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Old 01-23-2020, 09:17 PM   #1
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Got quoted today $13K installed for a 3 Ton Trane XR17 AC with XV80 Variable Speed Gas Furnace and Coil. Since I know nothing about this stuff I need a sanity check on the costs. It's a 2 story attic installation, Not tight quarters. Can the experts give some feedback ? It's the 1st quote..
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:21 PM   #2
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Sounds reasonable to me.mine was 11000 and the AC man owed me some favors.
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Old 01-23-2020, 09:23 PM   #3
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I bought a 5 ton XR17 same as air handler as you with all new duct work and new plenum last year. It was Around 11k. I used Oscar’s A/C out of Pasadena. I can get you a number if needed. They did a great job.
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Old 01-23-2020, 10:40 PM   #4
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Seems a little high, but really depends on what it comes with, warranties, etc.

For comparison, I just got home from selling a 3 ton 18 seer 2-stage heat/cool, variable blower horizontal gas system. Good filtration, UV, smart home package, duct cleaning, 10yr parts and labor, lifetime compressor warranty. $10,800.

Beat a competitor selling a similar system for $9k, but their install was pretty stripped down.
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Old 01-24-2020, 04:08 AM   #5
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Seems too high
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:46 AM   #6
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That is a little high by a lot. I just put in a new American Standard 16 SEER 4 ton heat pump and added two more cold air returns and retrofitted the duct work to eliminate sound conduction. This was necessary because the variable speed motors "sing" and will sound like a jet engine with hard ducting. My cost was $6300 to the contractor and we received a $375 incentive back from our electric provider. We do not have gas heat and don't want it. Not sure why anyone would want gas heat in south Texas. The heat pumps does a really good job until the temperature gets into the low twenties with wind.
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:34 AM   #7
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I do not do residential hvac but that sounds high to me.
Changed out a 3 ton heat pump split system for a relative last summer.....14 Seer, was somewhere around $2500 my cost


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Old 01-24-2020, 07:09 AM   #8
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I have replaced the two AC units in my house in last three years. Both 3 ton Lennox brands. Electric without heat pumps. First one was $6,500 and got a deal on the second for $5,800. 14 Seer and live in N. Texas.
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:19 AM   #9
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It’s on the high end IMO

You can probably get a similar system if not the same for around 10-11k.
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:26 AM   #10
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Thanks folks.. I so much appreciate your feedback..I have some more bids coming.
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Old 01-24-2020, 07:49 AM   #11
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You don't say if it's new construction or replacement. Has a big effect on cost.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:21 AM   #12
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This is what I paid 4 years ago.


3 ton 16.5 seer lennox elite heat pump system with
wifi icomfort thermostat. This price includes
replacing all flex duct work and adding 1 new duct
run and enlarging the duct in the master bedroom.
This equipment has a 10 year parts warranty and 1
year labor warranty 8,067.57
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:25 AM   #13
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I just asked my co worker who owns his own HVAC business on the side. He said you should be around 8,200.
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Old 01-24-2020, 08:33 AM   #14
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Got quoted today $13K installed for a 3 Ton Trane XR17 AC with XV80 Variable Speed Gas Furnace and Coil. Since I know nothing about this stuff I need a sanity check on the costs. It's a 2 story attic installation, Not tight quarters. Can the experts give some feedback ? It's the 1st quote..
True Variable Speed is expensive.
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:12 AM   #15
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We are building a new house and got a quote for a 14 seer 4 ton with a fresh air exchanger for $7,710.00
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Old 01-24-2020, 09:26 AM   #16
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That is because you are buying Trane equipment. Way overpriced. Get you an Amana line 2 stage system. ASXC18036 with a comfortbridge furnace. Make sure you register the equipment and you get a 10 year warranty.
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:56 AM   #17
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You don't say if it's new construction or replacement. Has a big effect on cost.
Replacement
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Old 01-24-2020, 10:59 AM   #18
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True Variable Speed is expensive.

