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Old 07-12-2018, 01:09 PM   #51
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The guy broke the rules and got fired for it. During my time with academy we stopped theives all the time but we never put hands on them and we actually had to see them conceal the products. Sounds like this guy just heard stop that guy and grabbed the person running. What if all the yelling caused people to run out of the store and he grabbed the wrong person? What if the theif decided to pull another gun out of his pocket and shoot the employee? Now I'm not saying I disagree with what he did, if I was in the same situation it would have been tempting to do the same. But you have to be prepared for the consequences of your actions.
Agree. I was an Academy manager. We stopped them if we could see them conceal, either live or on camera. Couldn't grab them, and couldn't pursue them out the door. Academy had a manager get killed in the 1990's chasing a customer in the parking lot over a pair of shoes. Since that time, pursuit outside the store is in violation of company policy.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:13 PM   #52
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So now we can just go to academy and ask to see a firearm and just turn around and walk out with it, oh and grab some ammo to match on the way out. Seems pretty dagum stupid if you ask me.
You and enough of your buddies do this and maybe they will rethink their policy
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:16 PM   #53
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:18 PM   #54
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Yep it is stupid.

It is stupid what people can get sued over... and so you end up with even more stupid policies to prevent stupid people from suing others because stupid people allow it. So stupid people are rewarded, and continue to act stupid because of it.

Just plain stupid.
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Old 07-12-2018, 01:42 PM   #55
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I am sure Academy like many others have developed their policy with input from legal counsel and based on their experiences and are doing what makes the most business sense. Many a retail employee have been injured or worse stopping or pursuing a shoplifter and even what may seem to be a somewhat minor injury can end up costing thousands of dollars in workers' comp costs not to mention civil suits over shoplifters that get injured during the apprehension. Even if a company wins a civil suit filed against them it would cost thousands of dollars to defend themselves. It sounds to me that Academy has evaluated their losses due to shoplifting compared to the risk of stopping someone and has determined it is more profitable to not pursue shoplifters.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:00 PM   #56
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they need to give him a raise not fire him
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:14 PM   #57
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I have a personal friend who was fired for exactly the same. He tried to stop a thief from stealing tools at a Home Depot in Florida. Store told him it was policy because the theif might kill or injure the employee, and they didn't want the liability.
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Old 07-12-2018, 02:50 PM   #58
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All this talk is hilarious. We all are sitting here behind the comfort of our computers talking about what he should have and should'nt do. Policy this and policy that.

I work in an industry that has more regulations then employees.

Its easy to say when your not in the heat of the moment how he/she should react.

I watched my dad when I was a child grab a piece of broken glass out of mid air as it was twirling around from trying to break some bottles. Now, sitting in our living room drinking coffee, its easy to say that was a stupid decision. But when you are "reacting", its totally different.

I promise you this guy didn't wake up that morning and think, gee, how will I handle a shoplifter trying to bolt to the door with a .40 calibur handgun and several employees screaming "stop that guy".

Sometimes, we need to look at everything case by case.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:32 PM   #59
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A country where laws favor the criminals.......start giving somebody a rap on the beezer and maybe get a little respect around here.
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Old 07-12-2018, 04:33 PM   #60
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Agree. I was an Academy manager. We stopped them if we could see them conceal, either live or on camera. Couldn't grab them, and couldn't pursue them out the door. Academy had a manager get killed in the 1990's chasing a customer in the parking lot over a pair of shoes. Since that time, pursuit outside the store is in violation of company policy.
There you go. That's the issue: employee life and safety is more important than merchandise. As far as guns, someone mentioned tightening firearm handling policy to require a driver's license exchanged before handing over a weapon, which would also be trigger-locked.

As a 20+year employee of Home Depot, I can tell you that thieves have gotten more and more brazen. We put things like generators in the overhead to prevent grab-and-go thefts. But it's hard to secure everything when so many are inclined to steal. Remember, that many of these folks are addicts and not stable individuals. Sales associates are not armed, trained or ex-Marines, for the most part, so policy needs to protect people over merchandise, while trying to safeguard the product as well as possible.

That said, the particular case of the Academy manager -- I believe -- should have been handled as a case-by-case situation in his favor for securing the greater good of the public, above and beyond store policy. Most policy is written to say that so-and-so MAY lead to termination, not that it SHALL require termination.
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Old 07-12-2018, 06:41 PM   #61
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That said, the particular case of the Academy manager -- I believe -- should have been handled as a case-by-case situation in his favor for securing the greater good of the public, above and beyond store policy. Most policy is written to say that so-and-so MAY lead to termination, not that it SHALL require termination.

Yep that is my complaint. I understand the policy and understand he would be reprimanded. But in this case termination was way beyond what should have happened. Looking at all the online chatter I'm sure Academy wishes they had handled it different. Heck the manager that was fired still wants to go back to work for Academy.
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Old 07-12-2018, 07:59 PM   #62
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There you go. That's the issue: employee life and safety is more important than merchandise. As far as guns, someone mentioned tightening firearm handling policy to require a driver's license exchanged before handing over a weapon, which would also be trigger-locked.

As a 20+year employee of Home Depot, I can tell you that thieves have gotten more and more brazen. We put things like generators in the overhead to prevent grab-and-go thefts. But it's hard to secure everything when so many are inclined to steal. Remember, that many of these folks are addicts and not stable individuals. Sales associates are not armed, trained or ex-Marines, for the most part, so policy needs to protect people over merchandise, while trying to safeguard the product as well as possible.

That said, the particular case of the Academy manager -- I believe -- should have been handled as a case-by-case situation in his favor for securing the greater good of the public, above and beyond store policy. Most policy is written to say that so-and-so MAY lead to termination, not that it SHALL require termination.
The Home Depot robbery i saw yesterday was at 1:00 PM. Full parking lot.
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Old 07-12-2018, 10:21 PM   #63
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I've heard Wallyworld has the same policy
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Old 07-13-2018, 03:59 PM   #64
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Well Academy did the right thing and hired the guy back.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:30 PM   #65
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Well Academy did the right thing and hired the guy back.
Lawsuits go both ways. We live in a frivolous world.
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Old 07-13-2018, 04:54 PM   #66
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Looks like Academy made it right. Good deal.
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Old 07-13-2018, 05:29 PM   #67
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Glad to see the correction from the top in this case.
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Old 07-13-2018, 06:58 PM   #68
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Yep. Manager has been rehired.
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