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Old 07-12-2018, 10:11 AM   #1
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Who has one and where did you get? Thinking about getting one as a family/guard dog. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks
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I looked into them long and hard as I wanted to get one for the house. If you do not have a firm hand and have a lot of time to spend with one wouldn't suggest it. They call them maligators for a reason, can be destructive if not enough exercise.
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I looked into them long and hard as I wanted to get one for the house. If you do not have a firm hand and have a lot of time to spend with one wouldn't suggest it. They call them maligators for a reason, can be destructive if not enough exercise.
I have read that. I live out in the country on couple hundred acres and have a lab that could keep him occupied. Would have plenty of room to run and play. Thanks
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:24 AM   #4
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I don't have a Belgian Malinois, but have had the Groenendael variety of Belgian Shepherds (There are 4 types of Belgians). Have had a bunch of them the past 20 years and they are my favorite breed of dog. But they aren't for everyone.
Requires a lot of socializing as a puppy and dominance training from the owner. However, if you've got the time, you won't find a better breed. I have no fear of anyone entering the house who doesn't belong. She hits the front door like she is going to kill someone. Nice to have when randoms walk up and knock. She also herds my 3 year old in the yard if he gets too close to the street.
Law enforcement has gone toward the Mals b/c of their short coats- long black hair has become a condiment in our house!
They really are great peace of mind when my wife is home with the kids alone. Let me know if you have specific questions- We are breeding my ***** in a couple of months with a woman in Breckenridge who has kept our line going for the last 20 years or so (all of my dogs come from the same lineage). Good luck- great dogs!
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I looked into them and decided on a GSD instead. They are a true working dog and need a firm pack leader. Look for some videos on you tube. I exercise my GSD for atleast an hour a day and he still gets bored. I cant imagine a malinois. Good luck
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I looked into them and decided on a GSD instead. They are a true working dog and need a firm pack leader. Look for some videos on you tube. I exercise my GSD for atleast an hour a day and he still gets bored. I cant imagine a malinois. Good luck
What is GSD?
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What is GSD?
I'm no expert!

Google says
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Thats kinda what I was thinkin
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Don't do it. Most folks see a highly trained one on tv or videos and instantly go out and buy one. They are working dogs and should have tasks and daily work. Get a good shepherd and find you a trainer that can help attain your goals. You're looking at years to get where you want. You'll have to choke so much drive out of that mal that you'll just be better off with the GSD
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Don't do it. Most folks see a highly trained one on tv or videos and instantly go out and buy one. They are working dogs and should have tasks and daily work.
While I dont disagree the same could be said for Lacys. The amount of Lacys needing re-homed on FB is down right despicable.
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European working line GSD. German Shepherd Dog. 1/2 DDR 1/2 Czech. Ama,ing animal. High drives and needs lots of exercise. They are better suited for pets.....although not for the weak. Malanois' are amazing dogs but are very high drive and some do not have an off switch. The name is Belgian Malanois. There are also Dutch Shepherds and Belgian Shepherds.

I would say stick with the GSD......but not American lines. They are not true rep of what. German Shepherd Dog is supposed to be.

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Don't do it. Most folks see a highly trained one on tv or videos and instantly go out and buy one. They are working dogs and should have tasks and daily work. Get a good shepherd and find you a trainer that can help attain your goals. You're looking at years to get where you want. You'll have to choke so much drive out of that mal that you'll just be better off with the GSD
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While I dont disagree the same could be said for Lacys. The amount of Lacys needing re-homed on FB is down right despicable.
This!!
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While I dont disagree the same could be said for Lacys. The amount of Lacys needing re-homed on FB is down right despicable.
But we aren't talking about lacys
Not really a fan of lacys anymore. Going thru what is happening to the mal right now. Popularity kills working breeds.
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Does not play well with other dogs. Lol.

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Don't do it. Most folks see a highly trained one on tv or videos and instantly go out and buy one. They are working dogs and should have tasks and daily work. Get a good shepherd and find you a trainer that can help attain your goals. You're looking at years to get where you want. You'll have to choke so much drive out of that mal that you'll just be better off with the GSD
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European working line GSD. German Shepherd Dog. 1/2 DDR 1/2 Czech. Ama,ing animal. High drives and needs lots of exercise. They are better suited for pets.....although not for the weak. Malanois' are amazing dogs but are very high drive and some do not have an off switch. The name is Belgian Malanois. There are also Dutch Shepherds and Belgian Shepherds.