Heck.. I'm not sure I even need a variable speed ?? Being that my current units are 28 yrs old, I'm sure variable speed was not even available then..My problem is I don't know squat about this stuff so it makes me a easy target. I am so greatful for the GS folks..
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Old 01-24-2020, 02:41 PM   #19
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Replaced our 5 ton system 2 years ago this month with a Carrier 14 seer system. Air handler is in the attic like yours , but kind of tight quarters, it was $6800.
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Old 01-24-2020, 03:54 PM   #20
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Seems a bit high. What is variable on the furnace, the fan, or the burner capacity?
2 kinds of fan motors are available in all furnaces today, ECM, which is a variable speed which is set up with dip switches and is the best and most efficient fan, and variable torque, which the has 4 speeds and is set up at startup.
Variable burner capacity means the fire modulates depending upon how much heat is needed. Two stage furnaces and single stage furnaces are available also. Variable capacity and fan speed being the most expensive.
Trane XL17 outdoor units are 2 stage up to 17.7seer. 14seer is the minimum that can be sold in Texas.

There are a lot of variables in system changeout prices that make it very hard to say whether it is too high or not. Ease of access, room to work, duct repairs and connections, filtration, humidification, and thermostat selection all figure in.

There is a lot of cost difference in a 14seer system and a 17+seer system, several thousand dollars.
I encourage people to weigh the price difference of a base system and a high efficiency system, and decide if there are enough energy savings to make it worth upgrading (most of the time there is). Only consider the difference in the base vs higher eff for energy payback, you are already buying the base system.
The increase in comfort level with the multistage and variable capacity systems have value also, you have to determine if it is worth it to you.

My advise, get bids on a base (14seer) system, a 16 - 17seer system, and a 20+seer
variable speed system. Good, better, best.

Remember, be comfortable with whomever does your install, so check out your contractors and select the best, you are spending a lot of money.
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Old 01-24-2020, 04:29 PM   #21
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seems pretty high. We put in a 16 seer trane heat pump in Sept and paid $7k
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Old 01-24-2020, 05:20 PM   #22
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Local busiest company tried to rape me, they get most the work without question, good to shop around.
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:00 PM   #23
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Seems a bit high. What is variable on the furnace, the fan, or the burner capacity?
2 kinds of fan motors are available in all furnaces today, ECM, which is a variable speed which is set up with dip switches and is the best and most efficient fan, and variable torque, which the has 4 speeds and is set up at startup.
Variable burner capacity means the fire modulates depending upon how much heat is needed. Two stage furnaces and single stage furnaces are available also. Variable capacity and fan speed being the most expensive.
Trane XL17 outdoor units are 2 stage up to 17.7seer. 14seer is the minimum that can be sold in Texas.

There are a lot of variables in system changeout prices that make it very hard to say whether it is too high or not. Ease of access, room to work, duct repairs and connections, filtration, humidification, and thermostat selection all figure in.

There is a lot of cost difference in a 14seer system and a 17+seer system, several thousand dollars.
I encourage people to weigh the price difference of a base system and a high efficiency system, and decide if there are enough energy savings to make it worth upgrading (most of the time there is). Only consider the difference in the base vs higher eff for energy payback, you are already buying the base system.
The increase in comfort level with the multistage and variable capacity systems have value also, you have to determine if it is worth it to you.

My advise, get bids on a base (14seer) system, a 16 - 17seer system, and a 20+seer
variable speed system. Good, better, best.

Remember, be comfortable with whomever does your install, so check out your contractors and select the best, you are spending a lot of money.
Variable speed is the fan ( if I understand correctly). Once is unit comes and gets stable is runs between 30 - 70 % based on the need. I'm told variable helps tighter regulate humidity. Again, if I am understanding correctly..
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Old 01-24-2020, 06:05 PM   #24
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Got another bid today for 2.5/14seer American Standard $6744
and 2.5/16seer $8836. I got more bids coming. I can thank you enough for your help !!

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