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Old 08-19-2019, 07:58 AM   #1
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I've read every thread on here between these two guns. Would like to get a 2019 update between the two. What do y'all think? Seems like Marlin has worked out some of their issues since the Remington buyout, but the Henry's all seem solid. Seems about 100 dollar difference between the two.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:24 AM   #2
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Are you wanting to buy a brand new one or a used one?
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:36 AM   #3
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If brand new, Henry alllll the way
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:16 AM   #4
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Are you wanting to buy a brand new one or a used one?
I would be open to a used one.
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:28 AM   #5
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I have an "all-weather" version of the Henry. As a guy who leans toward the traditional I was a bit hesitant because of the tube feed on the Henry vs the side gate on the Marlin. However it took no time at all to get used to it and it is nice to be able to unload without levering-out all the rounds. It is a very solidly made rifle - fit/finish is excellent.
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:59 AM   #6
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Just my $.02 but I feel the 45-70 is a classic old round and it deserves a classic rifle.

The Henry is a modern abomination of a lever gun in my opinion. Please look at a Winchester 1886, Browning or Uberti clone as options. The 1895 Marlin over a Henry any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Just my $.02 but I feel the 45-70 is a classic old round and it deserves a classic rifle.

The Henry is a modern abomination of a lever gun in my opinion. Please look at a Winchester 1886, Browning or Uberti clone as options. The 1895 Marlin over a Henry any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Lol I like the design of the Marlin 1895 way better for sure. The quality and accuracy is my concern.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:41 AM   #8
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Find a like new JM 1895 and call it a day.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:45 AM   #9
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Lol I like the design of the Marlin 1895 way better for sure. The quality and accuracy is my concern.

The current Marlins seem to be fine. The Henry may be smoother, but the 1895 is a sturdier action. Tube fed is fine, but loading gate is better. Makes modifications and suppressing easier if you ever decide to.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:51 AM   #10
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I have several 1895 Marlins of different configurations. The newest one is a 1895 GBL, and it is a Remington manufactured gun. There have been zero issues with it, and it is the second most accurate lever gun I have ever owned, and I have owned/traded quite a few over the years. The Henry gets good reviews, also, but I wouldn't be afraid of a new Marlin.
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Old 08-19-2019, 10:58 AM   #11
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Thanks for the info guys. That Marlin is 599 at Academy. That's looking pretty good right now.
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:35 AM   #12
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I’d probably go with the marlin, especially if you can find a good used JM gun.

The lines of the Henry just look odd to me, and I’ve never been a fan of the tube load. Like, is this a big bore, or a .22??
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:42 AM   #13
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Personally, I haven’t been able to get on board with the new Marlins or the Henry. I’m sticking with the old JM stuff.
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Old 08-19-2019, 11:52 AM   #14
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I don’t want to get in anybody’s business, but there are a couple here that don’t meet the OP’s wishes....

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Old 08-19-2019, 11:56 AM   #15
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I have the Henry octagon barrel. Solid tack driver
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Old 08-19-2019, 12:00 PM   #16
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I've got the Henry, it's solid as can be. It's dead on at 100 yards.

Kicks like a mule.

I don't love the magazine design but it's historically accurate.

I think you can reload faster on the marlin.

But then again if I can't kill what I'm needing to kill with 5 rounds of .45-70 I may have other issues.
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Is there a big difference in quality between the Marlin GBL and the G?
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:38 PM   #18
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Is there a big difference in quality between the Marlin GBL and the G?
No. Just some added features on that the gbl.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:41 PM   #19
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I'm not sure there is a right answer. They both look good.
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Old 08-19-2019, 02:48 PM   #20
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No. Just some added features on that the gbl.
The GBL has the laminate which I'm not a fan of, but it does have a larger capacity, and a larger lever.
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Old 08-19-2019, 03:53 PM   #21
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I'm in the middle of the same debate for a .357 lever. Every Henry I've shot is solid and accurate, but the Marlins sure look good.
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Is the Henry trigger better than the new model Marlins?
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Old 08-19-2019, 07:53 PM   #23
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I’m a Marlin fan. There are more after markets for the Marlin also.
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:21 PM   #24
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Dry fire both from the prone. Buy the one that has ergonomics that instantly lock your rear grip, fore grip, cheek weld, and eye relief together to give you instant and repeatable Natural Point Of Aim.

To do this from the prone, establish good sight picture, good sight alignment, close eyes, breathe all in, all out, pause at bottom. Still on target? If yes, dry fire (note the feel of the trigger as it breaks). If not on target when you open your eyes, re-align to get good sight picture, good sight alignment, move your legs, hips, and body to make this happen. If one gun does this much easier than the other, buy that one.
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Dry fire both from the prone. Buy the one that has ergonomics that instantly lock your rear grip, fore grip, cheek weld, and eye relief together to give you instant and repeatable Natural Point Of Aim.

To do this from the prone, establish good sight picture, good sight alignment, close eyes, breathe all in, all out, pause at bottom. Still on target? If yes, dry fire (note the feel of the trigger as it breaks). If not on target when you open your eyes, re-align to get good sight picture, good sight alignment, move your legs, hips, and body to make this happen. If one gun does this much easier than the other, buy that one.
All this for a lever gun?
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Old 08-19-2019, 08:37 PM   #26
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Neither!! they kick like hell!

