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Old 07-03-2018, 09:07 AM   #1
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I can't think of many things more terrifying than being trapped deep in a flooded cave. I sure hope they can find a way to get them out. They are two miles from the entrance and none of them can swim much less use scuba gear. Apparently there are spots that are so tight the divers had to take off their tanks to squeeze through. It's the rainy season and the water may keep rising...

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Old 07-03-2018, 09:11 AM   #2
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Yup that'd be absolutely terrifying.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:11 AM   #3
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Pretty Unbelievable!
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:12 AM   #4
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heard they will be there four months
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:13 AM   #5
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That would be zero fun!
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:33 AM   #6
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Me and that coach would be a having a serious heart to heart when they get out. How did they manage to get down that far?
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:37 AM   #7
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I read that they were gonna try and teach them how to dive/use the gear to get them out.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:39 AM   #8
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Me and that coach would be a having a serious heart to heart when they get out. How did they manage to get down that far?
If I understand correctly they had gone in a ways and the water rose behind them leaving them trapped. As the water rose they had to go further and further in to find high ground.
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:44 AM   #9
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When miners get trapped they dig a new hole straight down to them and get them out. Takes a lot less than 4 months. Is this not an option here?

If they know the layout then they should be able to dig a relief hole close enough to get to them without flooding them out.

Bruce Willis can dig a hole 600 ft deep in space to save the world. Why not now?
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Old 07-03-2018, 09:53 AM   #10
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Note to self: above ground is just fine
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That makes me sick to my stomach. I can't think of a worse way to go then being trapped in a cave filling up with water.....
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:13 AM   #12
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I read that they were gonna try and teach them how to dive/use the gear to get them out.
Makes sense. Mask, fins, small bottle, and a regulator would be all that is needed. I don't see more than a 10min swim/dive at a time.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:20 AM   #13
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Seems like enlarging some of the tight spots along the passageway out might take less time than digging 1/2 mile down.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:48 AM   #14
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Seems like enlarging some of the tight spots along the passageway out might take less time than digging 1/2 mile down.
That would be a big risk. Could cause a big cave in that would block the exit and/or dam up the underground river and cause the water to fill up the cave before they could dig it out.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:53 AM   #15
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Holy hell...I'm not claustrophobic that I know of but I felt like I could be after reading that.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:57 AM   #16
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I would think two divers should be able to swim one at a time out if the can just teach them to breathe from a scuba tank.
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Old 07-03-2018, 10:59 AM   #17
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I thought being an MRI tube touching the sides was bad. I will praying for these folks, that is scary stuff.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:05 AM   #18
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It has to be pitch black dark in there too, right? What have they been eating?

Cant imagine teaching somebody to dive in those conditions, much less swim. Why not just run an air hose down there or something like this?

At some time the coach had to think heading further into the cave was not a great idea.

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Old 07-03-2018, 11:13 AM   #19
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It has to be pitch black dark in there too, right? What have they been eating?



Cant imagine teaching somebody to dive in those conditions, much less swim. Why not just run an air hose down there or something like this?



At some time the coach had to think heading further into the cave was not a great idea.



https://www.spotmydive.com/en/news/s...the-underwater


Divers went in and located them as well as distributed 4 months worth of rations and medical supplies.
A long air line would be risky as its a little more than 3 miles (according to the diagram in OP’s post) from the entrance of the cave. They went in, got trapped by rising water and had no other choice but to push further in. Its so tight in places, the divers had to remove their gear to get through.

I think the tunnel plan from above may be their best chance as long as there is still access via trained divers and medical.


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Old 07-03-2018, 11:17 AM   #20
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Crazy story! They have some of the best ******es from around the world on site helping to get them out.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:22 AM   #21
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It wouldn't take me long to learn how to operate scuba gear if it meant getting my *** out of an underwater cave…


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Old 07-03-2018, 11:29 AM   #22
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They were in the wrong place at the wrong time for sure. I am extremely claustrophobic so I have been following along morbidly. Some might blame the coach for being a tardo but seeing the flash floods here in TX you can see how it can go bad in a few seconds.

I just don't get how they came up with the 4 months before rescue.

I googled trapped miners and they usually make it out in a month or so. I get that they have the capability to dig faster than most but 4 months seems pretty extreme.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:37 AM   #23
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I can't even imagine this. I think the likelihood of a kid panicking halfway through with little scuba training is a huge concern.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:38 AM   #24
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4 months gets them out of the rainy season.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:41 AM   #25
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:41 AM   #26
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:44 AM   #27
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They say the problem is water continues to rise and heavy rain is expected in the next couple of days to increase the water.
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4 months gets them out of the rainy season.
Yea but what if the cave floods and they all die in those 4 months?

I guess we will see what they come up with.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:50 AM   #29
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You aint Kidding. I'm claustrophobic and this would be a nighmare for me. That being said my ARSE wouldn't be going into a cave especially during any rainy season.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:50 AM   #30
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if they can get them food and rations, they can get them out with scuba. apparently there is a current in some of the water?!

i'm sure they brought them some lights. wonder if they had any batteries left in their lights when they were found. that's enough to make anyone go crazy in the pitch dark.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:52 AM   #31
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Seems to me that oxygen levels in the cave would be a concern. I couldn't imagine being stuck in there for 4 days, much less 4 months. Hopefully they can figure something out soon. But I'm glad that they at least found them, and found them alive at that.
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Old 07-03-2018, 11:54 AM   #32
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:00 PM   #33
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They need that guy that rescued those Chilean miners in 2010.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:02 PM   #34
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if they can get them food and rations, they can get them out with scuba. apparently there is a current in some of the water?!

i'm sure they brought them some lights. wonder if they had any batteries left in their lights when they were found. that's enough to make anyone go crazy in the pitch dark.
Apparently there are some areas that are so narrow the divers have to remove their tanks from their back to get through the narrow openings. Add in the darkness and muddy water and that could lead to a big disaster trying to get the kids out. Hopefully they can figure out a quick solution.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:06 PM   #35
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I'm always amazed by the amount of people in the world that don't know how to swim. If they were decent swimmers or at least comfortable in the water,
teaching them the necessary SCUBA skills could be done in less than an hour.

