial rebound (relatively quick). I wonder if there will be a retraction or if we will continue to see a bull market outlook with the potential to get back above 28,0000 by Q3.

Crude is back over $37 today as well. Hopefully we can break $40 in the coming days/weeks as demand picks back up.
Interesting to say the least. I suspect a retraction, I hope I'm wrong but nonetheless will use the opportunity to invest more.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:39 AM   #4
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I have been amazed at the markets. Lots of people out of work and hurting, but it continues to trend back up. I am almost back to where I was pre-CV. I'm still nervous but not as much as I was when it was plunging. I hung in and did not sell and i'm glad I didn't
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:43 AM   #5
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I have been amazed at the markets. Lots of people out of work and hurting, but it continues to trend back up. I am almost back to where I was pre-CV. I'm still nervous but not as much as I was when it was plunging. I hung in and did not sell and i'm glad I didn't
Put me in the same bucket. Pleasantly surprised.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:44 AM   #6
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I feel like the stock market is fake. Not sure how unemployment was the highest it’s been since the Great Depression yet the market is just steadying going back up. Looks to be like a steep V pattern instead of a L like all these pro investors were predicting. I don’t see it going back down until election time possibly.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:47 AM   #7
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I watched a video last night showing how it is just a handful of stocks propping up the market. Amazon, Fb ect. I think once the bankruptcies start rolling in we are looking at a another good crash this fall.
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I feel like the stock market is fake. Not sure how unemployment was the highest itís been since the Great Depression yet the market is just steadying going back up. Looks to be like a steep V pattern instead of a L like all these pro investors were predicting. I donít see it going back down until election time possibly.
Resilient. The high numbers of unemployment as a result of COVID must have been people / jobs that didn't participate much at all, if any, in the market??
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:50 AM   #9
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Resilient. The high numbers of unemployment as a result of COVID must have been people / jobs that didn't participate much at all, if any, in the market??
Exactly.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:51 AM   #10
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I can only hope and pray it continues to rise. I retire at the end of the year and have no retirement program. I have had to save and invest on my own for my retirement. What a time for the market to tank. Young folks have time on their side to recover from slumps in the market but when you are 65 you don't have the luxury of riding it out over the long haul. I have never deviated from my investment goals and it has been good over the long haul.

I really get honked off at the lemmings on the exchange. Someone barks and they all crap their pants and bail over the cliff.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:57 AM   #11
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I can only hope and pray it continues to rise. I retire at the end of the year and have no retirement program. I have had to save and invest on my own for my retirement. What a time for the market to tank. Young folks have time on their side to recover from slumps in the market but when you are 65 you don't have the luxury of riding it out over the long haul. I have never deviated from my investment goals and it has been good over the long haul.

I really get honked off at the lemmings on the exchange. Someone barks and they all crap their pants and bail over the cliff.
I'm with you, old man. I retire this coming May but I have two retirement coming including SS.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:58 AM   #12
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I have been amazed at the markets. Lots of people out of work and hurting, but it continues to trend back up. I am almost back to where I was pre-CV. I'm still nervous but not as much as I was when it was plunging. I hung in and did not sell and i'm glad I didn't
I'm back within 600 bucks of where I was when covid started.. but there's still a loss of interest for the last 6 months or so ..
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I can only hope and pray it continues to rise. I retire at the end of the year and have no retirement program. I have had to save and invest on my own for my retirement. What a time for the market to tank. Young folks have time on their side to recover from slumps in the market but when you are 65 you don't have the luxury of riding it out over the long haul. I have never deviated from my investment goals and it has been good over the long haul.

I really get honked off at the lemmings on the exchange. Someone barks and they all crap their pants and bail over the cliff.

At 65, I hope your allocation is in line with your retirement plans. What kind of percentage drop did your portfolio see in the last couple months?
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I watched a video last night showing how it is just a handful of stocks propping up the market. Amazon, Fb ect. I think once the bankruptcies start rolling in we are looking at a another good crash this fall.

Not sure I can agree that a "handful" of stocks are propping up the market. Take a look at what comprises the Dow 30, S&P 500 or Russell 2000. Very few, if any those stocks are up several 100's or 1,000's of % points. That is the scale a single or "handful" of stocks would need to raise those markets by double digits.


I think most markets have accepted the unemployment rates are short term in nature and a lot of the entities affected by the 30-90 day shut down will weather storm long-term.


Time will tell, but in the short-term, I will remain a buyer of equities.
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:03 AM   #15
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I can only hope and pray it continues to rise. I retire at the end of the year and have no retirement program. I have had to save and invest on my own for my retirement. What a time for the market to tank. Young folks have time on their side to recover from slumps in the market but when you are 65 you don't have the luxury of riding it out over the long haul. I have never deviated from my investment goals and it has been good over the long haul.

