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Old 08-21-2019, 03:42 PM   #1
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Anyone picked one up yet? Ran across some info about Winchester's new round, the 350 Legend. Seems like a pretty cool round. Supposed hits like a 30-30 but recoils less than a 243. Seen some kills out to 200 with it. I'm interested in looking into one for my kids
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never ever heard of it..


think itll be able to compete with 6.5 Grendel?
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Old 08-21-2019, 03:51 PM   #3
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think itll be able to compete with 6.5 Grendel?
In states that don’t allow bottle necked rounds for deer hunting like
Indiana and Ohio it will outsell the Grendel and should be the best AR platform rifle for them up there
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If I was going to build an AR-15 for hunting, that round would be on the short list. That said I have not scene one, but I like the looks of it
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I read a little about it. It sounds like it is pretty much a 357mag on steroids. Im definitely interested in it.
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Just got the American Rifleman in the mail today and it is featured on the cover. Havent read the article yet, but specs at 150 gr bullet @2318 fps and 1789 fpe.
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In states that don’t allow bottle necked rounds for deer hunting like

Indiana and Ohio it will outsell the Grendel and should be the best AR platform rifle for them up there
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Old 08-21-2019, 05:09 PM   #8
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My son was involved in field testing on hogs and said it hit hard and was very effective.
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Thought about it & went with the 450 Bushmaster. A little more oomph!
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:09 PM   #10
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I have been doing quite a bit of research on it and I’m going to wait a year or so to see if they come out in a lever action before I get an AR in it. I will get one in the end I would just rather have one in lever action first
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:37 PM   #11
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Funny how it is basically a 357 Maximum which is was one of the best silhouette rounds ever but us now obsolete. But put it in an AR and it is the best thing ever made.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:41 PM   #12
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Don't have any first hand experience...but it appears as if the Drury boys are using with success.
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Old 08-21-2019, 06:47 PM   #13
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It was meant to put the Bushmaster out of business, and it might, the Bushmaster ammo being fairly expensive and not easy to find in lots of places. I won’t be replacing my .450 anytime soon though, hell, I hardly shoot it any more. The 6.8 fills my hog killing needs.
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:52 PM   #14
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Will read the article tomorrow. A quick scan does not make me a fan. Will look harder tomorrow.

Huge 357 mag fan................
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Old 08-21-2019, 08:56 PM   #15
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It’s being peddled by “industry big names” so it will prob be a fad round if there is an ammo manufacturer that will support it whole heartedly.


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Old 08-22-2019, 07:40 AM   #16
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It was designed for the straight wall cartridge states. Winchester fumbled, as usual. They use a bullet diameter of .355, or 9mm, for the round. 357 or 358 would have made more sense, due to the wide availability of bullets in those sizes. Reloaders have found that trying to use the bigger diameter bullets may give you ammo that won't chamber. One thing that makes the round appealing to me is ammo cost. Ten bucks a box for fmj blasting ammo and $20 for 180 grain hunting ammo isn't bad. I just rebarreled a blackout AR that saw little use to one of these. Barrel and buy 2 mags, good to go. Will update when I get the chance to fire it.
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:42 AM   #17
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I have been doing quite a bit of research on it and I’m going to wait a year or so to see if they come out in a lever action before I get an AR in it. I will get one in the end I would just rather have one in lever action first
Why not get a 357?
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Old 08-22-2019, 08:57 AM   #18
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Why not get a 357?
I have a 45 lc lever action that fits that category it stays in my truck. 350 legend would just be a neat deal in a lever action
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Old 08-22-2019, 11:39 AM   #19
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I have been doing quite a bit of research on it and I’m going to wait a year or so to see if they come out in a lever action before I get an AR in it. I will get one in the end I would just rather have one in lever action first
Kinda doubt you will see it in a levergun unless it is a Browning BLR or Henry Long Ranger not positive but pressure is probably to hot for conventional lever guns
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Old 08-22-2019, 02:26 PM   #20
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Kinda doubt you will see it in a levergun unless it is a Browning BLR or Henry Long Ranger not positive but pressure is probably to hot for conventional lever guns
And it would have to be loaded with RN, HP or similar bullets, so you wouldn’t get the benefit of pointy bullets.
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:04 PM   #21
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I have been doing quite a bit of research on it and I’m going to wait a year or so to see if they come out in a lever action before I get an AR in it. I will get one in the end I would just rather have one in lever action first


Will make a **** fine lever gun


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Old 08-23-2019, 06:06 AM   #22
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“There's more fun in hunting with the handicap of the bow than there is in hunting with the sureness of the gun.” -Fred Bear-

I don’t disagree but what will it do that the old 35 Remington won’t do except maybe easier to find ammo and probably cheaper ammo?
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I don’t disagree but what will it do that the old 35 Remington won’t do except maybe easier to find ammo and probably cheaper ammo?