They need to be able to:

1) Purge a regulator (as hard as pressing a button)
2) Clear their mask under water (look up and blow out your nose)
3) Breath from an octopus (breathing from a spare air house)
4) Not hold their breath while diving. (just keep breathing)

The rescue divers could help them along the way. In places where it is too tight to fit through, rescue diver's could be on either side with an octopus.

Unfortunately, since they have limited experience in the water, they won't be able to remain calm.

Hopefully they find a way.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:11 PM   #36
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The 4 month guess is if they had to wait out the rainy season. If you would read the articles written, they tell you the concerns.

Scuba is very risky for obvious reasons. 11-13 year old kids.

Digging a chute little more than half a mile is difficult because of the tiny cavern they are in. Its the equivalent of hitting a flea on a dogs back from 30 yards while blindfolded.
Its a tricky situation. Thai military personnel are training the kids to dive in case the water continues to rise. In the meantime, they have plenty of food and supplies to wait if that is what needs to be done.


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Old 07-03-2018, 12:30 PM   #37
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might be missing something in the story...but.... why not pump out the water?
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:34 PM   #38
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might be missing something in the story...but.... why not pump out the water?
The have been pumping. But the pumps aren't able to get ahead of the inflow. It's an underground river, not just a pool. The pumps brought the water level down less than 1 inch, and heavy rains are in the forecast.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:46 PM   #40
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They need that guy that rescued those Chilean miners in 2010.
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Watched the movie about it. They essentially drilled down with a 24-36" bit, lowered a tube and pulled them up via a round cage they could stand in. This is about the same depth.
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Old 07-03-2018, 12:58 PM   #42
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:26 PM   #43
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Caving diving is a lot harder to learn than open water(lake or ocean), in a cave if you panic there is nowhere to go up to the surface. Since 2 + miles in more than likely 1 scuba tank will not get them out. Average new diver can last less than 30 mins on a tank. Depending on the depth you would have to mix air you breath with more oxygen and have mutil. depression stops that could last mins to hours. You have to be in a good mental place to be able to swim with your body touching the cave walls, of you panic you will get stuck and no way to get help.
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Caving diving is a lot harder to learn than open water(lake or ocean), in a cave if you panic there is nowhere to go up to the surface. Since 2 + miles in more than likely 1 scuba tank will not get them out. Average new diver can last less than 30 mins on a tank. Depending on the depth you would have to mix air you breath with more oxygen and have mutil. depression stops that could last mins to hours. You have to be in a good mental place to be able to swim with your body touching the cave walls, of you panic you will get stuck and no way to get help.
From what I gather, a lot of it is not underwater, and most of it is not that tight.

Seems like a rope could be taken in to help pull them along the open sections and help guide them through the narrower ones. I'm sure they have mucho experts on hand that know more than me though.

I do know people don't give kids enough credit, they are a tough and resilient critter.
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I thought being an MRI tube touching the sides was bad. I will praying for these folks, that is scary stuff.
My MRI for my shoulder, stuffed headfirst down that tiny tube.
45 minutes liked to kill me.

4 months for these kids...
Terrifying.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:45 PM   #46
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I'm wondering if they would have 4 months of breathable oxygen in an underwater cave.
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Old 07-03-2018, 01:49 PM   #47
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I'm wondering if they would have 4 months of breathable oxygen in an underwater cave.
Pictures are showing a lot of heavy equipment.. more than I would have thought they would have in that region/area..
I think the fact that medical personnel are actually in the cave now with them.. and they are trying to get nourishment and nurse the boys back to health (very skinny/weak is the report i read).. is a good sign.. i think once the group is stronger they may attempt something..
water was only part of the issue, it appears mud and debris is actually what is blocking a lot of the passages and its ever changing with the rain/water...
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Old 07-03-2018, 02:06 PM   #48
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Caving diving is a lot harder to learn than open water(lake or ocean), in a cave if you panic there is nowhere to go up to the surface. Since 2 + miles in more than likely 1 scuba tank will not get them out. Average new diver can last less than 30 mins on a tank. Depending on the depth you would have to mix air you breath with more oxygen and have mutil. depression stops that could last mins to hours. You have to be in a good mental place to be able to swim with your body touching the cave walls, of you panic you will get stuck and no way to get help.
It is fairly common for even experienced cave divers to drown. I can imagine how disorienting it must be swimming in an enclosed tunnel in the dark especially when you can’t just follow your bubbles when something goes wrong - going up won’t save you.
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"I would like to tell you that now the boys have stayed inside there more than 10 days. They can stay healthy. They have doctors. For the air at that area, we take carbon-dioxide absorb substance which we have been using for our operation. So they are staying with good condition. So we don't have to rush ... We are trying to take care them and make them strong.” Chief to Thai Navy SEAL Rear Admiral Aphakorn Yoo-kongkaew said at the press conference Tuesday in Thailand.

Remember most of these kids cant swim.

A dark cave, isnt really the place I would like to learn. Not to mention the whole scuba part. And those scuba tanks wont exactly be light for a teenager...
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