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Old 07-11-2018, 09:55 PM   #1
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Default Pond bummer...or not?

My one of my ponds, about an acre when full, went dry in "the drought" for the first time. Since then I haven't restocked it, instead allowing flatheads to flourish by feeding them. Last week while feeding I noticed all the sudden there were sunfish feeding too. This evening I finally grabbed a flyrod and went to catch some. I was bummed to see they were green sunfish, so up on the bank they went.

I was always taught no greenies in a pond. I went to another pond and caught 4 bass and transferred them to the greenie pond. I just came in and looked iup green sunfish and to my surprise the first article was this in pond boss.

https://www.pondboss.com/news/modera.../green-sunfish

Maybe not so bad after all. What do you all think?

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Old 07-11-2018, 10:09 PM   #2
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They’re in every pond, steam, river & lake around here. I’ve never noticed them taking any ponds over, and they’re not bad eating either.

I’ve always heard they’re the first fish to repopulate something that was drained. They will get in fields (out of ditches, I guess) and some people call them rice slicks in the flatlands. I’ve always called them goggle eyes.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:12 PM   #3
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You sure you’ve got flatheads and not mud cats? They’re usually the first fish birds bring into a pond.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:23 PM   #4
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This must not be in Texas, no ponds in tx, there are a few tanks though
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:23 PM   #5
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You sure you’ve got flatheads and not mud cats? They’re usually the first fish birds bring into a pond.
^^^^ this, unless you stocked the flatheads that are in it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:33 PM   #6
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Im no expert by any stretch of the imigination, but unless I saw an obvious overpopulation issue I cant imagine wasting them. Worst case scenario they are food for more desirable fish.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:49 PM   #7
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FLATHEADS, hence the feeding plan.

Thanks to those who actually read and try to give real input.
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Old 07-11-2018, 10:57 PM   #8
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FLATHEADS, hence the feeding plan.

Thanks to those who actually read and try to give real input.

Lol, Oh I read what you wrote, just have never heard of flatheads magically appearing in a pond that has not been stocked with them, now mudcats are in dang near every pond in tx. As for the sunfish they’re not a preferred forage fish as they’ll compete with your target fish. If you just want a pond to catch fish out of and not trophies then you’re on he right track.....
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:08 PM   #9
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Those green ones will stay alive on a hook a lot longer than any other perch.


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Old 07-11-2018, 11:08 PM   #10
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FLATHEADS, hence the feeding plan.

Thanks to those who actually read and try to give real input.


I read your post as saying...

Your pond went dry. You did not re-stock. Now you are feeding flatheads. If you did NOT re-stock and your pond actually went DRY, you are feeding mudcats.

Correct me if I’m reading your post wrong.

With that being said...we have had multiple tanks with green sunfish. We never saw any negative results.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:11 PM   #11
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Are we talking about red ear pearch or a different kind of green pearch? I've always found the channel and flatheads love the red ear and bluegill on trotlines, jugs, or just line fishing.

I'm also confused about the flatheads in a pond that went dry but you didn't restock.
Did the pond not go totally dry? Or did you restock flatheads? Otherwise I imagine what you have is what we've always called mud cat, I've heard some call bull heads.
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Old 07-11-2018, 11:45 PM   #12
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Those green sunfish are fun to catch. Very aggressive. Like catching a bass. Got big ole mouths on ‘em . Can swallow a plug.


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Old 07-11-2018, 11:51 PM   #13
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This must not be in Texas, no ponds in tx, there are a few tanks though


Tanks have concrete ponds don’t.


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Old 07-12-2018, 12:23 AM   #14
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:25 AM   #15
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We call them watering holes


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Old 07-12-2018, 12:32 AM   #16
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My one of my ponds, about an acre when full, went dry in "the drought" for the first time. Since then I haven't restocked it, instead allowing flatheads to flourish by feeding them. Last week while feeding I noticed all the sudden there were sunfish feeding too. This evening I finally grabbed a flyrod and went to catch some. I was bummed to see they were green sunfish, so up on the bank they went.

I was always taught no greenies in a pond. I went to another pond and caught 4 bass and transferred them to the greenie pond. I just came in and looked iup green sunfish and to my surprise the first article was this in pond boss.

https://www.pondboss.com/news/modera.../green-sunfish

Maybe not so bad after all. What do you all think?

Pete
I don't know why a Green Sunfish would be a bad thing. Its a native fish. Good eating. Good for the predatory fish. We called them Goggle eyes and I never seen them take over a pond, as a matter of fact, we couldn't catch enough of them.