I agree with also 30-30 , 444 45/70. But In states that ONLY allow straight wall this will be good. Especially for a Women or a kid. Am I going to run out and buy one? No. Will I buy one if it comes out in a lever gun? I don’t know. I wish it took the .357 cal bullet. I have 1000s of bullets that I could reload in it.


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Read the whole article yesterday. I won't buy one but think it would be killer in E Texas in a lever gun................
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Indiana and Ohio it will outsell the Grendel and should be the best AR platform rifle for them up there
This. It was really targeted for the Midwest.
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Old 08-23-2019, 09:02 AM   #26
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I have a 45-70 and a 45 lc lever action but I don’t have a in between and so my “want” def outweighs my “need” for this caliber
It would just be something neat
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This. It was really targeted for the Midwest.
I agree
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It uses a .223 brass so ammo is going to be comparatively priced. I'm interested as well for my daughter to use.
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I have read most of the articles about it and will be building a building another AR for it, seems like a sweet little round.
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Funny how it is basically a 357 Maximum which is was one of the best silhouette rounds ever but us now obsolete. But put it in an AR and it is the best thing ever made.
Mad Max is a great hunting round if you reload, the old discontinued 180gr Nosler .357 partition in it is a deadly combination. When I run out of the partitions I might go to the 180gr Swift A-Frame.

I have a 14 inch 357 Max Contender barrel and a uger Super Blackhawk in the 357 Max. Secrete to not getting the flame cutting on the topstrap is use an extruded powder like AA5744 you lose a little velocity compared to H110 but it will be kinder to revolvers
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How long have barrels been commercially available?

Is ammo commercially available yet?

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Is ammo commercially available yet?

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Idk, lets ask google


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What’s the advantage of it over .358socom which has a huge bullet variety
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What’s the advantage of it over .358socom which has a huge bullet variety


Lighter recoil and Ammo cost I suppose.

If it is built around a .355” Bullet instead of .357” then that’s a huge fail.


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Lighter recoil and Ammo cost I suppose.

If it is built around a .355” Bullet instead of .357” then that’s a huge fail.


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Yeah... maybe they’ll realize their mistake and make it worthwhile. I’m kind of interested in it.
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With the 30-30 edging out the Legend in both velocity and energy (Winchester data for legend and wikkipedia for 30-30) then throw in BC for .30 vs .355 bullets of the same weight, I think I will keep my Marlin. But then I'm not hunting in a straightwall state. BUT.... another AR may be in the works!
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Unless I was restricted to using straight wall cartridges for hunting by the state, I can't see it. It was made to fit 2 criteria, 1 straight wall, 2 AR platform compatibility. I'd prefer the Grendel over it for whitetail and hogs, and the 450 Bushmaster, .50 Beowulf, or better yet, the .458 Socom if more horsepower is desired from the AR platform. I'm sure it will work as intended, though.
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I had contempt for the round since the first false advertising of “the fastest straight wall cartridge”.

If you have to lie out of the starting gate...
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I had contempt for the round since the first false advertising of “the fastest straight wall cartridge”.

If you have to lie out of the starting gate...
Lol. Leupold just made an announcement on facebook for a scope that pairs with the round.

#CustomShop Exclusive: Get your hands on this limited-run VX-3i 2.5-8x36 tuned specifically for the 350 Legend - the world’s fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge.

Custom modifications include a ballistically calibrated dial, integrated throw lever, and sniper grey or burnt bronze cerakote - available only through the Leupold Custom Shop. Visit www.Leupold.com to learn more or call 1-888-629-4811 to order now.

#LeupoldCustomShop #LeupoldCore #350Legend
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Lol. Leupold just made an announcement on facebook for a scope that pairs with the round.

#CustomShop Exclusive: Get your hands on this limited-run VX-3i 2.5-8x36 tuned specifically for the 350 Legend - the world’s fastest straight-walled hunting cartridge.

Custom modifications include a ballistically calibrated dial, integrated throw lever, and sniper grey or burnt bronze cerakote - available only through the Leupold Custom Shop. Visit www.Leupold.com to learn more or call 1-888-629-4811 to order now.

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That's proof it's a gimmick cartridge and they're teaming up to fleece us all out of our money (and I'm a Leupold fan)
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I had contempt for the round since the first false advertising of “the fastest straight wall cartridge”.

If you have to lie out of the starting gate...
What’s faster?

In 10 minutes of looking and guessing, it seems as though the Legend will run a 125 at 2600.

The only two I saw that were any better was a ruger No1. 45-70 load and a 45 Raptor load with 180’s, neither of which are exactly off-the-shelf offerings.
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Lighter recoil and Ammo cost I suppose.

If it is built around a .355” Bullet instead of .357” then that’s a huge fail.