Had a JM stamp Marlin guide and sold it-- even after the 325gr gummies.

BUT- if you were to have one I think the Marlin big loop stainless laminate in the best offering out there!
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Just my $.02 but I feel the 45-70 is a classic old round and it deserves a classic rifle.

The Henry is a modern abomination of a lever gun in my opinion. Please look at a Winchester 1886, Browning or Uberti clone as options. The 1895 Marlin over a Henry any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Not sure if mentioned, but marlin has a new Dark series
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All this for a lever gun?
Yes. If your lever gun goes to Natural Point of Aim instantly when it's on your shoulder, you have a lever gun gets up on your cheek fast and hits where you look instantly, especially if your are swinging to follow a moving target close range in brush like a hog or coyote. If you can shoulder it fast and look over the barrel while swinging and still hit where you look, then you have a brush gun that works for you.
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I have a JM stamped marlin. It almost shoots 1 hole @ 100yds with factory 300gr Winchester. It kicks like a mule, I love it.
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Is the Henry trigger better than the new model Marlins?
No way. I have my share of Henry’s and each and every thousands of dollars worth the trigger was deplorable. I had to do my own trigger job. Its easy to do the Marlin trigger job too or replace it with a WWG trigger.

I cannot disagree with Bigdraw especially concerning either of the CB offerings from Marlin
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Old 08-19-2019, 09:26 PM   #31
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I have owned two Marlins in 45-70. One was ported guide gun, the other was 1895 CB. I still own the 1895 and made my own loads for it that are manageable and fun to shoot. 400 gr flat nose cast bullet and 25 grs AA-5744. I get 1280fps with that load and recoil is not bad.

I will probably draw some fire over this but the Guide Gun was no fun to shoot and a piece of garbage.
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I like my stainless Guide Gun. JM of course. The thing with the 45-70 is that it is just thumpy enough that most used rifles won’t have been shot much. If you find a used JM Marlin, that would be the one to get. It will only increase in value and will handle some heavy duty work.


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Dry fire both from the prone. Buy the one that has ergonomics that instantly lock your rear grip, fore grip, cheek weld, and eye relief together to give you instant and repeatable Natural Point Of Aim.

To do this from the prone, establish good sight picture, good sight alignment, close eyes, breathe all in, all out, pause at bottom. Still on target? If yes, dry fire (note the feel of the trigger as it breaks). If not on target when you open your eyes, re-align to get good sight picture, good sight alignment, move your legs, hips, and body to make this happen. If one gun does this much easier than the other, buy that one.
Yeah but natural point of aim doesn’t matter if you’re swinging your rifle across a pasture.....
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Yeah but natural point of aim doesn’t matter if you’re swinging your rifle across a pasture.....
I'd say that if the lever gun's ergonomics lends itself to create natural point of aim when you bring it to shoulder and swing quickly it like a well-fitted shotgun or a trad bow (ie gun hits where you look) buy that gun.

If you can't shoot natural point of aim slowly with a gun, you probably cannot shoot it NPA fast on a moving target. Then the questions become what is the definition of NPA and is it required to hit the target consistently when the target does not to be hit? That might be more important than cosmetics to some.

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This ^^^^
Not sure if mentioned, but marlin has a new Dark series
I actually like these for some reason and plan on getting a 336 at some point.
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Old 08-20-2019, 07:41 AM   #36
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Thanks for all the help guys. Think I'm going with a Marlin. Just have to find a nice used JM model now.
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I am only going to add that if you buy the marlin, either new or JM, look at the stock. I have never seen a worse example of "checkering" on any gun than on the Marlins and being a JM doesn't mean anything in this instance. I have been going to buy about 4 different 1895s, both new and JM models, and put them back because of the wood. And i am not expecting some masterful level of checkering, but when Mossberg's 464 can do it reasonably well, i think Marlin should be able to as well. Hell, the old press in checkering would look better than what they are doing now
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What accuracy should I expect out of a Marlin 1894 with an optic. Any guys achieving 1 MOA?
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How much price difference is between the henry and the marlin
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About 100 dollars give or take
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Where does Winchester fit between Marlin and Henry?
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Better than both in my opinion.
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Stronger, better looking, and about double the cost.
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Made in Japan and twice the price. Not that that's a bad thing. They are really nice rifles.
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Made in Japan and twice the price. Not that that's a bad thing. They are really nice rifles.
And don't forget , better wood and finished Twice As Nice :-)
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And don't forget , better wood and finished Twice As Nice :-)
100%. Some really nice stuff comes out of Japan and S. Korea.

For me the Winchesters aren't worth it since it's just gonna get beat up anyways. I like and appreciate pretty guns, but don't buy them.

If I were going to take that next step up, i'd probably look at Taylor's and Co. as well.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:31 AM   #47
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I buy guns to use hard. Not interested in spending more money for a better look and finish. That's why the Marlin is at the top of my list. I have a pre 64 Model 94 Winchester 30-30. I never use it, mainly because I'm always afraid I'm going to tear it up.

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Better go shoulder them Henry has a very specific clientele it hits. The comb is dropped and does not fit a lot of people. Including me, both are great guns. I love my Marlin 45/70.
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