I really get honked off at the lemmings on the exchange. Someone barks and they all crap their pants and bail over the cliff.
I'm no expert but if your that close you may want to look into some less risky investments
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:04 AM   #16
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Looks like the markets are indicating that the covid is a hoax, otherwise they wouldnít project the growth they are counting on.


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Old 06-03-2020, 11:06 AM   #17
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Resilient. The high numbers of unemployment as a result of COVID must have been people / jobs that didn't participate much at all, if any, in the market??
probably a good point
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Old 06-03-2020, 11:06 AM   #18
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IMO the stock market isnt an indicator of economic strength or even status.. its all together a seperate game with its own ebbs and flows.

Nobody in there right freakin mind looks out right now and says "stock market should be soaring!!! Times are good!!!".. yet here we are.

Its a shell game played by suits

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Old 06-03-2020, 11:20 AM   #19
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I honestly get the feeling that the stock market isnt an indicator of economic strength or even status.. its all together a seperate game with its own ebbs and flows.

Nobody in there right freakin mind looks out right now and says "stock market should be soaring!!! Times are good!!!".. yet here we are.

Its a shell game played by suits
I disagree

I am in the healthcare field (not medical) and our business is booming

Yes we had one poor month in April

But is has been a steady climb since then, with May being at original budget and well above PYTD performance. June is starting off really strong.

Yes some industries may be slower starting, but look at the freeways and street traffic. The days of reduced congestion is over. Back to work
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Old 06-03-2020, 12:47 PM   #20
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The sayings “Don’t fight the Fed” and “The stock market can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent” come to mind.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:20 PM   #21
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Have you factored in what $6trillion of money will do for a market? The markets just needed time to figure out where and how that money was going to effect what. With $6trillion coming into the system, a million dollars once again aint what it used to be. But the number still sounds good to many.
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Old 06-03-2020, 01:42 PM   #22
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I kick myself in the arse every morning for not going all in when I was tempted to. I got busy and didnt pull the trigger on it. Im up 100% since jumping in a few months ago.
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I think the stock market is starting to yawn at Covid, just like everyone else who has any sense.
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Not sure I can agree that a "handful" of stocks are propping up the market. Take a look at what comprises the Dow 30, S&P 500 or Russell 2000. Very few, if any those stocks are up several 100's or 1,000's of % points. That is the scale a single or "handful" of stocks would need to raise those markets by double digits.

I think most markets have accepted the unemployment rates are short term in nature and a lot of the entities affected by the 30-90 day shut down will weather storm long-term.

Time will tell, but in the short-term, I will remain a buyer of equities.
Also need to look at it like this.. Most small companies may be hurting real bad but most companies listed on stock exchanges are bigger and they will actually come out ahead after the dust settles by gaining more market share and less competition.

Plus inflation is hitting. Over time stocks need to adjust upward for inflation. Smart markets may be doing some of that adjusting now.
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Old 06-03-2020, 02:10 PM   #25
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I sold all my stock when China first started reporting shutting down in January. I then bought back when my company stock was at $20 a share. It just now topped $40 a share today. I have been a little nervous a time or two but I made a lot of money with that move.
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I bought Sasol stock at $2/share a while back. It's risen to $7.65. It's my first foray into individual investing and I hope it keeps growing.
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I bought Sasol stock at $2/share a while back. It's risen to $7.65. It's my first foray into individual investing and I hope it keeps growing.
That one is my biggest regret. I was so tempted to buy at a little over $2 a share, but had it in my mind it was going to take another dip and waited.
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Old 06-03-2020, 02:46 PM   #28
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Ha. I told my dad that I thought Penn National Gaming was a good buy when it was under $5......I fooled around and didn't do anything and didn't buy any. Here we are 2.5 months later and it is $32+ share. Would have, should have, could have.......didn't! Oh well. I am no worse off than when I started but it would be nice to have an extra $50-60K in the bank.

Hoping oil continue to trends upward and the stock market continues to do its thing. If we can get over $40 for any length of time, I think people will start getting a little more active!
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Ha. I told my dad that I thought Penn National Gaming was a good buy when it was under $5......I fooled around and didn't do anything and didn't buy any. Here we are 2.5 months later and it is $32+ share. Would have, should have, could have.......didn't! Oh well. I am no worse off than when I started but it would be nice to have an extra $50-60K in the bank.

Hoping oil continue to trends upward and the stock market continues to do its thing. If we can get over $40 for any length of time, I think people will start getting a little more active!

SOOOOO painful.. I was watching that one as well..