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I haven’t grabbed the recent American rifleman from my dad yet so I’m just curious on it. I have a couple stripped lowers that I’m planning on building out over the next couple months. One is a 6.5grendel and one I wanted to go for one of the big bore ar15s for no reason other than having one. I thought I had settled on the Socom but if it packs the same punch and is cheaper I’m interested


But I also just saw my previous post and that I had fat fingered it and meant to type .458socom, didn’t mean to compare it with the .357socom which I have no interest in buying

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Your research wasn’t to extensive. Heck, a factory 180gr Rem 44 mag will do 2250 from a rifle barrel and its a dumpy pistol cartridge. Everybody forgot the 35 Whelen? I feel sorry the 35 Rem never got this kinda factory love. Again we see the caliber lobbyists and ammo companies determine a caliber’s success.

Lets do a green apple to crab apple comparison

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021112257

Why anyone would want a 35 caliber 125gr I don’t know. We can find some factory hot rod ammo to manipulate advertising gimmicks concerning straight wall https://www.underwoodammo.com/collec...18785711652921

I think the appeal is the weapons chambered for it. There was no reason for marketing to straight out lie about it. I guess its like Joe Biden says “lets not believe facts over truth”. These days truth is whatever they can get away with. Me, I’ll just continue to laugh.

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What’s faster?

In 10 minutes of looking and guessing, it seems as though the Legend will run a 125 at 2600.

The only two I saw that were any better was a ruger No1. 45-70 load and a 45 Raptor load with 180’s, neither of which are exactly off-the-shelf offerings.

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Your research wasn’t to extensive. Heck, a factory 180gr Rem 44 mag will do 2250 from a rifle barrel. Everybody forgot the 35 Whelen?

Lets do a green apple to red apple comparison

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1021112257

Why anyone would want a 35 caliber 125gr I don’t know. We can find some factory hot rod ammo to manipulate advertising gimmicks concerning straight wall https://www.underwoodammo.com/collec...18785711652921

I think the appeal is the weapons chambered for it. There was no reason for marketing to straight out lie about it.
35 wheelen isn’t straightwall, so I’m not sure *** it is in this discussion.

If you’ll find me a 44 mag load that will do 2600, I’ll buy you a steak dinner. I never said a 125 at 2600 was the best performer on deer this world has ever seen—just that 2600 is more than 2200. I know math is hard for some people.


Like I said before, the stuff I was looking at and comparing are typical hunting rounds that the average retard in Indiana can buy at Walmart. You will also notice in my previous post that I mentioned two loadings that aforementioned retard in Indiana is not likely to even know exist.

I don’t own a 350, might own one in the future, so I don’t really have a dog in this fight. Gucci ammo will always find a niche that factories won’t produce, to the tune of $3 a round.

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I know math is hard for some folk cowboy and so is reading comprehension , I just showed you a 220gr Straight walled 444 factory round rated at 2660. Buffalo Bore nor Underwood are “Gucci” anymore.

I did accidentally put Whelen in place of Remington though...my mistake. I compared the 44 180gr with the 350 “Legend in its own mind” 180gr for my entertainment purposes. I think the fastest factory non-frangible 44 Mag load I’ve seen from a rifle clocked 2335 and was 160gr, maybe if someone shaved it to 125gr it would compete with the “Legend” Hype.

The advertising is straight up hype. Shoulda read “fastest straight wall for the AR platform”

I don’t have a dog in this fight either, and won’t, just laughs.

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I know math is hard for some folk cowboy and so is reading comprehension , I just showed you a 220gr Straight walled 444 factory round rated at 2660. Buffalo Bore nor Underwood are “Gucci” anymore.

I did accidentally put Whelen in place of Remington though...my mistake.

The advertising is straight up hype. Shoulda read “fastest straight wall for the AR platform”

I don’t have a dog in this fight either, and won’t, just laughs.
Yeah.. still not straightwall.

And if you can’t find it stocked in the store at Walmart, academy, cabellas, bps or in regular gun shop, it’s gonna be a Gucci or boutique offering IMO. This includes the hot 45-70 loads and the 45 raptor.
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I’m drinking too much.

Good thang I stick to Big Bores.

Bottom line, 350 L not the fastest Straight wall cartridge most especially where weight and Diameter is concerned and the companies concerned are flat out liars.

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Old 08-26-2019, 11:29 PM   #49
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I’m drinking too much.

Good thang I stick to Big Bores.

Bottom line, 350 L not the fastest Straight wall cartridge most especially where weight and Diameter is concerned and the companies concerned are flat out liars.
I’ll concede to some of that. I prefer “fuzzy math”
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Old 08-27-2019, 08:23 AM   #50
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Hey, I’m not a caliber hater. My contempt is mainly toward the marketing and the campaigns by Ammo companies for or against a caliber’s success.
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