I would say stick with the GSD......but not American lines. They are not true rep of what. German Shepherd Dog is supposed to be.

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But we aren't talking about lacys
Not really a fan of lacys anymore. Going thru what is happening to the mal right now. Popularity kills working breeds.
Absolutely, hype about the breed has resulted in two extremely unfortunate situations: working dogs being sold under false pretenses to pet homes, creating difficult living situations that often lead to the Lacys being surrendered; and previously solid lines being watered down, slowly degrading the breed as a whole. The cutesy pet owner bs on facebook makes me gag.
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If you're not prepared to spend tons of time training and working with it. I wouldn't get one.
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Absolutely, hype about the breed has resulted in two extremely unfortunate situations: working dogs being sold under false pretenses to pet homes, creating difficult living situations that often lead to the Lacys being surrendered; and previously solid lines being watered down, slowly degrading the breed as a whole. The cutesy pet owner bs on facebook makes me gag.
Right on!

Look what happened to labs
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Right on!

Look what happened to labs
This happened to the GSD first and to a much larger degree. Americans, the AKC and backyard breeding destroys breeds.

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Old 07-12-2018, 11:29 AM   #22
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Get a wolf.
Then you can get the tshirts, window decals and tailgate murals.
pull serious tail with those..
they might eat the kids...so you will have to weigh the pros and cons...daycare prices arent comin down though...just sayin...
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This happened to the GSD first and to a much larger degree. Americans, the AKC and backyard breeding destroys breeds.

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I would argue it's not the registry bad judging at dog shows, where judges tend to pick dogs with flashy exaggerated features vs. what is correct and functional...but that's way besides the point.
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But we aren't talking about lacys
Not really a fan of lacys anymore. Going thru what is happening to the mal right now. Popularity kills working breeds.
Look at the Irish setter
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I would argue it's not the registry bad judging at dog shows, where judges tend to pick dogs with flashy exaggerated features vs. what is correct and functional...but that's way besides the point.
Yeah. The AKC stresses breeding for a specific look. In Germany even the show lines have to work and be titled in IPO.

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My first K9 partner was a single purpose female Mal. and was an awesome partner. After she retired my Dept. got me a dual purpose male (detection, patrol) and he was a beast. If you dont have the time, energy, devotion for a Mal. don't even think about getting one. They have a very high prey drive that'll drive you nuts if you don't have the training. Both of mine came from Global K9 at the tune of 9k for my first partner and 15k for the second.


Both are sorely missed. ;(
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My first K9 partner was a single purpose female Mal. and was an awesome partner. After she retired my Dept. got me a dual purpose male (detection, patrol) and he was a beast. If you dont have the time, energy, devotion for a Mal. don't even think about getting one. They have a very high prey drive that'll drive you nuts if you don't have the training. Both of mine came from Global K9 at the tune of 9k for my first partner and 15k for the second.


Both are sorely missed. ;(
Beautiful dogs. I think y’all talked me out of the Mal and more into the GSD
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I love my GSD. He is one generation out of Germany and is almost solid black. Be careful and find a good breeder with the right bloodlines. As said before, the breeding has been watered down a lot in some cases.
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I will chime in and Echo what others have said but I will just come out and say if your looking for a pet, please don't get one.

I have had my female close to 4 years and everything we are telling you is spot on, beyond imaginable prey drive and energy, will make short work of any kennel you devise, takes a huge amount of personal time to train you, as well as the animal. I did breed her once and almost every pup went to depts. and corporate teams. 2 of those pups reside locally in DFW and get a massive amount of attention daily. Please take special note without a lot of work and a strong leader they are highly destructive and dangerous and that can lead down a very bad road for everyone involved.
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I don't have a Belgian Malinois but my sons best friend has 2 if you ever want to come up to DFW on a Sat or Sun and see them in action(Training with the bite suit on at his estate) just let me know..They were at my house on Sat but I did NOT let my dogs interact with these animals..These dogs have had extensive training and it cost a fortune for the training that they have put them thru.
(Kids dad is a Multi-Millionaire) these dogs are used for protection mainly, the
female(3 yrs old)they wanted to gift to my son (I did not agree).
The male is 5 and was taught not to bark or show aggression until the actual attack (That's the quality they didn't like about the female and the reason for them trying to gift them to my son Ty) ..If I wanted a dog to protect me these would be Great,but for a normal dog that might have interaction with other animals and at times left alone without me around I would not have one.(I am sure some of them aren't as On/Off as these two and might be great pets but I was never comfortable around them )
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I love my GSD. He is one generation out of Germany and is almost solid black. Be careful and find a good breeder with the right bloodlines. As said before, the breeding has been watered down a lot in some cases.
X number of generation out of German is how they described it in the 80s. LOL.