Watched it go from 28 down to 4 and some change... I finally bought in around 15, held it for over a week or so, and finally unloaded it when it popped above 20... buzz kills me to see it steadily climbing!
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Dow is back over 26,000 for the first time in right at 3 months. Interesting to see the partial rebound (relatively quick). I wonder if there will be a retraction or if we will continue to see a bull market outlook with the potential to get back above 28,0000 by Q3.

Crude is back over $37 today as well. Hopefully we can break $40 in the coming days/weeks as demand picks back up.
I do not know. There was a false recovery in 1930 and there was a false recovery in march of 2009. One difference here is we have 3 trillion in new government stimulous + at least that much added by the federal reserve.

I am out because I cannot grasp the effects of 6 trillion added to the economy. I am holding some cash but my mind is telling me not to be in cash with so much new monies added.
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I moved Into mostly cash and bonds today. Will buy back into stocks when we dip down to sub 2900 SP


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Pretty aggressive move. S&P is only 7% above that entry point. I hate bonds so bad that I would rather be in cash or just ride the equity roller coaster. Bonds have too much risk and absolutely no upside in my opinion.
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Pretty aggressive move. S&P is only 7% above that entry point. I hate bonds so bad that I would rather be in cash or just ride the equity roller coaster. Bonds have too much risk and absolutely no upside in my opinion.

I should of clarified, a bond index fund in my 401k for stability. I think we dip some more before we return to 3400 SP and 29k Dow, then Iíll move back into stock funds.We will see, maybe we wonít but I recovered all my COVID loss and then some so far.


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Canít complain about the rebound so far, but not all stocks have bounced like others. Still short of where it was but still put in monthly even during the downturn. Hoping it still goes up more.




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Ha. I told my dad that I thought Penn National Gaming was a good buy when it was under $5......I fooled around and didn't do anything and didn't buy any. Here we are 2.5 months later and it is $32+ share. Would have, should have, could have.......didn't! Oh well. I am no worse off than when I started but it would be nice to have an extra $50-60K in the bank.

Hoping oil continue to trends upward and the stock market continues to do its thing. If we can get over $40 for any length of time, I think people will start getting a little more active!

I went pretty heavy, at least for me, on Cracker Barrel and Royal Caribbean in early April. Both are looking great so far. Old people are ready to get back to eating out and cruising.


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I went pretty heavy, at least for me, on Cracker Barrel and Royal Caribbean in early April. Both are looking great so far. Old people are ready to get back to eating out and cruising.


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Mom and Dad had to cancel a cruise with the grandkids....thatís when I knew I had a future winner.


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If that woman donít turn off Fox News....Iím giving her Covid!!!!


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Old 06-05-2020, 08:24 AM   #41
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Dow Futures up over 700 this morning.
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Dow Futures up over 700 this morning.
Dow up 675 points 5 minutes into trading. Payroll numbers were a surprise and the market liked them.... Interested to see if the positivity holds throughout the day. Friday's can be fickle.
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Old 06-05-2020, 08:41 AM   #43
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man for once in my life, i timed this one perfect. In january i sensed the covid thing would cause themarket to crash, so i transferred my funds that followed the S&P 500 to a more secure stable fund. When the dow hit 23,500 i transferred it back and man i'm loving live right now.

I had about 80k in that fund at the time so i'm getting some really nice growth right now... hope it does go back up to the 29000 range!
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AAL up 100% in the last 2 days. RCL up 50% this week. HAL is up 110% in the last month. Sure wish I would have bought some of those a month ago. Oh wait.....I did. Turned my $1200 stimulus into $2000 in less than a month.
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Dow pushed through 27,000 with some relative ease. Again, I am anxious to see if we can close the day above that threshold. Time will tell.....

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I didn't invest much before all of this happened - but in April I bought a lot of Carnival, some RC, and American Airlines. Spent what I could comfortably lose and dang I wish I would have spent a lot more, but still happy with where I am sitting as of now. If it dips/crashes again, I will be putting more into it.
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AAL up 100% in the last 2 days. RCL up 50% this week. HAL is up 110% in the last month. Sure wish I would have bought some of those a month ago. Oh wait.....I did. Turning my $1200 stimulus into $2000 in less than a month if thing keep going the way they are.
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AAL up 100% in the last 2 days. RCL up 50% this week. HAL is up 110% in the last month. Sure wish I would have bought some of those a month ago. Oh wait.....I did. Turning my $1200 stimulus into $2000 in less than a month if thing keep going the way they are.
I had AAL on my watch list with the intent to buy some this week. Set a limit buy and never got below the price margin I set.....dang
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:14 AM   #49
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Past couple days have been awesome.
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Old 06-05-2020, 09:20 AM   #50
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Past couple days have been awesome.

Sure has. Hope it keeps going.


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