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Old 07-12-2018, 12:57 AM   #17
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So where did the flat heads come from?
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:55 AM   #18
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Guessing he's talking about fathead minnows?

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Old 07-12-2018, 04:21 AM   #19
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Don't get rid of those green sunfish. Very good eatin and really fun to catch on light tackle. Very aggressive and hard fightin fish. Unless you stocked flathead cats in your pond, you have mud cats
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:07 AM   #20
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I'm with the others on how the flathead got there, but hey.... Green sunfish or goggle eye as we call them should be great food for the flathead as they prefer live food. And bass will return soon too. Trap the sunfish and use them for trotline bait, there's not much better.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:16 AM   #21
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I read your post as saying...

Your pond went dry. You did not re-stock. Now you are feeding flatheads. If you did NOT re-stock and your pond actually went DRY, you are feeding mudcats.

Correct me if I’m reading your post wrong.

With that being said...we have had multiple tanks with green sunfish. We never saw any negative results.
^^this
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:43 AM   #22
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OP, you were taught wrong about green sunfish. Enjoy fishing them.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:49 AM   #23
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I always figgered Flatheads would have a hard time living in a dirt tank. They need deep holes and big water. Learn something new on here all the time. Them old sun grannies aint hurting nothing if you got flatheads living in there. Better off with them sun grannies than crappie. Crappie will plumb take over a tank.

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Old 07-12-2018, 07:32 AM   #24
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You have mud cat. They’re delicious.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:38 AM   #25
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:23 AM   #26
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green sunfish...aka "creek perch" are some good river bait for a yella cat.
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:31 AM   #27
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OP, How bout you post up some pics of these "flatheads"... I'd be real interested to see a pond raised flathead...
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:37 AM   #28
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Just be thankful you got water in something outside of your bathtub. I’ve got a dozer working over my tanks/ponds/ watering holes now cause they’re dry!
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:41 AM   #29
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Just be thankful you got water in something outside of your bathtub. I’ve got a dozer working over my tanks/ponds/ watering holes now cause they’re dry!
X2 on that!!!!
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:02 AM   #30
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This is my guess as well. I've been reading a buttload of pond boss lately though so I may be in the wrong frame of mind.
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green sunfish...aka "creek perch" are some good river bait for a yella cat.
Yes and so is mud cats aka bullheads. Boy, when the river is a rising, and you got a bucket of live bait, you can catch some dandies on a rod and reel.
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OP, How bout you post up some pics of these "flatheads"... I'd be real interested to see a pond raised flathead...


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You got a pond full of poly wogs.


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Old 07-12-2018, 09:42 AM   #34
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Flat headed poly wogs
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:50 AM   #35
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I've never heard of the notion that green sunfish were bad for ponds.
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Old 07-12-2018, 09:55 AM   #36
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I've never heard of the notion that green sunfish were bad for ponds.
Only in ponds with flat mudcat polywogs.
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Grandaddy....these have yellow on their bellies. Is that what they call a yellow cat?

Son.....that's a **** pollywog. Channel cats go on the stringer...Pollywogs get thrown up on the bank.

But grandaddy...I don't want......

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I'm hoping this is the case....as it would make the most sense after a pond goes dry
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:01 AM   #39
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But are they yellow?
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Mud cat/bullhead/polywog...




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Old 07-12-2018, 10:17 AM   #41
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I've never heard of the notion that green sunfish were bad for ponds.
Some people have the opinion that because of the larger mouth on the green sunfish, they can fit compete against the bass for food, and possibly eat the bass fry. A full blooded bluegill as a pretty small mouth in relation to the green sunfish.
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It would only take a few 10-15 lb flat heads to wipe out an acre pond in a short amount of time. They are heavy eaters and not many ponds could sustain a population of flat heads. Not to mention unless you have a creek or river that overflows to the pond or someone put some in it im not sure how it would have flatheads. Thats just not their native environment.
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Grandaddy....these have yellow on their bellies. Is that what they call a yellow cat?

Son.....that's a **** pollywog. Channel cats go on the stringer...Pollywogs get thrown up on the bank.

But grandaddy...I don't want......

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I had that same conversation.
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Fun thread.

I like catching pan fish... and to be honest, I like a little diversity in the ponds I fish.. Greenies, Gills, Pumpkins, etc,...
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:36 PM   #48
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IF the OP stocked his tank/pond/water hole with flathead/yellow cat/op, the green sunfish/slick jim/creek perch are about the best thing he could feed them. If he's got mudcat/polywog he needs to feed them dynamite.
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Old 07-12-2018, 12:40 PM   #49
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I always call them Channel cat but it may be a channel Bullhead hybrid.
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