My dog is out of Iltis von Der Wildsau aka Wolf on the top and has zPohranichni Straze lineage on bottom.

As with the Mal, the Euro working line GSD can be too drivey for a family pet. The good breeders test the pups and place them accordingly as they score. My dog scored a 3 out of 5. Two females in his litter scored 1s and were placed in police departments.
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Interesting history of DDR and Czech lines.

http://www.sequoyahk9.com/ddr_history.htm

https://www.vomberkhaus.com/gsd-history

This is a great breeder in Arizona with direct ties to Jiri Novotny in the Czech Republic.

http://www.alpinek9.com/

There are some decent kennels in Texas with less expensive dogs.....like mine.
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I was thinking one of the TBH brothers in Weatherford either bred them or trained them. I am sure I will guess wrong, but for some reason I am thinking his name is Tuffbroadhead or something like that.
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Don't listen to anyone that's never owned one. You'll never own a better dog than a malenois. I've had them in my house for twenty three years. Extremely clean, intelligent, faithful and obedient.



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Sorry dude but the GSD is a far more versatile breed.

Smarter and better looking as well. LOL.

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Sorry dude but the GSD is a far more versatile breed.

Smarter and better looking as well. LOL.

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They look like bad arse dogs, I just don’t have the time to invest in one.
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10-4 on the lol.
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Smarter and better looking as well. LOL.

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The way people over generalize traits of dog breeds would be comical if it wasn't such a disservice to the dogs themselves.


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The racoon eyes.
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I think like all discussions on here, it will boil down to personal preference and what you want. I originally looked at getting a Mal, but after speaking to the breeder I was looking at, he talked me out of it. I have 3 kids and was looking for the same thing as you. I grew up with GSD's and wanted something a little different, so I looked at a Mal. As said above, if you have the time and skill needed to train, go for it and you will love it. If you don't, look at something else. My GSD is 2 years old and loves herding my 1 year old daughter, chasing bubbles and will come when called, even off leash. We can all go back and forth on who is right and which is best about guns, bows and dogs. Bottom line is do your research and chose what is best for your family.
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While I dont disagree the same could be said for Lacys. The amount of Lacys needing re-homed on FB is down right despicable.
Agreed. I let my lacy out to roam on 40 acres as soon as I get home from work. She is constantly roaming, hunting, or harassing the livestock. Thank goodness she only herds the chickens, ducks, and geese around. She hasn't killed any of my birds. And she hasn't been kicked or trampled by the horses... yet. I'm afraid it's a matter of time before a horse finally catches her with a kick. But she's by far the best d@mn hunting dog I've had.
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I will put in my 2 cents. I have trained all kinds of breeds Labs GSD Mutts and now Standard Poodles. The breed the we put in the most time was the GSD. High drive means a lot more time you have to spend with them. Look at a breed that will do the job you want them to do. Not because it is a popular breed or because so and so has one. One of the best guard dogs I have ever had was a half GSD half Collie. She was just a bad *** but you could bring any small child around her without fear of her hurting them. To many people get " the popular breed of the day and end up surrendered them because the can not handle them witch makes me sick. That being said I am a big fan of the Standard Poodle. Smart easy to train protective of their people and place dose not shed and will hunt. What ever you get spend as much time as you can with them it will pay off in the end.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:31 PM   #48
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Expanding on what Rig said...….it's not just the breed but the lines within the breed. You can get pet lines in GSD.....or show lines that are not high strung and drivey. You can also get West German working lines that are just as crazy as Mals.

For just a pet the west German show lines are great. As stated earlier, they have to be able to work and be titled in IPO/Schutzhund in order to be bred in Germany. I had one before my currecnt dog. Huge at 105 lbs. Gorgeous. Not a mean bone in his body. However he would bark at strangers and his look was intimidating enough to ward off the bad guys.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:42 PM   #49
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Yeah. The AKC stresses breeding for a specific look. In Germany even the show lines have to work and be titled in IPO.

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German lines are the only lines I have looked at specifically out of Germany. All of their lines have to work first and foremost, looked at some Jagd, teckel, and GSD from Germany. To many American breeders are solely in for looks. The Germans have got it right hopefully more people around here will follow.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:45 PM   #50
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Yep.

Love me some German breeds.

If I ever own another breed it would be a Doberman or Rottweiler.
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